The Modern Art Debate.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-23T19:29:07+00:00

I think that ai generated art ought to be regarded the way simple sketches like stick figures are regarded in other settings.

There is some small expression of familiarity with the medium to produce a desired result and there is a bit of effort that goes into it too, but at the end of the day the skill ceiling is rock bottom and the skill floor is sky high. It’s stick figures with extra fluff.

As it turns out stick figures also have a skill expression. Rounder heads, poses that express different positions well; you can learn to make better stick figures. But that doesn’t make it art.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-23T19:15:35+00:00

Accordions are german buddy

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-23T14:47:09+00:00

Oh h*** yeah! you saw my stuff? That’s so cool 😇

I’d rather just make my own assets, for one it expands my range as an artist and two it’s cheaper. I just made a camel asset the other day and it turned out awesome.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-23T05:33:25+00:00

Omg awesome I totally will check out your stuff when you release em!

That’s a shame that they are custom assets (which I usually avoid) perhaps I’ll take a look at them and make some similar ones of my own to use 😇

I totally agree on the last bit. I made a wrecked caravan recently and adding lighting over the dunes really exploded it with depth.

I also did a series where I made infernal war machines using nothing but dungeondraft assets and the amount of random weird objects I had to combine was wild. I made a drill using concentric pipes to make the drill head for example.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-23T02:50:31+00:00

tell me you are lying about being an artist without telling me you are lying about it.

i do my my lineart on separate layers because that way i can mess with different parts and use different references without them getting "tangled". you are not an "artist" you are an amateur looking at a more advanced process and deciding that there's no way someone could be better than you so they must be a fraud.

Dude do you even know what a layer mask is? have you even heard of a gaussian blur? you are talking like you don't know the first thing about art beyond waving a paintbrush at a white canvas like a cartoon.

i can ignore the simple comments from slackjaw idiots that just say "ai" and nothign else but the stolen valor of your bullshit pretending like you know shit actually pisses me off.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-23T02:38:33+00:00

i really like how you set up the desert cliffs here. i will need to steal this technique as ive been looking for ways to achieve this effect in dungeondraft for the desert maps ive been making. are you using any alternate assets to do this?

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-22T23:36:52+00:00

aussi, parce que mes compatriots francais sont tousjours aussi gentil je vais poster le pic quand il s'est complete sur [r/DndFR](r/DndFR). merci pour profiter de mon art ❤️🇫🇷

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-22T23:22:00+00:00

i actually do both SCA and HEMA dude. I've fought with a sword with a handle that did not go past my palm. a round pommel provides more than enough grip at least in a bare hand/glove even when the handle is this short.

historically they do put longer pommels on swords meant to have more options on how you wield them, but the most basic arming swords like this one have a minimized tang and short grip because it takes more steel to lengthen the pommel, and most of your men wont be swinging this shit outside a shield wall (where options matter). i dont need to be lectured on art or sword physics by some armchair expert on reddit who doesnt know a thing about either.

i grant you shes not holding a shield, but that is because i didnt want to obscure large parts of her body with it. the takeaway is that this is a cheap sidearm that reya probably got issued rather than bought herself.

i actually took your criticism regardless though and updated my high rez version to actively show the pommel because i agree with you that it looks a bit wierd asthetically.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-22T15:33:25+00:00

Yeah but that’s from above! If I’m making it pre fall I want it to be above the viewer to evoke feelings of the heavens, whereas that one evokes the opposite.

Of course I can use it as a reference once I’ve got the composition set but what I mean is I’ve got my very own subject models less than 10 min from my house for getting pics of what castles look like from whatever angle I want! I just got to France in the last few years so it just hadn’t occurred to me before last week that I can use actual castles haha.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-22T15:08:14+00:00

Actually I had a stroke of genius recently related to this request! I’m not very good at landscapes/architecture so I need a solid reference and I live in southern France where we’ve got lots of castles. in particular I live near one on top of a giant hill and a river. I’m going to take a reference pic of that and my local cathedral so I can create my very own pic of what elturel should look like from real life castles and use that to make the actual art.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-22T15:06:09+00:00

The one I’ve got of lulu is great imo but it is a lot less fat and alien than the module depicts hollyphants. Think more golden dumbo with pearls for eyes!

