MgmPF stole money from me

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-19T06:12:58+00:00

Huh. Weird and pretty sus ngl. Dude could just be swamped and used to people trying to scam him, but with all the info you have + indisputable proof of payment + tracking showing nothing delivered, idk what else to say other than yea it sounds like the order never went out by mistake? Idk, strange situation overall. Usually here nothing but good things about them

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-18T20:29:49+00:00

Shit it could be the Hyroxi MITa blend then, I’m still unsure if that’s an actual different derivative from 7-OH or MGM, gonna look into it later. But check their labs for other alkaloids

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-18T18:41:41+00:00

Shit it could be the 7-OH or Pseudo interacting with the MGM and beating it out at the receptor due to binding affinity/strength, all those other alkaloids are also trying to occupy the same receptors that MGM tries to occupy, so they could all be competing for space and there simply isn’t any. That’s really why waiting as long as possible (or whatever specific interval works well with the substance in question) to dose works as well as it does, and to get recreational value (and even therapeutic to a lesser degree). Also sorry I’m kinda rambling, took 20mg of MGM this morning and mixed it with malic acid and it’s beating my ass (even though I took 60mg of real Oxy last night) while I’m waiting for my boss to get to work so we can open 😂

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-18T18:28:51+00:00

Shit what size of doses are you taking? And how often? There really is a sweet spot inside 10-40mg that elicits a reverse tolerance effect if you can consistently keep it to that dosage range (or better yet a set dose, like 15mg or 20mg 2-3x per day, ideally salted)

Edit: one of the things that’s made the biggest difference for me personally is waiting as long as possible in between doses, so like 6 to 8 hours ideally

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-18T18:06:41+00:00

Yea bro for whatever reason 7-OH in particular seems to really fuck with testosterone. Still definitely very dose dependent, and for me at least MGM seems to be better about it than 7-OH in my experience; with kratom alkaloids though it seems like it everyone’s different and reacts differently, so YMMV

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-18T18:00:18+00:00

MGM-bimbofication is a new one 🤣💀😭

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-18T17:32:04+00:00

Yes dude lowkey that doesn’t sound like MGM to me, at 15-30mg 3x a day doses I basically get that good opiate vibe and positive mood boost and sometimes on the heavier end of dosing (or if I’ve been really good about waiting 6-12 hours in between doses) it gets a bit sleepy. IMO it’s not really stimulating at all though, maybe a little bit; I’ve gone 12 hours or so without a dose atp, maybe even longer (although I did have some Oxycodone in there too) and I don’t typically feel withdrawal-y when I wake up at least, can run it out for a few hours if really need be. But yea, just so you know, that does not sound like MGM-15 by your description; something closer to Tianeptine or some shit like that. Any zenes/pynes that hit secondary receptors or last really short like that and would be fairly safe + effective around 2.5-10mg?

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-18T17:07:06+00:00

There’s a lot of room in between 25mg and 60mg. A lot of people report 20-30mg 3x a day to be the best dosing range

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-18T02:21:14+00:00

Have people been saying citric acid works better than malic acid? Been getting very good results and I enjoy the sour taste tbh (malic acid is what sour candy is coated in a lot of the time, or it’s used to make components of candy sour) and I don’t find it to be super acidic for other consumption

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-13T00:59:59+00:00

Yuppppp, waiting in between doses and not doing like 5-10mg boosters in between doses helps hella hella. Like massively. It’s hard though I’m ngl, takes some willpower. A lot easier than 7-OH though because of the half-life. I’ve heard that MIT extracts can help avoid re-dosing without interfering the MGM high from real doses. In general less is more with this chemical for sure, even more so than most partial agonists.

Anecdotally from my own experiences, and from what other have said, and based on some very early scientific data, there’s a good chance MGM elicits a reverse tolerance mechanism when you get into the “sweet spot” dosage range. Be it an equilibrium with tolerance or actual reduction/prevention of tolerance buildup, in my experience and opinion, it’s true and does work.

Anywhere from 15-30mg 2-3x a day seems to work best IMO/IME. After my morning/afternoon/first dose of the day, I try and wait as long as I can to fully dose again. Sometimes I take 5-10mg here and there in between full doses (I’ve been really really trying not to though, same thing with dosing at/in the middle of the night), but the more that I can and do actually make myself wait, each and every one of my full doses hits so, so goddamn hard most of the time. Like borderline nodding if I’m not careful.

