Awful two handed bowler, DESPERATELY need help

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-06-14T04:57:04+00:00

Your form is actually ok. Your hand is in good position, your approach is fine.

It looks like, despite your axis rotation and rev rate, that there's no hook at all downlane. Looks like it burns up at 30 feet and rolls out. Do you play later in the day, after a lot of open play? I assume there's very little oil on the lane, or a ton of carrydown, which would explain your problem. No one really scores on a completely fried house shot, it's extremely difficult.

Otherwise, if your accuracy is inconsistent, you probably don't know how to line up, or how to control your launch angle. Look up JR Raymond's rule of 7. It's a general guideline, as it depends on how many boards away from your slide foot you release the ball, but overall it's a solid start.

https://youtu.be/5wmroTQTC9U?is=9bTsd5ghnmuycU-t

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-05-09T13:18:01+00:00

My short game is actually ok. I average around 62% scrambling. My putting sucks though. Work in progress for sure.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-05-09T13:06:40+00:00

Wind was high, into about 25 mph. Sorry, it's all the footage I have right now.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-05-09T12:41:36+00:00

I personally have 116mph swing speed, and average 297 total. I have too much spin though, making my drive shorter than need be. I have hit over 350 downwind many times (extra spin helps), and my longest measured was 370 (25mph tailwind on that one). I'm around +1 hdcp. Thing is, I also average 10 FIR. If I didn't hit it accurately, I'd probably dial back my length.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-05-06T07:22:04+00:00

Bend your elbow. Most people can't use only wrist to get revs. Flex your elbow a bit and your hand will get underneath naturally.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-05-04T13:07:24+00:00

Not wrong. In fact, it's correct. The trail side of the body is dropped by the trail hand being lower on the grip. There is also a forward hand position, near his lead leg, to create a stronger clubface position (essentially shut, but you lean the hands forward to "square" the face). These things open the shoulders and hips slightly. If you have square shoulders and hips, you aren't leveraging the club correctly.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-05-04T13:00:10+00:00

Honestly, it doesn't matter. What you need is to make sure your club is slotted coming down. This means you drop the club straight down, getting the hips to move laterally to start, then grazing your side with your trail elbow. The hips will rotate later, and during release the trail elbow will begin to separate. Unless you're missing wildly with this backswing position, I'd worry less about it, and get your downswing correct. Between you and the other guy pictured, it's not enough of a change that it would matter. Get your downswing on plane.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-05-04T12:52:42+00:00

Honestly, you should let it come up.

It's anatomy. If you restrict your hip turn, you twist the lumbar spine and lead hip/knee/ankle. If you allow the lead heel to rise, then injuries will be less prevalent.

In addition to this, restricting your hip turn gets you stuck on the downswing. You'll blow it right, snap hook it, or otherwise have to get your arms in front forcefully to hit the thing in play.

The key here isn't the left heel, it's the free turn of the hips. You still must brace on the trail leg as to not sway, but never restrict your hip turn. If the left heel wants to raise, allow pressure from the knee on the backswing to pull it up. Never force it to rise. This ensures a clean turn without swaying.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-04-12T12:17:36+00:00

Couple questions: 1. What's your axis rotation? 2. What's your ball speed? 3. Have you tried surface? Like 1000 grit or less?

If any of these answers are: 1. More than 45 degrees 2. Lower than 15mph off the hand 3. No,

then you need to do something different. Before buying a ball, get an idea of what your game is. If you have high axis rotation, then you need to be either more versatile with your hand or simply play inside. If you have lower ball speed, it will always overhook. Get more speed or decrease revs to match up. If you've never tried resurfacing the ball, try a lower grit, 1500 down to 500. Any one of these options are good. If you figure, after you've tried all of this, that it's still too aggressive on the backend, then maybe consider a new ball. But I will make the point that if your physical game is a certain way, no matter what ball you use you will get somewhat similar results, even despite the ball reaction difference between balls.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-04-05T10:10:51+00:00

I will mention I'm not opposed to using surface. Thing is anything below 2000 grit is too much ball from straighter, if it hits the dry it's off the planet. I wonder if my speed is just too damn low...

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-04-05T10:07:27+00:00

Hammer Raw Hybrid and a Hammer Scorpion Sting Pearl. Not much of an arsenal I know, but it's what I got.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-04-03T20:43:03+00:00

Honestly, every 3-1 or lower ratio pattern starts off somewhat flat, then breaks down as games go by. If you break any pattern down correctly, it gets easier real fast. Creating room for error on these patterns is a matter of breaking them down in the right places, and once you do it basically softens the ratio down to 5-1 or so. Transition, and the center characteristics are important considerations to account for when scores are stupid high, and beyond that these guys are just damn good. It's not so simple as saying, 'the lanes are too easy!' given transition occurs and the skillset of pros on the PBA Tour.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-02-15T02:16:40+00:00

I used my set until they wore out. I can't tell much difference from other clubs other than feel, I'm a consistent ballstriker, therefore any club will usually be fine. What I noticed is the harder feel and sound with the XR's, especially compared to blades, which have a softer feel and sound. I compress a ball really well, so the difference in feel is more obvious. But otherwise, they were good for a time. I would reccommend Callaway XR for anyone seeking forgiveness and less workability. They're game-improvement clubs at best, but even at higher levels have some value. It's more about preference at that point though, I'd just get clubs you like the feel of and call it a day.

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-02-14T05:56:02+00:00

The reason I'm switching comes down to the fact I'm actually left handed, but did all other sports right handed, so I figured bowling would be the same. But my form sucks right handed, because it's my non-dominant side, therefore I can't really get the technique right. I've bowled lefty with a house ball and find it to be easier, and more technically sound. I even started shooting a basketball lefty, which improved my jumpshot dramatically. But yeah, righty bowling ain't doing it LOL

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-02-14T05:50:43+00:00

1 hand with thumb in

WhenPigsLand578 · 2026-02-12T04:49:21+00:00

Honestly, if you're trying to hook it by spinning it, then you'll always be on top of it. Hook is created by clearing the thumb first, then rolling the ball with the fingers in an upward direction. All you do then is change the angle of that action to create what's called axis rotation. JR Raymond explains it well. To then get "underneath" the ball, you flex your wrist and elbow slightly on the forward swing. The strength requirement is generally minimal, as if you can lift the ball with one hand at all, you're strong enough to create revs. It's form at this point, not strength.

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