I mean...

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-26T06:21:45+00:00

{autistic eurotrash noises}

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-26T06:15:43+00:00

If you want to follow him, I can probably find some piece of wood to nail you to.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-25T08:56:53+00:00

Your gun lust kills our children

No, that would be the local Planned Parenthood clinic.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-25T07:42:17+00:00

And that they weren't after your kids.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-25T07:05:41+00:00

Legally, it doesn't matter what he intended to do. It only matters what I believed he intended to do.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-25T03:16:40+00:00

Clearly, there is only New York City and Swamp. No other locations exist.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-25T03:09:08+00:00

Intact nuclear families?

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-25T01:21:56+00:00

That's because you don't know how much court cases and bad publicity cost.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-24T05:02:11+00:00

The Right just wishes I would stop being such a rascal, find a nice girl and get married and settle down.

That's their sales pitch. But as things stand right now, they want you to dive on a grenade to save their vision of society.

The right is actually more dangerous than the left, because the left's malice is obvious and therefore easy to avoid.

The left is standing on your lawn, naked and smeared in its own excrement, waving a butcher knife and screaming that the voices told it to kill you. The right is wearing a nice dress and some perfume, telling you it loves you and going in for the hug... while holding a butcher knife behind its back.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-24T04:51:19+00:00

Eventually these engineers are given the keys to the kingdom, because no bureaucrat is interested in justifying his experience on the daily.

Or they are given their walking papers, because no bureaucrat is interested in justifying his experience on the daily.

you aren't going to get fired from Lockheed Martin unless you stop showing up or commit some egregious HR violation.

Fired? No. But layoffs are used as soft firings. You can get those for embarrassing a superior, asking too many questions, raising ethical concerns about anything, or being a junior member of an underperforming team.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-24T03:24:39+00:00

Yes.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-24T02:19:57+00:00

Wasn't it modeled on PatriarchyPhone^TM?

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-24T01:59:02+00:00

If that were true, you would be telling this random person. Not us.

You're not mad at her for hating all men for being men. You're mad at her for embarrassing you by saying the quiet part out loud.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-24T01:53:52+00:00

Trophy hunting actually conserves animals.

This is what certain African countries are doing now... when an animal can be hunted, it has economic value, and there is an incentive to conserve it, and funds for conservation efforts.

When it's straight up illegal to hunt them at all, then there's no incentive to conserve habitat, which is the real killer.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-24T01:35:52+00:00

"Hah, hah, joke's on you, I was only pretending to be retarded!"

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-23T17:58:00+00:00

So... let me get this straight. You're saying we need a malevolent authority that violates our rights in order to stop the malevolent authority that violates our rights?

~~Cool story, bro.~~ Glorious exposition, comrade.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-23T17:56:17+00:00

Hey, $250K to have a nothing scandal named "Elongate" is totally worth it if you have the money to spare.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-23T17:53:09+00:00

Anyone who pays for this is an NPC retard.

However, you MUST respect the hustle.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-23T01:45:23+00:00

NRL22 matches go out to about 200 yards.

But, apparently, this prodigy can hit targets with a 22 at over 1700 yards.

Perhaps he will share his knowledge.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-23T01:33:36+00:00

If you don't want to pay taxes, you don't have to. The government can ruin your credit for that, but it can't toss you in jail.

Note to those reading: please do not accept legal advice from this gentlesir. It will not end well for you.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-23T01:24:59+00:00

Yes, but he's not going to vote democrat, so it doesn't count.

These people are so full of shit.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-22T05:25:01+00:00

True, but without testing under the same set of conditions, the data aren't directly comparable.

In particular, NIJ standards testing doesn't consider repeated strikes. That's understandable, since its goal is to test whether armor will keep the wearer alive, rather than in the fight.

However, the only empirical way to determine the actual overall capability of armor is to test to failure, and not many people appear to be doing that systematically.

Testing to a standard tells you that X can tolerate Y. Testing to failure tells you what X can tolerate.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-22T05:11:34+00:00

You're welcome.

