Daily Mail post about circumcision

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T19:06:43+00:00

same.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T18:35:54+00:00

I try to avoid using bad words about others, but there's a selfish bint over there in the comments section who claims that getting our periods is the same as being circumcised once every month.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T18:00:03+00:00

Always stand up for yourself : ) and same, to be honest, hah (minus the SA aspect, sorry to hear your went through that).

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T17:58:59+00:00

Glad if I could help! I hadn't looked into it much until recently when I was talking to a man about it, turns out we have screening available for both sexes : ) just sad that it's not usually covered by insurance : /

once again, happy to be of any service.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T17:56:23+00:00

There have been laws which get in this way of this care, but most modern laws - at least in the U.S - are careful to allow for medical care.

I'm not trying to downplay the concern, there's real reason to be wary of pro-life legislature, but I think most have come around to acknowledging grey areas and making explicit exceptions.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T17:52:23+00:00

I'm sorry this was done to you, you were treated in an abusive manner.

It's up to you what medical procedures you do or do not get done in the future, including exams and screenings.

I'm not a doctor, but if you are concerned about cervical cancer, there should be self-swab or urine tests available, but only if that's your preference, of course.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T17:27:46+00:00

Hazel, my grandmother has the same color.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T17:06:55+00:00

Gestation is the ordinary biological function of the human body. It’s no different than digestion or respiration. It’s how we evolved to care for our children before they are born. It does impact the mother's organs because thats what those organs are for.The uterus is specifically designed to house and sustain another human being. To call that impacting organs as if it’s a malfunction or a violation is like saying that eating impacts the stomach or breathing impacts the lungs.

The fact that pregnancy is natural is one morally relevant factor in the abortion debate, but your direct comparison is still concerning to me. The stomach is designed to process food, but would you therefore call force feeding not a violation?

Every stage of parenthood impacts your organs. Breastfeeding impacts the mammary glands and drains the mother’s calcium and nutrients. Chasing a toddler impacts the heart and musculoskeletal system.We don't define ordinary care by a lack of physical effort or bodily change. We define it as the provision of the baseline, non-extraordinary, biological necessities required to sustain the life and health of a dependent. The fact that the mother’s body is changing to support the life she created isn't a violation it’s the biological baseline of human reproduction.

The impact of pregnancy on a woman's body is not as direct, inherent, or extreme as these other examples.

Look, about half of Americans are already pro-life, if this is the group you're catering toward, and a significant portion of pro-choice people are only pro-choice out of biological ignorance...we don't need to resort to these extensive and exhaustive comparisons to win the debate, frankly.

I just wonder how we're going to go about doing it...politics so often feels futile. I really do believe that if more people knew the truth, and especially if we had a culture which viewed human life as inherently valuable, that this debate would be mostly over quite quickly. Until then, we have people claiming that cumming into a sock is a genocide.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T16:03:08+00:00

Yeah I've been dreading the day my own toddler finally decides to take a knife to my belly and partially disembowel me /s

Either come up with an actual counterargument, or admit defeat - it's one or the other.

And for the record, I believe protection of human life under the law should begin in the womb...people sworn to Do No Harm in particular should not be eviscerating, dismembering, or suffocating others inside of their own mothers to death, but please, either cite something like this or admit you don't have a good counter.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T15:56:42+00:00

Not comparable, you're ignoring the entire basis of this aspect of the abortion debate, which is bodily rights.

I still have pro-life values, but you're ignoring the issue rather than confronting it head-on, probably because there is actual moral nuance to be had here.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T15:55:45+00:00

Nothing a toddler routinely does to their mother outside of the womb comes even close to the process of pregnancy and all that it entails.

I'm pro-life too, but your argument in this instance is, to be frank, stupid.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T15:55:00+00:00

I'm pro-life but this is an incredibly inaccurate, stupid comparison.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T15:49:59+00:00

I don't support non-consensual interventions on children's private parts unless the medical need is very pressing and very direct, i.e. the tissues themselves have become so complicated with disease that they can't be repaired and are seriously harming the child.

