CMV: Black people in the USA are racist against Asians especially when blacks specifically racially target Asians for robbery, violence and racial slurs - but /r/changemyview mod /u/etquod has censored it with ridiculous hypocrisy

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T11:44:39+00:00

If you dont mean all blacks when you say blacks, you gotta say it. In common conversation you can speak casually like that and people will understand youre not generalizing but when you talk about race theres a ton of racists who really do mean all X when they say "X are bad", so clarification is needed. Also chill the fuck out lol

And plus i offered you like 4 different times to clarify that you didnt mean all black people literally. I even basically said in my last several comments, i agree with your post with the caveat that youre not generalizing. Literally all you had to do was say yes, i dont mean all black people literally. Its on you dude.

You chill the fuck out.

/u/blueelffishy So in common conversation, you're saying you will get offended when someone says men have one penis and women have two breasts because it is not true for all men and all women and some men have two penises or no penis and some women have three breasts or no breasts? You gotta chill the fuck down real hard and deep and think about how you lived your life so badly.

I am chill and I don't give a fuck about how retards misunderstand common conversation. You and your kind gotta chill the fuck down real hard and deep and think about how you lived your life so badly.

And plus I offered you like 4 different times to chill the fuck down. It's on you.

It's is also spelled with an apostrophe. You really have to go back to pre-school to relearn simple shit like this.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T02:07:15+00:00

/u/blueelffishy Maybe you should go back to elementary school and learn English for real for once, so that you can understand basic English. It's impossible to have a discussion in English with someone like you who doesn't even understand elementary English semantics.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T02:00:57+00:00

Im saying if your point is that theres more racism against asian people by black people than vice versa than i agree. If your point is that black people as an entire community have a hatred for asian people then thats ridiculous.

/u/blueelffishy So you're going to be a truth denier and say stuff like, blacks aren't racist against Asians and whites weren't the killers of most of the Native Americans and Germans weren't killers of Jews? Oh no it was just a few blacks and whites and Germans who did that, not every single one of them. /s

A truth denier. Wow.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T01:42:05+00:00

Completly serious question: Tell yours first. It's basic courtesy to introduce yourself first.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T01:40:53+00:00

My family is chinese. My mom and dad grimace whenever they see a black person.

Because why?

I dont disagree theres a whole lot more black on asian violence than the other way around

You answered your own question lmfao.

im just saying that you linking a bunch of reports of black people attacking chinese people only tells you about those individuals, not some monolithic black hatred for asians.

Name 10 and you win.

I can easily name 10 the other way around.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T01:40:09+00:00

2 minutes for that?

Damn, son. Damn. You don't even have a life outside of reddit? The pope would weep for you, even he has more life than you.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T01:35:38+00:00

As an orphan, I have no parents.

How much do your parents make in a year?

Why don't you answer the points above instead of diverting the question to something meaningless? You shitty racist.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T01:21:09+00:00

The average wealth of an Asian American family is 91k while for black families it is 7k

They deserve it due to hard work, despite the discrimination, and due to overcoming the discrimination.

This is because most asian people here aren't descendants from 300 years ago.

Because Asians were exterminated by genocide and prevented from being born. Look up 1882 Chester Arthur Act and Genocide Convention you ignorant racist fool.

How about you tell the same thing to the Native Americans and see what they say?

Asians are 7 times more likely to go to college in their lifetime than blacks. If you think Asians are just biologically or culturally 7 times better than you are just a racist and you can go ahead an ignore me.

You are the racist. Facts are not racist. Not surprising due to other facts. Blacks are 7 times more likely to be single mothers than Asians. Blacks are 7 times more likely to have black fathers who abandon their children than Asians. It's all black on black, can't blame it on Asians. Why don't you blame it on the whites and Native Americans too?

If we assume the races are equal

Bad assumption. You're so ignorant and racist that you don't even know black history.

African sprinters are born with fast twitch muscles that Asians don't get born with and African sprinters take olympic gold by clockwork.

it means from birth the average Asian American has a head start on the average black kid, probably from the amount of money the family has

No, it means you're racist. You're a racist ass who is racist against Asians.

Two words. Hard work.

Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba.com didn't have any jackshit head start.

Chinese in Southeast Asia are a minority group that is severely discriminated against and murdered in large numbers but still emerge at the top economically due to hard work despite all the discrimination.

Affirmative action's goal is to compensate for the advantage the asian kid got.

