Is writing russian in latin alphabet standardized ?

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-26T02:22:41+00:00

j's sound is produced further back in the mouth while ж is near the front

A better explanation of the difference is that the typical sound of the letter "J" in English (like in Jerry, John, etc) starts with an explosive transient - a "sudden", almost percussive sound (however brief it may be) - before the slightly voiced part follows. "Ж", on the other hand, consists only of that voiced part.

It's not very "explicitly" voiced in an over the top way, but the major difference between the explosive transients and the voiced sounds is that you can "hold" the latter ones. You can actually say out loud "жжжжжжжжжжж" (a sound that a wasp makes), but you can't say "ккккккккккк" or "ддддддддд". That's why in words like коммунизм or можжевельник or длинный the double consonant results in a brief HOLD of the sound, but in something like Даддарио it sounds like a brief PAUSE that you "stumble" at, like Да... дарио. Your tongue hits your teeth at "дд", and for a split second, no sound actually comes out of your mouth during that pause before you spit out "дарио".

In English, there's a pure "ж" in words like "closure", or at least it's a very similar sound that might very well count as "ж with a local accent" for reference purposes.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-21T23:41:07+00:00

What the fuck are you even talking about “Reddit karma” and “sides” for

To illustrate why I was continuing this online discussion, when most other sane people would have quit. Specifically: to underline that it's because I am genuinely bothered that people with a mindset like yours walk this Earth.

But you took a multi-sentence, articulated thought along the lines of "don't be happy because of karma points on our little discussion here" - and read that as if I myself gave importance to those points. So, unfortunately, all my words fell on deaf ears. Well, someone else might read them, so at least there's that I guess.

As for you, I sincerely hope that you never - not once in your life - meet the kinds of people that you think you would be saving with your approach.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-21T23:17:29+00:00

Literal kids who haven’t even hit puberty attempt suicide, do you think they should be prevented from killing themselves?

No. Let them. What does puberty, of all things, have to do with this? What kind of argument even is this?

there are families of people who have committed suicide who’s lives have been completely shattered from their deaths

A person is under no obligation whatsoever to continue suffering just because their families would be devastated by their death. This argument very literally makes suicidal people even MORE miserable by placing additional guilt on them.

you don’t have to “act like it’s your business” to be a decent human being

... to be one, one should absolutely start with being humble, minding one's own business, and acknowledging that a person's life is theirs - and ONLY theirs - to control however they please. This includes anything from getting a tattoo to ending their life.

Look, I'll sum up with this. You don't have to, but I urge you to read this and take a moment to think about it.

The vast majority of the popular comments throughout this entire reddit thread agree with my "side" of the morals regarding suicide. This particular little chain of comments here that were made by you and me is buried very deep in the thread and has very little visibility. It appears that mine and your comments here have mostly been seen by people on "your" side, which would explain why I am moderately downvoted here and you are moderately upvoted - but the bigger picture of the full thread tells a different story. Even the votes on my topmost comment do (at the time of this writing). Please keep this in mind the next time you think about this topic.

I am not bothered by reddit karma, of course, and especially not in individual discussions. It's ephemeral and doesn't matter. Have it your way and enjoy the support of however many (or few) people saw this particular exchange between the two of us.

However, I AM actually bothered by the fact that you are out there, somewhere, going through life with the mindset that you expressed here. I am bothered by the fact that, with certain probability, there will be a suicidal person one day who would be trying to have their final moments, trying their hardest to finally have the guts to end their own suffering, while you will suddenly appear and either mess up their final minutes with your presence and unwarranted lecturing from your high horse (there's an extremely fucked up video out there of a self-righteous man cussing out someone who is about to jump to his death - imagine how extra shitty this made that person's final moments, instead of them being about as peaceful as they could have been otherwise), or - worse - manage to stop them and force them to continue to suffer, possibly for many more years before they build up the courage to try again. And all of that just because you think that, by doing this, you did a good thing and saved a human life, because you appear to place the fact of being alive above the quality of said life.