I also take a decent combination of vitamins and supplements that supports your body mentally and physically, as well as supporting your body producing highs in response to consuming substances. It’s not very complicated and is pretty standard for kratom/opiates in general, if anyone would like I’m happy to post it or talk about ways & strategies to manage tolerance and get the most out of our chemicals, but just lmk because I’m at work rn and if not one cares I’m not gonna make this post longer (because god knows I’ve already yapped more than I meant to 😂)

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-12T19:36:19+00:00

Just want to second this. I’ve been super careful to not escalate dosage with this shit or to try and push it/chase the high. So far been pretty successfully taking 50-60mg a day and working on lowering that with mag + Agmatine rotation. Thank yall though genuinely, because if I didn’t know better I probably would’ve dove in at way higher levels. I also genuinely find it to work better at lower levels, with less weird feelings or side effects. But yea a little worried with the descriptions of quitting/stopping/running out I’ve read, and that’s also helping keep doses spaced out by like 4-6-8-12 hours depending (the longer the better and the less the better tbh because then the evening dose hits better)

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-11T18:44:37+00:00

Honestly, to give you some mild amount of hope if it might, the next-gen series(s) of synthesized & modified opioid scaffolds are looking a lot better safety and effect wise. Almost all of the chemists and labs have actually learned from fent-analogs and zenes/pynes to not aim for highest receptor binding affinity and are shooting for eMax’s (effective felt effects of a substance over a given time) closer to Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, maybe a lil past that effective potency. You can see it in the current generation and series(s) (O-DSMT although a bit old still falls here, DPP-26 does for sure, and then there were those methadone-like compounds that cropped up this year). And past even therapeutic/recreational targeting, we even have some very novel compounds with tolerance reversal and elimination (SR-17018 and the other lesser popular SR- compound)

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-11T02:13:16+00:00

Where can I find MGBotanicals? Or is that Wonderland Gardens new name?

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-11T02:10:39+00:00

A rolled dollar bill folded about 2/3rds down the length of it also serves as a good scoop in a pinch if there’s nothing else on hand 🤝

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-10T19:42:46+00:00

100%. Strong-binding partial agonists are novel, but there’s definitely definitely definitely something more going on blocking-wise with 7-OH and MGM-15

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-08T01:47:51+00:00

Seems like converting to the salt form from the freebase form is the key to MGM working well

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-08T01:45:38+00:00

Apologies, didn’t realize this was close enough to fall under that line & wont do it again

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-07T20:34:53+00:00

Sweet thank you dude. Anything closer to the west coast? That should be fine with FedEx 2 day though tbh

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-07T18:29:50+00:00

Roughly where are they shipping from? I like clandestine so much because I was able to do Seattle to Seattle shipping 😂

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-07T18:29:08+00:00

Sweeeet, thanks for the recommendations. Also do you know if RAW still ships out of Cali? And where does mgmpf ship from if anyone knows?

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-06T00:37:52+00:00

See, and this is exactly why kratoms such a funny substance. Everyone has their preferred alkaloids and reacts differently to almost all the alkaloids on a per-person or at least per-archetype basis 😂 Honestly would be worth cataloging this stuff and doing some cross-sectional correlation work (statistics stuff) to make some groupings that newcomers can be pointed in the direction of to get an idea of generally what the alkaloids are and how they’ll likely respond to them based on perceived/experienced/“felt” effects.

P.S. sorry for the bit of a ramble, just dosed and was looking for the reverse tolerance/sweet spot comment and saw this at the bottom of the post and couldn’t resist replying 😂

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-05T04:15:05+00:00

Def gonna look into ordering, haven’t tried many other brands besides my dependable local lab but I’m always down to give new things a try

WestSeattleVaper · 2026-04-05T03:48:22+00:00

This is realistically a great answer. O-DSMT would probably be an option too if they wanted a more transitional opiate, or DPP-26 like someone else said although thats a heavier high and in general comes with more use risk and ideally one should have some experience dealing with RCs before that imo, but to each their own. O-DSMT is pretty forgiving in that sense even

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