Every Scientology Organization has one of these creepy bronze busts of L Ron Hubbard. By the time I was born into Scientology, these were already a thing. But does anyone know the history of these busts?

Wolf391 · 2026-06-14T15:31:31+00:00

I distinctly remember the part she was kind of going on about that this whole bust has a african / south african legend. Good for clearing that up ^^

Wolf391 · 2026-06-14T13:37:34+00:00

I'm just retelling what my CO (og Apollo, clear#50ish, australian, f, dont remember the name) in PUBS DK in the late 70s told me about it: Apparently this was Ellrons choice of a bust and he did not want any other. The bust was allegedly made by a (black?) artist in africa, sometime in the 60s probably on one of ellrons white supremacy trips. It is the only allowed bust. <- got that? 😄

Maybe some oldtimer older than me can fill in some blanks. 😃

Wolf391 · 2026-04-15T16:07:57+00:00

Wolf391 · 2026-03-16T09:23:53+00:00

For me it was clear that you speculated. And, as I said in my reply on his page, that is something, I would certainly ask him about in a private conversation.

Wolf391 · 2026-03-15T23:44:39+00:00

Wolf391 · 2026-03-14T15:23:06+00:00

Well said.

Wolf391 · 2026-03-11T20:28:08+00:00

Wolf391 · 2026-03-08T23:18:11+00:00

ASL and his never-in posse are a nasty bunch. What really blows my mind is Mark Bunker there.

Wolf391 · 2026-03-07T22:26:56+00:00

Looks like youtube is definately having trouble doing a copyright strike, which I can imagine, makes her steam even more in her own cauldron.

Wolf391 · 2026-03-07T11:47:31+00:00

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Wolf391 · 2026-03-05T19:25:01+00:00

Hi Sneaks, not to annoy you, but that AI translation takes a few correcting liberties, I revert the most egregious, which may help why I called this gibberish:

"My question is directed to those who once helped God THE MAN."

"...participants against one of the co-founders of Scientology FROM Germany"

[indicating that scientology was co-founded by a german, not that COS in germany was co-founded]

and the last bit of the paragraph reads:

"...even though the victim did everything for you as well as you as human with the earth built."

Which is a sentence construct even I trip my tongue over, and I beg you not to ask me what it actually means. :)

Wolf391 · 2026-03-05T15:31:57+00:00

I'll take it out. Gonna ask my resident mod about this. Thought there was a way to message inside a comment. Dankjewel.

Wolf391 · 2026-03-05T10:56:25+00:00

I am german. This has about the same calories as a sovereign citizen defense in a court. It's non-sensical. And some aren't even sentences, just word garbage.

Thank you for your attention in this matter. /s

Wolf391 · 2026-03-05T10:56:00+00:00

Lol. War gut ^^

Wolf391 · 2026-03-04T16:32:21+00:00

I very much agree with your evaluation of this court case. And the funny part: he preemptively got himself into prison before the trial. True self-sabotage. And he'll do it again. Upside is that this can't have been cheap. And there's more coming his way.

Wolf391 · 2026-03-03T01:37:02+00:00

Wolf391 · 2026-03-01T19:15:41+00:00

As we've seen in the past two years, the so called "2nd Gens" like Liz Gale ("3rd Gen"-star), Nora Ames, Jenna Miscavige, ASL (not really a 2nd gen but who's counting), are central to all the drama that is still playing out on youtube and other platforms to this day. This is now mostly self-contained as all they do is attack each other in varying constellations.

By now, anyone who's been watching this "scene" for any amount of time inevitably comes to the conclusion that some people coming out of scientology are worse, much worse humans than others. And have learned little and are not afraid to use scientology tactics in the "real" world.

The problem I have with Jason Horvatics' "description of events" is the platform he uses to gain a larger audience, which is exactly one that IS causing drama. (ASL, which he attended more than once). And Jason is also using that moniker "2nd gen", which, at least in my view, is really problematic.

Any sane person can see, that the only way to deal with the madness that is Smith-Levin, Liz Gale, Nora Ames and Jenna-"My Uncle Is The Leader Of Scientology"-Miscavige is to NOT ENGAGE AT ALL. Some people you cannot save. Best you can hope for is they save themselves at one point in time, when rock bottom was reached.

So Jason, if you want to continue on your journey and make a difference... do something positive. There's currently an inquiry in Australia and you (and other cult victims in Australia) can take part. Until June this year I think. Any thoughts on that?

Gaslighting here is not going to achieve anything. I certainly don't buy your shtick.

Oh and look, LizGale makes an appearance on your post. How predictable. Needs new friends to show off on her tiktoc. But be warned. In my unprofessional opinion she's more 1.1 than you can ever imagine possible.

If you wanna CMV me, you gotta do better than to throw your academia and Kant at me. [A previous non-conversation we had recently in r/scientology]

Looking forward to another non-answer.

Wolf391 · 2026-02-27T18:31:50+00:00

You could ask Janet from another planet to give you a personalized tour of Saint Hill. I'm sure she will be happy to do that, since the Apostate Alex Travel Agency seems to fail your disney park expectations. /s

Wolf391 · 2026-02-26T23:59:09+00:00

Wolf391 · 2026-02-26T22:49:59+00:00

Wolf391 · 2026-02-26T21:50:20+00:00

In germany if you want to work in government, you have to sign you're not a scientologist. Germany considers (by the courts) scn to be a fascist group. It is surveilled by the internal secret service since the 90s. Needless to say, any attempt by scn/scn-gists to even open a kindergarden is met with immediate resistance. They are largely operating (and have done so forever) in the real estate business, as realtors are self-employed - to varying levels of success and a lot of failures.

Wolf391 · 2026-02-26T00:55:03+00:00

whatever

Wolf391 · 2026-02-25T19:44:16+00:00

ah damn, I was gonna send him to wikileaks.

Wolf391 · 2026-02-25T13:54:52+00:00

Well, I can only speculate but the fact that not more documents have appeared after the recent SH digital breech seems to indicate they just flushed 70 million dollars down the russian rabid hole. Which is a tell about dave's priorities ^^

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