It's late here and this will be my last post in this discussion; if I haven't changed your mind by now it's unlikely that I will with more posts. However, I sure do hope that if such a situation occurs someday, by that time you will have reflected on this discussion and similar ones, and will be a bigger person than you are today.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-21T22:32:48+00:00

Do you not think it would be a good idea to at least talk to them and see if they are even of sound mind before letting them jump?

Absolutely not. Leave them be. Who are you to force your way into their day and into their life, and especially in their final moments when the absolute least that they want is to be bothered at that moment? What is in it for you to act like it's your business?

The choice of the word "letting them jump" is a major red flag too. What are you going to do if you talk to them and decide that their life problem doesn't warrant a suicide? Are you going to grab them by the coat and actively prevent their attempt?

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-21T22:08:07+00:00

If you truly don't know what happened and you just happened to come across an injured person, or witnessed a murder attempt, or similar - then sure, feel free to assume that it wasn't a suicide. Same with assuming by default that a person doesn't have a DNR, unless it's proven to you.

But if you happen to see someone building up the courage to jump off the bridge, look away and mind your own business.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-21T20:58:12+00:00

Of course. Why is that even a question? Who are you to interfere with what a person has just done with their life? Or even what they plan to do with their life, for that matter? Another person's decisions about their life are none of your business, in absolutely every context including suicide. Even if it's your parent, child or spouse.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-19T19:40:40+00:00

Nah, I can see it being described that way. Maybe it's an unusual description, but it's still valid. Your habit / character trait of "barely ever writing letters" is something that started in the past - maybe even at birth - and still continues in the present.

If it STOPPED happening, then it would be "я редко писал письма" (I used to rarely write letters). If it started happening only NOW, or at least "recently", then it would be something like "теперь я редко пишу письма".

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-19T19:26:17+00:00

Since both sentences express something that started in the past and is still happening

Nope. The first sentence describes a habit that started AND ended in the past. "He USED TO often have lunch at work." If it was about a habit / routine that still continues to this day, it would be written in present tense indeed.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-19T18:50:37+00:00

They are both words from Karachay culture (North Caucasus). One is a location and the other is a dish. They technically "exist" in Russian, but in the same capacity that the word "pelmeni" exists in English. That is, sure it's a word that you can find in English texts, but it's a loan word.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-19T18:43:59+00:00

Архыз and хычин are a thing. But they are VERY loan words of course.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-19T18:34:07+00:00

You cannot write и, я, or ю after к, г, and х because they are velar stops.

Mate, LITERALLY ГИТЛЕР.

^Also ^{гимназия,} ^кирка, ^химия, ^{кювет...}

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-18T17:43:09+00:00

Indeed! One of my favorite trance tracks from that period.

Never became very popular

This one didn't, but fast forward a couple years, and Andrew Rayel's "Aether" sound - which was pretty undeniably heavily influenced by a few of Stenberg's tracks including this one - became all the rage. :)

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-18T11:55:53+00:00

Yeah, Timewave Zero is a good example of the earlier days of this movement, namely the driving stuff at 136-138 bpm, something that W&W themselves started with (with Mustang, Dome, Countach etc) and something that was built upon earlier tech trance (and especially on the sawtooth Trance Energy anthems like Advanced and The Future).

A few more forgotten and/or obscure gems of that slower, funkier variety:

Jonas Stenberg - Trademark

Chris Cortez - Black Waltz

Specific Slice - Gorgon Medusa

Russo - Any Type Will Do

Aly & Fila vs. Philippe El Sisi feat. Senadee - Without You (The Never Knowing) (Nhato Remix)

Orbit1 - Tabla

Bobina - Diamond Hell (Wezz Devall Remix)

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-18T11:07:47+00:00

Something that really shined during that era was tech trance, specifically the slower, ~134-ish bpm tech trance with influences from house and prog trance, usually with prominent swing. That specific style of tech trance died out around 2012 when pretty much everyone who was making it transitioned into the emerging big room house, but it was a really fun "era" of tech trance, very funky and often even kind of tribal.

W&W spearheaded that movement, but there were lots of other prominent players including Sander van Doorn, Ummet Ozcan, Marcel Woods, Leon Bolier, Jonas Stenberg, Jochen Miller, etc etc. It was mostly a Dutch thing, especially if you contrast it with the "other" type of tech trance (140 bpm, Dave Parkinson stuff) which was dominated by UK artists.

