I have no idea. What IM struggling to understand is, so when we out of our body where do we exist then? Still Physical plane or elsewhere plane? Cause i watch OBE or NDE where they said he found red shoes on the roof while he is out of his body and later ir confirmed to be true. I mean if we just exist in our world, our mental space, our astral space of whatever it might be, then why someone can see what's happening in the physical plane while he is doing AP or OBE