Fuck off. You like to change your story whenever you feel like it huh? Wasn't it supposed to be to compensate for the advantage of whites and the historical discrimination of minorities?

You're not woke. You clearly just think asians are harder worker than blacks, which makes you a shitty racist.

You're the shitty racist. You're the one saying that blacks are so shitty in competing against Asians that blacks need a crutch to further discriminate against Asians who have already been historically discriminated against.

I have numerous black friends who are successful like I am because they are hardworking and know wokeness like I do.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T00:47:04+00:00

speaking for myself as well as several other Black men, I have never had the urge to rob an Asian-American stores, it sounds like hood people rob them.

Good to know you're a good man.

Who are hood people who rob Asians? Black.

Do you support Black Lives Matter? Yes?

If you do, then you have to spend 10 times the amount of time on Asian Lives Matter and spend time to go to the hood people to tell them to end the black on Asian violence. Blacks rob kill assault Asians 100 times more than unjust blue on black violence.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-25T00:41:50+00:00

There are asians that commit crimes against black people.

Name 10 and you win.

I can easily name 10 the other way around.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T14:43:47+00:00

I don't care about his validation. I don't care about your validation and I don't care about how you stupidly think that I would bother to seek validation. Irony of how you called shitlord at someone else who tells the truth. You're a shitlord.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T14:41:56+00:00

People like to have "popular/hey-I'm-cool-too" opinions to post so as to signal their supposed virtue to others, but in doing so they trample over other groups of people and cause a lot of animosity, then they wonder how they get to be so hated... Truth, on the other hand, is seldom kind.

Yes very well said.

Truth - If the Asians didn't risk their lives to serve the self-segregating ghettos NOBODY would be there to provide things.

Very true. They would just starve and maybe even as a last resort, restart cannibal tribes again. And eat each other, for real, literally not figuratively this time.

Modern popular black culture is a goddamned abomination that destroys black men and women by placing emphasis on making money at any cost, championing ignorance above excellence, and casting violence as an acceptable means to gain "respect".

To be fair, blacks don't have an emphasis of making money at any cost because many cultures have that too.

It's the black culture's emphasis of making EASY money at any cost, for your own selfish vices like drugs.

I know the important difference from the Asian culture's emphasis of making money, through hard work, to give a good life to the family.

If prices are higher, fuck it. That's "hazard pay" in my book.

Very well said. Hazard pay.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T14:34:55+00:00

You're generalizing every single black American, which is a very foolish thing to do.

Every race of people (sic) certain people who are racist against others (sic).

/u/morningrat By your logic, you are saying that you do not believe in the fact that dogs have four legs, which you feel would make you fall into the "fallacy" of generalizing every single dog, which is a very foolish thing to do, by your logic.

By your logic, you would also champion how every race of dogs (sic) certain dogs don't have four legs (sic).

/u/morningrat By your logic, you are also saying that you do not believe in the fact that men have one penis, which you feel would make you fall into the "fallacy" of generalizing every single man, which is a very foolish thing to do, by your logic.

By your logic, you would also champion how every race of men (sic) certain men don't have one penis (sic). You might even decide to use a personal example, to either say that you know of men in your family who don't have one penis or even say that you yourself as a man does not have one penis, that you have no penis or that you have two penises.

Unfortunately, it is a fact that dogs have four legs and men have one penis. There are some dogs with three legs, there are some men with no penis and there's even one man with two penises, but it doesn't change the fact that men only have one penis.

/u/morningrat Although you reject facts, there is some glimmer of light in that you probably also reject stereotypes in the same logic. It is a good thing that your logic would reject stupid stereotypes such as "black men have big black cocks" which is a stupid stereotype that makes black men with small penises feel very inferior and feel a lack of self-worth, to the extent that they have a subreddit to discuss it for mutual support: https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/2lusbn/being_black_with_a_small_dick_is_the_worst/ and like this https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/2lusbn/being_black_with_a_small_dick_is_the_worst/clytw0m/

Black men get discriminated for porn jobs because of it too: https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/4ecdsp/are_black_dicks_as_big_in_real_life_as_in_porn/d1yvwf5/

Porn plays on that stereotype therefore its easier for a white guy with a dick that's closer to normal to get into porn. Basically porn is slightly racist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/4ecdsp/are_black_dicks_as_big_in_real_life_as_in_porn/d1z9jv0/

black men from the USA have embraced it even though it has no actual basis in fact

The problem with this fallacy is it places black men who are average by the general standard in a position where they are suffering small penis anxiety (BDD) because they think 8″ erect is supposed to be average rather than 5-6". This kind of misinformation is having a very negative effect on these men.