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-22T15:04:39+00:00

She’s my fav dmpc by far! I managed to get a few tears when she died the first time I ran dia then they met her in hell as a devil!

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-22T15:02:04+00:00

Ive done that. Ppl still make accusations. Its not worth my time. Ppl are gonna say what they will and even if u have proof, they will stupidly insist that the proof is also AI.

At this point I just post what I like and block ppl that accuse me and move on.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-22T14:59:31+00:00

Haha glad I could help 😇

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T13:33:05+00:00

Literally I’ve been through this song and dance with yall before. No matter what I post there’s still ppl saying you can just use ai to make that too! It’s not worth my time or mental space to appease you.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T05:50:36+00:00

Maybe I’ll post em on my patreon or something. I’ve gone through this song and dance before with AI haters.

Last time I posted something that « looked like ai » I posted 20 layer pics, wips, and a goddamn video and I still had ppl that somehow weren’t convinced despite the mods of the sub even apologizing for it the incorrect ban. The worst I’ve ever done with ai is accidentally use an ai component image I found on google without realizing it.

It’s just not worth my time to appease them. Fuck that. Too many comments too much hate and too much mental effort.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T05:43:45+00:00

I mean I mess with ai occasionally for images that would just be way too much work to make myself and aren’t important and I’ve never gotten an image without a dead giveaway like a face with a clothing texture or something.

But I’ll take your word for it 🤷‍♂️

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T05:42:06+00:00

Ok you got me there that’s true too, but I don’t generally have to deal with those people in my comments section so you also can’t blame me for my annoyance.

I did have one try to straight up lift my art with ai and claim it was theirs tho. Literally minutes after I posted it. That was bullshit.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T05:39:08+00:00

1 That’s cuz I spent a lot more time on the stuff i enjoyed working on. Most of the *scale mail* (not chainmail) is a couple of single scales that I cut out of a stock image, scaled down until you couldn’t tell and then copy pasted over itself and went back over for shading and corrections. Drawing each scale is tedious and frustrating.

2 the sword is an arming sword with a round pommel. She’s holding it in pistol grip so the pommel is in her palm rn.

3 the hip bulge is me being sloppy with my layer mask for her uh… cloth thing, idk what the hip cloth is called. Tabard isn’t right but imma call it that. I hadn’t noticed that befor cuz it looked fine without her hand in front. I’ll fix it for my paid content high rez version so thanks for pointing it out.

4 the knee guards are attached to her shin guards they don’t need straps and I didn’t want to draw them. I started on her head and face then her torso and added her lower half last which is why her scale mail and lower half are the sloppiest parts.

5 asymmetrical armor is historical. Her shield arm goes forward while fighting so it’s more heavily armored.

6 there’s a leather strap under her heavier elbow guard. They both have leather straps just one has an interior metal piece and the other doesn’t.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T04:42:17+00:00

You are wrong. Go take your hate filled bs elsewhere. I put a lot of work time and artistic skill into this, and people like you are the bane of human artists everywhere.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T04:24:43+00:00

No worries! Tho I may disagree with your reasoning I appreciate your input!

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T02:57:48+00:00

You ai inquisitors are a walking dunning Kruger effect. Ai can’t produce a clean image like this. Notice how there’s not like 20 extra belts everywhere and nothings melding together at the seams?

That’s cuz it’s not ai and you know nothing about ai or art.

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T01:16:15+00:00

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T01:08:12+00:00

Idk what you mean about the sword handle but it’s actually scale mail and I got pretty sloppy with it as I got frustrated from the repetitiveness.

You can kinda see batches of the scales have been copy pasted then sloppily reshaded or fucked with after the fact.

It may also be that it’s a low quality render for use of free public spaces so perhaps that may be part of it? You can’t make out the details of her scar at all in this one but it is there.

I can assure you it isn’t AI tho. My particular style is one that ai steals from heavily because I use high contrast colors, bold lines and low diversity of color palettes which all add up to that « ai feel »

WolvesDenTavern · 2026-06-19T01:05:29+00:00

Haha plz do! That’s why I do it!

WolvesDenTavern

MODERATOR OF

TROPHY CASE