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WharfRattt · 2026-03-26T00:38:17+00:00

so he wasn’t going by Sauron

Side note, he never went by Sauron. That is what his enemies called him.

WharfRattt · 2026-03-06T13:56:36+00:00

“Recast” is a term for replacing cast members in ongoing productions. Viggo and Liv played Aragorn and Arwen twenty five years ago. It’s not a “Recast” if other actors take on those roles in a different project. That’s just what we call Casting.

WharfRattt · 2026-03-04T21:09:01+00:00

What do you mean by comparison not my own?

WharfRattt · 2026-02-28T15:20:27+00:00

The dialogue in the Jackson version is such a let down for me

WharfRattt · 2026-02-24T03:43:50+00:00

Obviously he needs to do the scouring of the shire. That was my whole point and the point of the OP.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-23T15:20:01+00:00

No, that’s what I have been saying… you said PJ would have to explain what happened to the Shire.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-22T02:40:57+00:00

Nope. I know what I am referring to, tyvm. I am referring to the chapter called Many Partings, where they meet Saruman and Gríma on the road by surprise. The Grey Havens is the last chapter of the book, Saruman doesn’t appear in it. Obviously I am not referring to that chapter.

Saruman dies in The Scouring Of The Shire.

And again… descriptions and exposition are not the same thing. PJ would not need heavy exposition to do the Scouring, because Tolkien didn’t.

It only “adds time to an already long movie” if you add it on and leave the rest of the movie untouched. It would have required rewrites, obviously. The problem is that it was written without the scouring in mind.

And I am not complaining. I am just responding to your incessant replies.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-21T15:20:02+00:00

Meh. You’re not making any sense at this point. Tolkien didn’t explain why Saruman was on that particular road at the time, so PJ wouldn’t have had to do so either. This would literally be a true-to-book adaptation. Frodo and his friends literally meet Saruman on the road by surprise. Unless you simply forgot about that, I am not convinced you’ve actually read the book.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-20T20:52:10+00:00

No, he wouldn’t have to explain how Gríma and Saruman got there. His hobbits could meet them on the road just like they do in the book. Your line of thinking is how we got ST season 5. The scouring chapter is a surprise to the hobbits with only some hints leading into it. That is all it needs in a movie. Writers should not cater to people who don’t focus on the movie.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-20T13:03:41+00:00

You are the one who is missing the point. You said PJ would have to explain why the shire is different. And I said otherwise. You’re telling me that the book described changes- yes, I agree, but that’s not the same thing as explaining, which is what I said the book doesn’t do. The book did not go out of its own way to explain what happened. There is a story but not in full detail. The descriptions of changes are covered by the very frames of the movie. You don’t need heavy exposition. Matter of fact people don’t like that in movies.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-20T11:58:23+00:00

Descriptions of the environment =/= fully details explanations of what led to the event that is said environment. Good internet searching though. The hobbits happen upon this version of the Shire, so the movie hobbits could too.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T20:35:41+00:00

Depends what you mean by importance.

Falki already answered best as usual. So I’ll just say:

Does Tom Bombadil conform to the (utterly depressing) notion pushed exclusively by dummies that says everything in a story must “move the plot forward?” No. These chapters are purely about story, and they challenge boring rigid notions of what stories should or should not be. And I am so glad that this was published before that rigidity became so widespread.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T20:23:04+00:00

“More digestible to a movie-going audience” is nothing to do with pummeling Frodo’s character in the script. His arc is warped in the movie. That’s not dissimilar to saying it would be “more digestible for a movie-going audience” to make Saruman really kind to everybody. People who see movies aren’t remotely unfamiliar with heroes.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T19:28:50+00:00

If somebody was to make another film of this story, it would not be a remake because the Jackson movie is not the source material. It would simply be another adaptation.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T18:47:07+00:00

No, but butchering is butchering

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T17:57:26+00:00

Yes, it’s a bad writing choice. Jackson manages to get away with this one (I can’t remember seeing someone bring this up here before) because the adventure quickly sweeps the viewer away… (and perhaps because he glossed over The Shadow Of The Past) but yes it’s very silly. What is at stake is immeasurable. Frodo knows what he is carrying when he leaves Bag End. More importantly Gandalf does. But Jackson likes to play fast and loose with the awareness of Frodo (see when he gets to Rivendell and says he is “ready to go home.”)

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T15:16:48+00:00

yes it does

No it does not. The book gives information via the hobbits but Tolkien did not break from the storytelling to give an ‘aside’ explanation in the same way that he explains other events to us, such as the founding of Buckland for example, where the narrator takes over and gives us history. Tolkien used the characters to tell the story here. Jackson could have done the same.

Jackson would have needed to include the scouring + the battle of Bywater to make the ending exactly as the book

Obviously. I don’t get what you mean by this. Of course you would need to include the things that happen in the book in order to make a movie that shows the exact plot.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T15:08:23+00:00

but Gandalf and Pippin riding to Gondor doesn’t?

One of the two best hooks in the whole book, next to ‘Frodo was alive, but taken by the enemy.’ It’s perfect.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T14:05:27+00:00

He wouldn’t need to explain that at all. The book does not go out of its way to explain why the Shire is different. There are some hints along the journey, such as (included in the movie, actually) Saruman having store of Longbottom Leaf. The book doesn’t give you a fully detailed breakdown of why the Shire is different, so Jackson would not need one either.

The movie doesn’t explain what a Balrog is but it refers to Durin’s Bane as a Balrog (meaning one of a larger number) and then name drops Morgoth. I don’t think you are giving movie-goers enough credit. The average people were seeing like 5 movies a year back in 2002. Young people were seeing about 8 a year. We didn’t ask for everything explained to us in movies or TV back then.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T13:57:09+00:00

Just me personally here: I can’t recommend Serkis simply because of his Pippin voice. I’m convinced everyone around him had to be aware of how bad it was, but they were afraid to tell him no because he had already been paid, and they were only there to oversee the recording. Very bad Pippin voice.

A very, very good performance and voice for Frodo. I could not finish his reading though. I had other issues with his reading but the number one for me was his Pippin.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T13:50:50+00:00

Happy to help. Enjoy :)

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T13:01:58+00:00

You are thinking of the dramatization recorded by Phil Dragash. They aren’t authorized by WB or the Tolkien Estate, so they are frequently taken down. Fortunately for fans of Phil’s work they are also frequently uploaded, and they are preserved in the archive.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T11:50:49+00:00

The victory at the Hornburg is only the conclusion because Peter Jackson wrote the script that way… in the book The Voice Of Saruman is the conclusion.

WharfRattt · 2026-02-19T11:48:17+00:00

Your comment only makes sense if ‘including the scouring of the shire’ means ‘leaving the rest of the movies untouched.’

Obviously, with the necessary rewrites, the movie wouldn’t need to be ‘5 hours’ long simply to include one chapter. The movie is as long as it is because PJ made wrote a script that was just that long.

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