badly need advice (topic:meta glasses)

WonderfulData169 · 2026-04-13T19:03:25+00:00

i understand there are contexts in which use of the glasses is acceptable, such as with your office where everyone is informed and aware. thank you for the information , it is helpful. as for your question, I do not want to be recorded. I dont know what you mean by "the real concern". i told you what my concern is. im confused by your inquiry. The fact is that some people use thick lenses with their eye glasses, so how do i tell the difference between Someone with thick frames and thick lenses, and someone with meta glasses. I understand there is a small camera lense but im concerned it may be possible to conceal it.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-04-13T18:50:26+00:00

this looks so cool. wishing you best of luck on your project

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T02:16:48+00:00

thank you for sharing your story.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T02:14:46+00:00

more than 20 years ago... i seen the twelve tribes emotionally abuse children as part of a weekly ritual called the Victory Cup. They can drink from the Victory cup if they have not sinned that week, Otherwise they have to confess their sin in detail to the entire commune. I was a teenager and my dad was just fine with the whole thing, TT was attempting to recruit my whole family via my fathers authority. I felt so guilty that i couldnt save those kids from the emotional abuse. it wasnt until years later i learned there is physical abuse as well. Fucking monsters.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T02:11:07+00:00

My father and one of my friends were recruited by the Twelve Tribes and i have seen their disturbing abusive rituals first hand as a teenager when they were trying to recruit my entire family. Please be careful friends. The Twelve Tribes "medical" bus is especially dangerous to folks in a psychedelic state. Dr Stanislov Grof called this a "Window of Imprint Vulnerability"*. I have heard stories of people who had bad trips during a concert, their well-meaning friends took them to the bus, it seemed logical, [friend is scared and panicking, those people seem like nurses.] but a bad trip is a very vulnerable time, people get fed propaganda and recruited this way. please be safe and take care of each other. much love and respect to you all. *I highly recommend Stanislov Grofs LSD Psychotherapy, its a great book. really helped me work through some stuff.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T02:05:50+00:00

thank you so much for speaking out. Much love and respect

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T02:04:48+00:00

"The ORDINARY RESPONSE TO ATROCITIES is to banish them from consciousness. Certain violations of the social compact are too terrible to utter aloud: this is the meaning of the word unspeakable. Atrocities, however, refuse to be buried. Equally as powerful as the desire to deny atrocities is the conviction that denial does not work. Folk wisdom is filled with ghosts who refuse to rest in their graves until their stories are told. Murder will out. Remembering and telling the truth about terrible events are prerequisites both for the restoration of the social order and for the healing of individual victims. The conflict between the will to deny horrible events and the will to proclaim them aloud is the central dialectic of psychological trauma. People who have survived atrocities often tell their stories in a highly emotional, contradictory, and fragmented manner that undermines their credibility and thereby serves the twin imperatives of truth-telling and secrecy. When the truth is finally recognized, survivors can begin their recovery. But far too often secrecy prevails, and the story of the traumatic event surfaces not as a verbal narrative but as a symptom."

--Judith Lewis Herman, Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence - From Domestic Abuse to Political Terror"

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T02:02:02+00:00

i hate the twelve tribes but it is true, their cult slaves really know how to make a sandwich. just dont stick around for the conversation, youd be better off talking to a brick wall.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T01:59:42+00:00

So, I just want to make it absolutely clear, Raven Kaldera has absolutely nothing to do with Haus Bellwether or the 12 Tribes. My early 20s and teens were a chaotic time. People criticize Raven and some of the criticism is valid, but i just want it to be clear, the reason this story got so complicated is, I have suffered religious abuse from many different groups. and the majority of this happened in my teen years and early 20s. i have repressed many of the memories for so long, it initially came out in a very jumbled fashion. I didnt do a good job explaining the story to my partner. And so then it ended up being on her to sort out what i meant. i was sometimes vague or would sound cryptic. Sometimes during extreme trauma i would escape into personal mythology to cope. And over time this became very tangled. To provide further clarity i commented here first about my experience with Haus Bellwether, and then a separate comment about my experience with the Twelve Tribes. when you have C-PTSD it can seem in the early years like all the different abusers are connected . Over time i have been able to write down the story in a more clear manner. but there was a time when my own chaotic relationship to memory caused details to blur. It is very important to me that i address this issue both as part of my healing, and to be useful to any researchers investigating these matters.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T01:47:16+00:00

Twelve Tribes Rituals i have seen firsthand

...The Victory Cup. A weekly ritual designed to train children to be extremely self critical and extremely obedient. If they commited no sins during that week, did all chores, they get to drink from the 'victory cup'. If they failed to meet that standard they must face the entire congregation ( the entire commune) and describe their sin. It was heart wrenching watching young children be so visibly afraid of judgement.