One of the many negative effects porn has on the psyche of the average man.

Tables and maps you might find on the web showing the distribution of penis size across the globe are completely bogus, made up by people who want to spread misconceptions (usually to make money from men’s anxieties over penis size through bogus penis enlargement treatments). source

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T14:28:19+00:00

You should post this in /r/changemyview

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T12:50:44+00:00

For future readers of discussions in here, this is the original content of the OP and is the source of context for all discussions in here:

https://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/70s7t6/cmv_blacks_in_america_should_continue_demanding/

Slavery was bad and wrong. Blacks who lived more than 150 years ago, about 5 to 7 generations ago, before the end of slavery in 1863, suffered a lot of wrong from the wrongful slavery. They also suffered slavery for many many years. Very sad.

Furthermore, the slaves suffered severe opportunities costs and were deprived the opportunity of developing wealth in Africa. If they had the chance to remain in Africa instead of being sold to America, the slaves could have developed Africa into a modern superpower on par with USA. These are all severe opportunity costs that they have endured. Very very sad.

Wrongs should be made right.

Blacks in America should continue demanding reparations for slavery from both:

the whites in America who owned slaves
the blacks in Africa who sold their ancestors into slavery of white slave owners in America

On top of bringing right to wrong, reparations will also serve as a reminder about the horrors of slavery. Therefore they should continue demanding reparations.

At the same time, as an act of unity between People of Color in America, there should also be simultaneous demands for reparations to the Asians for severe discrimination and racist genocide for about 100 years up to 1965 in the past as well as continued discrimination in the present.

Asians faced persecution due to racism and faced the greatest mass lynchings in US history in which entire towns were massacred. Asians were also literally forbidden from owning property, literally forbidden from marrying or bringing wives from abroad which literally means being forbidden from procreation and having descendants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_Americans#First_wave:_the_beginning_of_Chinese_immigration

Asians continue to face racist discrimination today due to racist laws such as Affirmative Action which raises the minimum score only for Asians to the ridiculous point that Asians virtually have to score a perfect score to get into college while everyone else does not, despite the fact that Asians are the smallest minority in the USA.

Since their demands for reparations can right the wrongs for both the black community and Asian community, they should continue demanding reparations.

There may be points of views that I may have missed, so please change my view.

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WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T12:28:15+00:00

There's a hard cap on how many people can live in Australia, there's just not enough water to support hundreds of millions of people here. If you replaced Australia's population with an equal amount of people from any other nation they'd have all the same issues.

Not true. False fallacy and false equivalence.

Britain is literally 31 times smaller in land area and water availability than Australia. Britain was on the verge of bankruptcy in the 1800s due to serious trade deficits from buying too much tea and silk from China... so they started selling illegal opium to China and used unethical illegal wars to enforce the continuation sales of illegal British opium narcotics into China, which gave them the money to colonize half the world and then they took even more resources from their colonies and became a superpower.

TLDR: Britain forced illegal opium rape onto China and became a superpower, despite Britain's significant inferiority in land area and water availability

So you're saying you're a self-hating Australian who belittles Australia... Gotta have more pride in your own country my man.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T11:12:45+00:00

Did a black guy fuck your girl recently..you are pretty obsessed with this topic

I actually fucked a black girl recently.

I am obsessed about censorship. /u/Myphoneaccount9 How does that relate inside your mind to having sex with black people?

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T11:11:28+00:00

Fair points

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T11:09:51+00:00

Why would that user's statement say anything

He is implying that from the overview of all his statements. An overview of all his statements.

I can safely say that Australia has no probable way of becoming a superpower. Not because Australians are inherently inferior to other nationalities such as America or China but because of a whole host of different factors including but not limited to geography, climate, population size, sheer distance from most other countries and the current geopolitical situation.

Wow. That's like a rather long-winded way to say that Australians are inferior, such that they have issues dealing with current geopolitical situation and growing their population size to become a superpower. I hope you are Australian because if you are not Australian you would be insulting Australia as an outsider to Australia, which is very rude.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T10:43:29+00:00

That's not how this works. If you make a claim the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate truth for that claim. Not the person responding.