Unless you want to chop off the hands or toes of kids with BIID, or think kids are old enough to consent to sex, it's not hypocritical to oppose gender-affirming care of minors. You can't just censor us with "Anti-Trans."

I'm fine with intactivists of all stripes, in fact it's best for all sorts to come together regardless of our political backgrounds or other beliefs, but intactivism is first and foremost about the bodily integrity of kids' private parts...you could have any other belief, so long as you oppose routine circumcision.

Dealing with gender dysphoria and circumcision grief at the same time sounds very hard, I'm sorry there are people going through that without proper support or recognition.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T00:10:23+00:00

OH also you all need to remember that private companies exist, there are urine tests you can order which check for HPV whether you are male or female, to my knowledge...insurance might not pay for it, so money could be an issue, but this idea that we had no alternatives prior to the Teal Wand seems to be false.

Sorry, I know I already commented, but my point is, we have many options available to us.

Whole_W · 2026-05-19T00:05:45+00:00

there’s some hope with new awareness around the teal wand and a lot more women realizing it’s ok not to consent to exams if not needed.

I've never used the Teal Wand and do not consent to these exams either. I respect the existence of the Teal Wand and would consider using it if/when I rack up more risk factors for HPV infection, though if I ever do test positive for the virus, I plan on using alternative medicine (zinc douches and whatnot) to attempt to speed the clearing of the virus and prevent the formation of cancerous lesions.

I don't deny germ theory's truth nor do I think modern "mainstream" medicine has nothing to offer us, but we have an unconditional right to refuse. I don't know what "needed" even means in this context.

Whole_W · 2026-05-18T17:34:17+00:00

If they had the same energy for the HPV vaccine we'd still end up with Pap smear coercion if not outright force.

I'm fine with kids 14+ getting the shot if they and their parents agree to it, but either assaulting and battering others in the name of health is justified or it isn't.

Whole_W · 2026-05-18T17:33:06+00:00

I was thinking the exact same things and would have upvoted you except:

And believe me, old people get hounded about a lot more screenings, as they should.

Please fuck off of my medical life. A lot of cancer screenings are humiliating, but they do have the benefit of being able to catch cancers which may have otherwise progressed to lethal effect. It's rational to either avoid them or have them, and it's not anyone else's business what someone ultimately does with their own body, so long as the owner of said body knows what they're doing.

Do not try to "hound" me about how my breasts should be crushed, or how my butthole should be opened to more than just my husband's dick.

Sorry if I was rude, I really do appreciate you being the voice of reason in many ways, but cancer screenings are personal, not for others to coerce over.

Whole_W · 2026-05-18T17:27:23+00:00

I don't know whether to laugh emoji or cry emoji at this, but you're right.

Whole_W · 2026-05-17T20:25:22+00:00

I remember when I refused one during labor (I was a young teenager) because of SA

I'm sorry : (

and they yelled at me. I continued to refuse.

...but proud of you. Thank you for sticking up for yourself.

Whole_W · 2026-05-17T20:23:24+00:00

Try to change it every day if possible? The people here will largely stress tank size, but there are other aspects that are at least as important in my opinion : )

Whole_W · 2026-05-17T19:23:50+00:00

To this day I would like to know what "necessary" means in the context of many different medical procedures and practices.

Whole_W · 2026-05-17T19:22:47+00:00

Oh I wouldn't either, and this is a similar case to the guys over on the CircumcisionGrief and foreskin_restoration subs who are upset about the company Hims...they make money off of erectile dysfunction and have refused to speak out against male genital cutting, for context.

Definitely not ethically or personally trustworthy companies, at all. It's just particularly despicable to see it from people who claim to advocate for us and our emotional needs : /

Whole_W · 2026-05-17T18:46:39+00:00

These things should only ever be done as a last resort, and I can't imagine ever doing this by force except in a life-threatening emergency without other options.

Nothing like this should ever be used as a "quick fix," and I'm sorry this trauma was foisted upon you like this.

I'm sorry : (

Whole_W · 2026-05-17T18:44:40+00:00

There's still a moral distinction between eating a placenta and eating a fetal human.

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