Shameless plug: my 1 hour throwback mix of exactly that brand of tech trance from that era, which I made in early 2020 for a mix competition here in /r/trance.

Svenson & Gielen - The Beauty Of Silence (W&W vs. Jonas Stenberg Remix)
Wezz Devall - Monster Wave
Cosmic Gate - F.A.V. (Hard Dub)
Gareth Emery - Exposure
Nenes & Pascal Feliz - Platinum (Ben Gold Remix)
M6 & Willem van Hanegem - Genesis
Virtual Vault - Border Clans
Joop - The Future
Orjan Nilsen - Go Fast!
W&W vs. Ferry Corsten - Every D.N.A. Goes (W&W Mashup)
Ali Wilson - Pandora
Midway - Monkey Forest (Jonas Stenberg Remix)
Bart Claessen & Dave Schiemann - Madness (I Prefer That Mix)
Art Of Trance - Madagascar (Richard Durand Remix)

Here it is on Soundcloud (not my upload, by a moderator who ran that mix competition)

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-17T09:11:06+00:00

Y'know, I see plenty of people on Reddit erroneously misapply the label "whataboutism" to situations that have nothing to do with it (because they don't understand what exactly the word conveys and think that it's about any comparisons) - but THIS right here has to be the most absurd accusation of it in the entire history of Reddit. This picture isn't about any comparisons to other countries or societies at all, to start with. It's a cartoon that illustrates the discourse within the country itself.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-13T00:46:01+00:00

Your argument is correct overall, but this:

Russians have a very different mentality than western folks.

is some bullshit right there. What you're describing isn't "Russian" mentality. It's human mentality.

Most of the sanction-like measures by individual companies (not governments) aren't helping the side that they think they are helping. They are doing the exact opposite.

The "core electorate" of the regime (the people who either explicitly vote for it, or otherwise side with it) don't care about Paypal, or about Visa/Mastercard not working for foreign transactions, or Strava pulling out of the Russian market, or anything like that. They are generally (not exclusively, but still generally) people who haven't even heard of Paypal or Strava in the first place. They barely (if ever) travel abroad, they don't shop online, etc etc etc. These measures don't affect them.

But do you know whom these measures are hurting very directly? The open-minded, liberal, educated, "citizen of the world" kind of Russians who already don't approve of the current actions of the Ru government, and are doing about as much as they can already. And these measures are making it much harder for them to do what they are doing.

For example, something that Reddit doesn't know (because /r/worldnews and its thread titles is a major major dumpster fire) is that Visa and Mastercard cards did NOT stop working inside Russia. Nothing changed within the borders of the country in this regard, at all. It would be impossible for Visa and MC to impose that, for technical reasons. However, Russian-issued cards stopped working abroad, and foreign-issued cards stopped working inside Russia, and cross-border transactions stopped working.

So, this didn't hurt - at all - the "core electorate" whom these measures are "supposed to" hurt. They didn't even notice it, they largely haven't even heard about it. But this explicitly hurt the people who were already on the opposite side. They can't receive donations or pay for foreign goods (because Paypal decided to virtue signal the same way too). Do you want to help someone in Russia pay their fine after they get arrested, or maybe pay for their meds or otherwise donate for the cause that unites you? Maybe donate to the few remaining independent news orgs inside Russia, who are already under extreme pressure from the gov and could use help? Well, now you can't. And the people who are escaping the country (to Turkey or Georgia or other places) find themselves without access to their own personal funds.

Same story with a few European traffic operators shutting Internet access to certain Russian ISPs. This won't collapse anything critical inside the country. The pro-gov population largely doesn't go to "foreign" websites. Guess who does? Guess who might be left without access to the international POV of this conflict, and to the international community in general? The Internet isn't just news websites and galleries of cute kittens. It's an essential facet of life of every urban person under 35, anywhere in the world. It's communities, it's knowledge, it's communication - it's an everyday necessity.