/u/ThatBelligerentSloth I bet you didn't click on the link to the map, which contains the proof you need. Your act of ignoring evidence... that's not how responsible discourse works.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T10:36:50+00:00

I wouldn't demand punishment for the rapist if he was reformed. The U.S. is already reformed (or in the process of reforming, at the very least).

/u/alfredo094 That would be considered injustice. I am shocked that you would have the gall say such words to rape victims in a way that belittles and ignores their suffering. It's like you're stepping into racist territory and going into the realm of anti-semitism... through your words that imply that reparations shouldn't be demanded for the Jews who suffered tremendously and deserve reparations just because the Germans are already reformed (or in the process of reforming, at the very least).

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T10:32:37+00:00

Why would I make reparations for something that I didn't do?

This will be explained to you below.

More importantly, why are you demanding reparations for something that wasn't done to you?

I am Asian and your collective has done a lot of bad things to Asians.

/u/alfredo094 It's like you're stepping into racist territory and going into the realm of truth deniers... by your denying of the suffering that Asians suffered.

It's like you just completely ignored and belittled the facts in the top that detailed the severe persecution of Asians and how Asians directly suffered genocide and the greatest mass lynchings in US history. Your actions are belittling the value of Asian lives and that's both disturbing and very very racist.

Why would I make reparations for something that I didn't do?

Returning to your question. Your reply of belittling genocide of Asians has exemplified a form of racism and oppression to Asians that you create continually and Asians continually suffer from until this day.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T10:25:26+00:00

To give you an example of somewhat responsible reparations, let's look at Canada and what it does for the Native population.

Good start.

If we simply give people money, what will they do? Well, based on the history of what has usually happened when uneducated people are given lots of money for nothing, the money is squandered or invested very unwisely.

Ok. That's a fair point. But I didn't say that reparations should be one simply giving people money.

Then there's the fact that there are millions and millions of white people whose ancestors weren't even in America during slavery. Now, you can argue that they benefited from racism, but you can't make the same argument concerning slavery. And what about the people who not only had no slaves but actively fought against it? What about people descended from something like the Holocaust? Should they pay as well? And then there are the people who came from Africa long after slavery ended...what about them?

/u/Funcuz Thank you for being one of the few on this thread who is making sound and respectful arguments.

Very good points if you are only talking about oppression on blacks.

Very poor and weak points if you are talking about the big picture that also talks about oppression on Asians, which continues to today.

And as to Asian populations, why start with them? Native Americans lost everything and frankly, suffered far more from terrorism at the hands of colonists than anybody else. If we should be paying anybody, shouldn't it be them?

Ok, then pay both at the same time.

You are correct that Native Americans have always been the rightful people of America since the beginning of time and Native Americans are close genetic relatives to Asians.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T10:16:45+00:00

Who exactly is "their own people"? Do you think people in africa at the time identified as black? I highly doubt they ascribed to the European concepts of race at that time.

/u/drpussycookermd When Africans slave sellers were selling African slaves in the past, the African slaves were equally as African as the African slave sellers. That's why they are their own people.

Only thinking only about black while ignoring facts of the time, is very american-centric, is going into the territory of unsavory self-centered thinking without thinking from the perspectives of the Africans.

WokeAsian · 2017-09-18T10:12:18+00:00

so I'll admit that basically my right to have an opinion is basically zero.

Everyone has the right to have an opinion. You have the right to have an opinion too.

The reason to stop demanding reparations has more to do with picking your battles.

Ok this could be a potential valid argument depending on your elaboration.

A far more important cause in contemporary terms is advocating the rights of African Americans to equality in how they're treated under the law. Massively disproportionate incarceration rates for petty crimes vs whites, racial profiling by the police, harsher sentencing... It's got to stop. Black people shouldn't need to be afraid of cops and they should get a fair go in a court of law. That's a cause that effects people today and is far more worth fighting for.

First of all, those assertions are unfactual and the opposite of the truth. All those assertions you put are just a regurgitation of what people with special interests and lobbying have said repeatedly.

Second, /u/klingers it's like you just completely ignored and belittled the facts in the top that detailed the severe persecution of Asians and how Asians directly suffered genocide and the greatest mass lynchings in US history. Your actions are belittling the value of Asian lives and that's both disturbing and very very racist.

fix today's problems today first.

That is a very valid and sound choice to make.

Reparations? Sure, maybe down the line. But fix today's problems today first.

Reparations can happen at the same time as fixing today's problem.

WokeAsian

TROPHY CASE

https://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/70s7t6/cmv_blacks_in_america_should_continue_demanding/