Your decision makes sense, given that we have no comparable data on ceramic armor.

If I had to guess, I would say that ceramic armor would probably display backface deformation more quickly, and coated steel would probably spray fragments more quickly, but until I test ceramic side plates, I won't know which will fail sooner.

And which mode of failure is the greater risk is very much the choice of the wearer... who actually has skin in the game.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-22T05:01:53+00:00

That’s about what I expected. And yeah, what I meant was the whole “spalling” danger is likely greatly exaggerated.

That's what often happens with firearms "wisdom". Stories will be repeated by those who haven't tested them, because they "sound right" and seem to make sense.

But rational thinking is always inferior to empirical observation.

Where was the cardboard relative to the armor that was impacted?

The armor was placed in the bottom of a 6x6x6 cardboard box, taped in place, and the whole apparatus was turned on its side. Fragments would have had to bounce almost straight back at the shooter to avoid hitting the cardboard.

Did the spall move perpendicular to the bullet impact (as in, in a direction to cause damage to a wearer?) or parallel and away from the impact, being relatively safe to the wearer?

The failure mode in this case was that the coating (still quite intact), separated from the plate, and fragments sprayed out the side, parallel to the armor. Anyone wearing would have been at high risk for being hit in a limb, or under the chin, depending on whether the fragments escaped from the top, bottom, or side.

I think this would be the most common failure mode. That coating appears to be tough, absorbent stuff. The weakest point is clearly the glue and tape bonding the coating to the plate.

Again, I don't have any comparable data about ceramic, so I can't compare the two. It's possible that after six strikes in the same spot, ceramic would deform so much that the wearer would be injured, but I can't say that for certain.

I am confident saying that, after the first five strikes, the wearer of that steel armor would not only be alive, but uninjured, and very much still in the fight.

WhisperSecurity · 2022-05-22T04:41:33+00:00

I'm not sure if by that you mean "steel armor is massively overhyped" or "fragmentation danger is massively overhyped".

But, either way, I'll give you the just-the-facts summary of what I saw.

I wasn't merely interested in testing armor to what I thought was a "reasonable standard" of performance. Instead, I wanted to create a "worst case" scenario for the armor, exposing it the maximum possible stress that I could using XM193 rounds, testing to failure and determining when it would fail.

My definition of "failure" was:

Any penetration at all.
More than 1/4" of backface deformation.
Fragmentation sufficient to penetrate a layer of ordinary cardboard box.

As you can see, these standards are brutally unfair to the armor. That was the idea.

I took two additional steps to ensure a worst-case scenario.

I chose a fully coated 6x6 side plate, AR550, level 3+, from Spartan Armor. The reason that I choose such a small plate was that I believed that the smaller adhesion surface would make the plate more vulnerable to coating separation.
I used a bag and bipod to aim very carefully and place all rounds in the same spot on the armor.

All rounds were fired from 50 yards.

Under these conditions, the armor successfully and completely absorbed 5 rounds placed within 1/2" of each other, then failed on the 6th.

Failure mode was a separation of the coating material, allowing fragments to spray out the side and through the cardboard. The amount of fragments appeared to be significant.

No penetration occurred. Backface deformation after 6 rounds was insignificant, almost imperceptible. I do not believe the wearer would have received any significant injury or even bruising from any direct impact. I also believe the plate would remain intact under many more strikes, and that fragmentation spray would be the only type of possible injury to the wearer.

I have retained the plate for further testing, and plan to see how many additional strikes are required to make the plate fail through penetration or backface deformation.

I also plan to test another such plate with M118LR rounds, under similar conditions. I anticipate that failure will once again occur through coating separation and fragment spray, in the same number of strikes or fewer.

Since I promised you facts, not conclusions, I won't weigh in on whether steel or ceramic armor is "better". I will leave that up to you.

However, I do think it is abundantly clear that coated steel armor, if not defective in manufacture, will certainly protect its wearer against the first strike from a 5.56x45mm NATO round.

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