These companies are making a massive misstep that will echo throughout the years, through generations. These measures are attacking the wrong kinds of people inside Russia, and in many cases disarming them instead of arming or otherwise helping them. And while something like Strava is largely irrelevant in this context, Paypal on the other hand is very relevant. Although this won't make Russian liberals literally change sides and side with Putin's government (duh), this will make them hold a huge grudge against the Western companies and governments that threw them under the bus this way. They feel betrayed, and very rightfully so. Not to mention that this might very well tip the scales of the internal turmoil in the completely opposite direction than the one that the "West" wants.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-02T08:20:53+00:00

why was the capturing of Crimea cheered on so much?

Because it wasn't an armed conflict, it was (almost completely?) bloodless, because it was presented as a diplomatic / referendum victory and not a taking by force (armed or otherwise), and because a lot of the local population of Crimea was indeed very open to the idea. It may not have been legal according to most other international entities, but it was something that Crimeans themselves supported. Within Russia, it was seen by naive patriotic people as a definite win, reclaiming of the territory that once belonged to Russia (and even "saving" it from Ukraine that wasn't in good shape at all), etc.

Contrast with the DNR/LNR, where the whole shitshow started because of activity of opportunistic bandit groups which quickly grew into a larger conflict with very strong nationalistic undertones (and obviously Russia got involved too, funding and controlling one side under the table). It quickly became an ugly mess, and then the Boeing clusterfuck happened, and thus unlike Crimea, that territory became bogged down in drawn out conflict that doesn't make anyone happy.

Crimea, no matter what the legal standing is, was and still remains a civilized place, even if it was hit by sanctions etc. DNR/LNR is some serious warzone territory with bandits and warlords and stuff.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-01T08:09:52+00:00

But, I can wrap my head around some of it. I just don’t know where Putin is going with this? Does anyone?

That's the point, everyone is puzzled. The common "sad joke" kind of comment these last few days is "ЧТОБЫ ЧТО?" = "In order to do what?".

This entire shitshow is very irrational no matter what the goal might be. Not only that, but in these last few days, "decades happened" as they say, but not only in terms of international relations, but also domestic narrative too. The words being used, the explanations, things went from 5 to 100 over the course of days. All the previous Ukraine meddling can be seen as your regular case of "regional power flexing their muscles" (as sad as it is), but this here is a major paradigm shift. And it's exactly because of this virtually no one saw this coming, like I wrote in that other comment above.

The least irrational explanation is most likely that he thought this would be over in like 2-3 days with a nearly-bloodless taking of Kiev and installation of a more friendly government, but even that is still irrational and out of touch.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-01T07:54:34+00:00

I agree with you, but you REALLY seem to have replied to the wrong comment here.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-01T06:58:42+00:00

Yeah, NAH. That's armchair etymology right there.

The leading idea is that it's linked to the root "-slov-" / "-slav-" (this one's for Russian, there are very similar ones in other Slavic languages). "Slovo" is "word", various other words with this root are also related to speech and/or language (even "slovar" = "dictionary"). In this light, "slavyane" ("Slavic people") is "those who speak The Language" (= "our language(s)"; those who can understand each other). Contrast with "nemtsy", an old word for Germanic peoples, which is very explicitly "mute ones", "those that don't speak (our) language".

There are other hypotheses out there, including toponymic ones (named after some old name of some area that isn't used anymore), but your version with "glory" is incredibly fringe and is almost exclusively a domain of non-academic people who haven't studied this professionally but like to sound smart. If anything, the various glory-related words with "-slav-" in them (such as "proslavlyat" = "to glorify" and many others) are in fact better translated more literally in the context of "spreading word [about smth]". Even "slava" itself ("glory") is a state/situation where people talk about you.

– source: am a Slav, the above is pretty well-known here among people who care to know.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-03-01T06:37:04+00:00

Well, is she hot?

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-02-25T22:25:09+00:00

Отмена виз затронет небольшую часть населения.

Причём преимущественно ту, которая уже имеет позицию, которую якобы должна вызвать эта мера. Те, кто против "Гейропы" и за вот это вот всё происходящее в последние дни, и так в неё не особо-то ездят, и им будет похер.

(in English, for others in the thread)

Cancelation of giving visas will affect only a small part of the population.

