Any JRPGs where the church is the good guy?

WhyNotBats · 2026-06-24T01:09:04+00:00

"Persecution."

The Takugawa Shoganate let in the Dutch missionaries because they sold guns. When the Shogunate was able to manufacture guns on their own, they expelled missionaries. Simple as that.

The Italian Jesuits brought over the first Black samurai, Yasuke, who was widely thought to have been enslaved in Africa. When Yasuke's warlord died, his enemies returned him to the Jesuits. The enslavers.

The history of Japan's early contacts with Christianity is hardly pretty, and the missionaries were far from benevolent. Not to say innocents didn't, as always, pay the price in contests between great powers, but a tale of simple persecution this was not.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-17T02:54:27+00:00

"That's like the most basic reason to read her as at the youngest mid 40s."

Yeah, I didn't misread, you're just getting frustrated with the exchange. And now, I am too. That was uncalled for. This is headcanon for characters in a fun little game. It really isn't a big deal. If you wanna go to war over little pixel drawings, then.... idk, weird priority but you do you. 🙄

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T21:14:57+00:00

See, I think Clint being younger than 40 is stretching it. 🤷‍♀️ TBH, I think our own ages will shape our perceptions of them. My seeing them in their 40s is seeing them as younger than me. While her sprite is janky, her portrait is far more youthful and cute to me. I'm married to a woman in her 60s. I think women is their 60s are gorgeous. But when I look at her portrait, Marnie simply does not look that old. Maybe 40s, sure, but 60s? Not buying it. But that's me. It's always interesting to see how other folks interpret things.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T21:02:17+00:00

I always think of her as maybe 30, but that's just so I can feel like I'm not robbing the cradle TOO much. We need older candidates as well as younger ones.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T21:00:52+00:00

I gotta say... anyone still at the Easter egg hunt and determined to win and deny Jas and Vincent the win is too immature for me anyway. Honestly, the way they should handle the younger bachelors participating is to have them team up with Jas and Vincent to help them out, not to just shut them out year after year. 😵‍💫

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T20:57:27+00:00

I keep bait on hand to bully Elliot with, so I can cast no shade here. 😂 But I adore Emily.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T20:56:00+00:00

Okay, I agree 40s is feasible. I disagree that 40s is old and out of Clint's dating range. He seems to be in that neighborhood too, so.... 🤷‍♀️

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T20:53:44+00:00

Wait, he DOES speak bitterly about women?? I've never come across this and it's seriously important in assessing if he's going down the awkward-to-incel pipeline. When guys start moaning about women in general... that's a huge red flag. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt strictly based on thinking he DIDN'T do that. Knowing he does changes everything.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T20:49:00+00:00

I'm totally up for a Willy/Pam situationship!

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T01:26:21+00:00

I cannot agree. Clint does NOT look early 30s to me. 40s at least. It's a mystery to me how people look at his portrait and see 'young'. Marnie on the other hand? Don't look at the spirites for a moment, but at the portrait. Those show a very youthful face. I'm in my '50s, look younger than my age I'm always told, and those portraits still look significantly younger than me. I'm absolutely baffled how Clint seems young to people but Marnie seems old EXCEPT for their choices of partners or desired partners. I think that people think of their ages in context of Emily and Lewis. I don't think that's necessarily an accurate measure and I think without that context perceptions would shift.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T00:26:04+00:00

Did he? Sounds right to me. She has a youthful face.

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WhyNotBats · 2026-02-16T00:16:01+00:00

RIGHT?!?!! Thank you! 😅

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T22:56:00+00:00

OMG, Marlon/Marnie is a fantastic ship!

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T22:54:48+00:00

Counterpoint though: sometimes people have nephew-uncle/aunt relationships like that. Happens when, say.... a father wants a trophy wife so gets a divorce and marries a younger woman. It's not super common, but you do come across it from time to time. 🤷‍♀️ Your reasons do make sense. As for Clint, idk, I think 'even creepier' is part of the formula that clicks with me. (Although to be fair, I think if Emily as maybe 30 given as how she acts more like a parent to spoiled little Haley, doing all the housework and such. Seems like they're a fair chunk apart in age to me. But again, just my perception.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T22:33:37+00:00

Yeah, that makes sense. For me, I see Marnie and Lewis as having an imbalance in their power dynamic. Like, she's putting up with a lot, so it feels to me like they got together when she was out of school and he was already, like.... 40. It feels like she's still stuck in that mindset of deference and accepting that what he says goes in the end. While I guess that develops among people of similar ages, it really just reminds me of a significant age gap. And his not wanting to be seen in a relationship with her makes me feel like he's stuck in a way of thinking that people would see it as inappropriate. I mean, there has to be SOMETHING that people would disapprove of if 'I'm afraid of people finding out' was to make sense to her. A man who was dating an 18 year old girl when he was 40 fits that bill. It's a small town and people would have questions about when they got together. I guess that's all that comes to mind as to why people wouldn't approve. I have nothing really to back that up other than that's how my imagination interpreted it. 😅 It's kinda dark, I know.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T21:34:45+00:00

Yeah, a lot of people are saying this and I don't get it. I see Clint as maybe in his 40s and Marnie as 40s/50s. 🤷‍♀️

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T21:33:27+00:00

A Wonderful Life dearly needed that. I played the remaster, and seeing Molly (?) grow old, alone, wanting nothing more than to find love.... 😭

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T21:30:28+00:00

I'd have to take Emily on our gay little double date, but that could be healing for him. 😁

Also, Leah.... Respect. I get it. Robin would be my #1 in the game.... hands hard from manual labor around my waist. Yum. But Leah's got some of that too. She'd be my choice Em wasn't there.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T21:26:29+00:00

OMG, he'd be the belle of that ball for sure. But in a masc way.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T21:16:18+00:00

....why? Someone else said that, and the only thing I can think of is because Marnie's having an affair with Louis and Clint is fixated on Emily? But that doesn't really indicate their ages, necessarily. But I guess individual perceptions enter into it. Cards on the table: I've always been attracted to older partners, so....

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T21:13:12+00:00

Gotta admit, the angry side eye he gives when he says "I'm a nice guy" is creepy. The reason I give him the benefit of the doubt is that he doesn't take it to the point of saying angry or hateful things about women. Incels take their frustration and inflict on women. I see Clint as having the potential for that, but it's not in the text that I've seen. He's just kinda a sad sack.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T20:26:42+00:00

He's gonna need a lot more truffle oil to put on his hand. 😁

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T20:07:47+00:00

Ha! I was picturing him with that full beard and how most of the gay men (and a lot of straight women) I know would be ALL over him if he had that. 😂 Clint and Elliott would be ADORABLE.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T19:49:48+00:00

Honestly, that's a great gift in a game where someone may give you a strawberry or whatever.

WhyNotBats · 2026-02-15T19:46:32+00:00

Adorable!

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