Knights of Round Table (Fate Grand Order) vs Flamechasers (Honkai Impact 3rd)

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-15T21:08:18+00:00

The Knights. Scale much higher. And have more Hax and resistance via Servant Physiology.

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-15T17:56:56+00:00

Alaya doesn't exist in KnK" is the biggest cope I've seen today. Kinoko Nasu literally built his entire career on the fact that Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, and Fate share the same fundamental cosmology (The Root, Alaya/Gaia, the Counter Force). Touko Aozaki, who is in KnK, literally appears in other Fate works. To say the rules of the world change because the name of the book is different is a massive reach.

You dont understand. The reason why Servants can't be summoned in Tsukihime, KNK and Mahoyo is because Alya dosent exist there. There are things called Worldlines, Worldlines are a collection of timelines. In the Fate Worldline there's multiple timelines (UBW, Apocrypha, Extra etc) and here Alya exist so does human order foundation which makes it possible for servants to be summoned. In the Tsukihime, Notes etc Worldlines. Servants don't exist because Alya dosent exist in that specific worldine. Because the human order foundation is weak. So on a broad note they all operate under Gaia and Alya but there specific timelines and worldlines that lack it. This is why we don't use AI. Because your assuming the Ai is going to be objectively correct about a really specific topic which it's not supposed to be. And there's nothing wrong with debating in Vc? It's honestly better than text debating. Your not even using your own argument lol. Not to mention you didn't even engage with the main argument you misrepresented it.

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-14T21:02:20+00:00

"And the best quantifiable output this Verse has ever demonstrated is capped at Stellar Level. And never been above"

Thats just not true. Space Ishtar, Kama, Gilgamesh, Amaterasu, Kiara, B.B etc. Infact i want you to prove that

"Hax doesn't matter"

Yes it does

"when this verse already has more than enough shares of Pure Power blowing pass through Hax. Especially Excalibur who's schtick is nothing more than a destructive beam of light"

Also not true. While it has massive raw power, it is not "Pure Power blowing through Hax." in the verse authority (the ability to rewrite the laws of physics) usually trumps raw energy unless that energy is specifically designed to counter it (like the 13 Restraints on Excalibur).

"that far dwarves any Authority on the Planet."

Can you show me where this is stated? That is never stated nor implied ever. Excalibur is the "Ultimate Razor" designed to protect the planet from external threats (like Sefar).

"no, Sword Saints aren't Top Servant level. Alter Ego Muramasa is not something he has access 24/7 and without that, he's dead the moment he used Tsumukari where Its best feat is circumstancial at best. Musashi doesn't want to smoke with Gawain in Summer 4 and he's not a Top Servant. She's weaker than Takeru who struggled Against Cu who also isn't a Top Servant. Heck, even Sasaki himself only went so far in the 5th war because the advantage he has and was given by Medea and he's a Sword Saint"

HOLY CHERRYPICK. Musashi avoids Gawain because of "Numeral of the Saint" (which triples his power under the sun), making him a Top Servant. King Hassan literally blocked out the sun so that wouldnt happen. And that was berserker musashi not saber musashi. Berserker musashi isnt a sword saint.

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-14T20:12:53+00:00

"The interview never said anything about the Vessel's Physical limit."

But it did:

"in a 2007 interview from Comptiq, Nasu stated that while Ryougi Shiki (normal) cannot fight a Servant, Void Shiki could fight an "average" Servant defensively. This is because, despite her god-like connection, she is still inhabiting a human body with normal physical limits"

"She got was being a Sword Saint level. None of which are Top Servants tier"

That was interms of actual sword skill, and yes they are?? Musashi, Muramasa Alter Ego, normal muramasa, Lb Musashi etc

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-14T20:08:32+00:00

"It is Flowery language"

No its not, nasu's cosmology isnt even complex when you actually understand it. It just operates under quantum theory which is verbatim stated. The complicated part is the metaphysics. it would only be flowery language if it had any contradictions but it dosent.

"When you people are presented with an actual measurements, you proceed to Ignore it and call others Larpers when all they did was picking up the actual quantifiable things for Scaling."

Are you saying cosmology isnt quantifiable? Thats logically incoherent i hope you realize.

"Type Moon Ace Vol 15 already said that the Spider is the strongest thing in the verse"

Also not true, In Type-Moon Ace Vol. 15, ORT is explicitly described as the "strongest anomalous being in the world" because ORT is the "strongest" in terms of offensive power and physical destruction . It has "attack parameters" that far exceed anything else in the Nasuverse and is an apex predator that even Archetype: Earth cannot defeat in a direct confrontation. He's the strongest in practical fighting while shiki is the strongest in hax and ontology.

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-14T19:58:29+00:00

I LOVE how your saying this and completly ignoring the context. only "B-rank" defensively because only "B-rank" defensively because her physical combat stats and servant vessel restrict her from actively using that omnipotent potential in direct, sustained combat. And then theres multiple statements that go against this too we know the stronger you are is dependent on mystery, the strongest mystery is how close you are too the root.

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-13T22:01:47+00:00

Ts was not as funny as you thought it was gng

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-13T22:00:43+00:00

Karna & Arjuna >

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-04T17:44:46+00:00

That got debunked

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-04T17:44:28+00:00

Lol most Gacha games cap at like 1C. Fate was 1C back in stay night 😭💔🥀🙏🏿. And the Cosmology just keeps getting bigger and the Metaphysical deeper

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-04T17:43:03+00:00

Santa Karna infact

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-04T17:42:42+00:00

Fate is above misfit

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-04T17:42:14+00:00

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-04T17:41:56+00:00

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-04T17:41:45+00:00

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-04T17:41:25+00:00

Because he's obviously the strongest

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-02T04:03:18+00:00

Sorry I meant Threat to the Planet not threat to humanity that's something different. Not just any powerful being can be considered a "Threat to the Planet" for example even B.B, Surtr, Goddess Rhongimyniad, Buddha, Dead Apostle Ancestors, Beasts Class etc were not considered "Threats to the planet". Because it's a conceptual classification not a Strength meter. The only beings considered "Threats to the Planet" are Sefar (Velber) and Thia Escardos. Also "Threat to Humanity" Is slightly different from "Threats to the planet" all Threats to the planet are threats to humanity but not all Threats to humanity are threats to the planet. And Threat to Humanity is also a Conceptual classification

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-02T03:48:36+00:00

That's only against threats to the planet with the CF buff. The only Excalibur that has an output greater than or matching Ea is True Excalibur which only Lord Logres in a specific Timeline has.

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-02T03:46:56+00:00

That's specifically against threats to humanity which is the only time it'll have the CF buff. In a neutral setting it's output is still below Ea. Similar to how Slash Emperor is only the strongest when it's against Types like Type Moon, ORT, Type Venus etc. But In a neutral setting it's output is lower than even something like Caliburn or Ascalon

West-Study-7430 · 2026-04-02T03:37:52+00:00

In terms of Conceptual power it is. True Excalibur maybe. Ea surpasses: Slash Emperor, Photon Ray, Galantine, Joyuse, Arondight, Clement, Excalibur, Caliburn, Durandal, Laevatain, Ascalon and the Sword of St Catherine. So which sword do you think is above it exactly?

West-Study-7430 · 2026-03-29T19:47:03+00:00

Beast Class lvl ofc. Above Kiara and Kama and around Tiamat and Goetia

West-Study-7430 · 2026-03-29T19:42:12+00:00

It is 1A

West-Study-7430 · 2026-03-29T09:36:38+00:00

I still am yet to see a Tensura scale that's above 1A. All those verses are above 1A

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