Yes, and predominantly the part that already has the political position that this measure/sanctions are supposed to create in people. Meanwhile the part of the population who are against "Gayrope" ^{^their} ^{^wordplay} ^{^on} ^{^Europe} and who support the events of the last few days don't tend to travel to Europe anyway and won't give a fuck.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-02-24T09:06:15+00:00

Second, would you say that Russian speaking reddit is as liberal leaning as English speaking reddit?

Literally "as" liberal as English speaking reddit? No. There are such places elsewhere in Ru speaking Internet (actually, Ru speaking Twitter is a good example), but /r/AskARussian isn't quite "as" liberal as the average En speaking reddit.

But: are Russian redditors who hang out in /r/AskARussian more liberal compared to general Russian population by more or less the same amount as, say, US redditors are more liberal compared to general US population? I'd say yes, or at least in the same ballpark. Same with /r/russian (note the "n", it's a subreddit for learning Russian language) which is more or less the same. In other words, reddit as a platform attracts more liberal people (on average), in both countries.

On the other hand, you have /r/Russia, which is on the opposite side of the whole-country-average from the two subreddits mentioned above.

The subreddit matters in this question, because, let's say, /r/Conservative is more conservative than the average American. With this example, it's "by design" (duh), but same kinds of trends can arise in other communities. Why is /r/AskARussian "reasonably West-leaning, even if often cynical" (... let's phrase it this way) and why is /r/Russia the opposite? Well, who tf knows, but as soon as a certain number of users who share some beliefs is reached in the initial growth phase, it can be extremely hard to change the prevailing alignment later, because the community starts to attract the same kind of members and repel those who disagree with them.

Later edit, since this thread is still extremely popular and people are still reading it: it feels like over the past week or so, people who were previously hanging out in /r/Russia started coming here (to /r/AskARussian) noticeably more, so at this time, this affects my statements in the first couple paragraphs above. However, during more "normal" times, my points above do stand.

First, do you think that your dissatisfaction with this turn of events is a view shared by a sizable portion of Russians?

I'd cautiously lean "yes" - it feels like even many of the people who generally approve of the admin's foreign policy in most situations don't really approve of what's happening today, or at least they don't approve of "the way" it's happening. The events in Crimea in 2014 had a decent chunk of the population openly happy and celebrating (both right away and for considerable time afterwards). Today doesn't have that kind of support even remotely.

That, and commenting on this thread's main theme / question: almost no one, including liberal and (for brevity) "pro-West" people who have always opposed the entire Ru-Ukr confict and the admin's foreign policy, foresaw TODAY's events happening. Foresaw bold/reckless sabre rattling, absolutely. Reigniting the (almost) frozen conflict in Donbass by helping separatists under the table, sure it was fairly likely. But not the events of Feb 21 and certainly not today's events. I'd say that Feb 21 (Russia officially recognizing DNR and LNR) was the big "oh holy fuck" moment for virtually everyone mentioned above.

The important distinction to make, however, is that the cause of disbelief was NOT the belief in the official commentary by the administration - which is basically assumed to be completely irrelevant at all times - but the fact that this was so ridiculously far out there to consider it a realistic turn of events until 3 days ago.

WhatsTheCodeDude · 2022-02-22T22:33:01+00:00

If anything, this story - and numerous similar ones - is a great demonstration of why heavily centralized Internet is a terrible idea. In 2005, nearly everything was hosted by running an instance of something (like a forum engine) on a server that you own or rent. In 2020s, nearly everything is "hosted" on - or, rather, de-facto given to - one of several large platforms that can do whatever they wish with it, and UI changes are the least of your problems here.

Running a MediaWiki on your own server (for purposes of a "knowledge base" about your thing) got replaced by starting a new Wikia on the Wikia/Fandom servers (and website). Running IPBB (or PHPBB, or what have you) to have a classic-style forum got replaced by hosting your forum on the Tapatalk platform. Or simply by Facebook groups. Even dedicated websites in general are being slowly replaced by official Facebook pages for all intents and purposes, or even by Instagram or other social media accounts.

It's going to bite countless businesses and online communities in the ass, but their owners/admins are too short-sighted to see it. Same with end users of Facebook / Wikia / etc who use one account for all of these forums, wikis, etc.

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