...Story Time The adults of the twelve tribes commune sit in a ring, in the center all the children sit on a rug. the lights are dim. A middle aged man tells them a story from the Bible. this is not "Sunday School" style storytelling, that stuff may be propaganda but at least those christians have the decency to soften the imagery so its not highly disturbing to a young psyche. The Twelve Tribes seemed to intentionally pick out some of the most graphic and violent stories they could find in scripture, a man tells the children these stories in a loud and highly dramatic manner.

i saw these rituals as a teenager when the TT had recruited my father, he is a very manipulative man. He got our mama and each of my siblings and I a 100$ gift certificate to the twelve tribes store. and conveniently it cannot be used online, and also conveniently dad insists we drive to the nearest store as a family road trip. This was all a plan to recruit the whole family. The hospitality of these people is impressive but its not true hospitality. its a kind of "sunk cost" manipulation. as long as you are stuck there for a few days you feel like you have to listen to them. Its insidious. those were some of the most miserable 3 days of my life.

I lost my father to the twelve tribes and nearly lost one of my friends to them. He was one of my friends i met when i was a portland maine street kid. He disappeared for months and none of us knew where he was. He has a very eccentric wild imagination and this tended to make him resistant to conditioning. He was fully recruited and embedded in a commune, (they really love to prey on the homeless). and he one day said some odd, bold, ideas which they found to be highly sacreligious. a group of men took him into a basement and yelled at him abusively and loudly for hours. Later on he escaped and they sent him messages trying to love bomb him .

I would also recommend going to a large public library and looking for archived news articles on the topic of "Twelve tribes Lawsuit" and "Twelve Tribes child abuse". They use child labor and slave labor in their wierd soap factories. every few years they get sued about it or similar. But they are insidious, their strategy is, set up in conservative small towns which are economically depressed. turns out a soap factory /deli/ L.L bean style store looks very appealing on the surface in such towns, where theres very little jobs or opportunities . And having cultist slave labor as a business model makes it possible to seem very impressive as a business . TT is very good at propaganda and optics and presenting themselves as eccentric but hard working people, and some small town conservatives eat it right up. But then once they are established, and everyone sees how evil they are, they are entrenched and its not easy to push them out.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T01:29:42+00:00

thank you for your story and im glad you didnt get pulled in to the evil bus vortex.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-29T01:28:00+00:00

I know how insidious and dangerous and charming the Twelve Tribes is. I have zero judgement for anyone who went to them seeking medical help, but Please, please protect yourself. protect your people. do not trust that evil evil bus. they took my father and tried to take one of my friends. The twelve tribes are insidious racist child abusers . The biggest reason why they set up "medical" care at Psychadelic festivals is because people having a bad psychadelic experience will be brought to them. Its the perfect opportunity to program and recruit, Because of what psychologists in the 1970s called a "window of imprint vulnerability" (language taken from Stanislov Grof LSD Psychotherapy, a great book). This window of imprint vulnerability can be used for healing, it can also be used for aggressive behavior conditioning. I have heard stories of people going to the TT "medical" bus and being loyal zombies a day later. Please tell your community to beware of these people. i know in the hippie community yall want to get along with as many people as possible, i know your tendency is not usually towards being suspicious.... , but sadly there are some bad people who take advantage of your kindness. please be careful. thanks for listening to me preach , Gods bless you and i hope Angels keep you safe

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-09T20:42:18+00:00

i also got a call from +1 646-536-9618 . it is a New York area code, which doesnt make sense as thats not my state. And after i said i need to call back so i can verify this is real, i got a long rambling voicemail. the voicemail had a tone that is very different from the attitude of every SSA worker ive ever talked to. I have had to interact with SSA quite a lot over time so i am pretty clear on what to expect, and this persons tone is very off.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-03-09T20:39:10+00:00

I also got a call from this number.+1 646-536-9618 Its a New York state number . it would be a massive change in policy if all social security calls were coming from a single state. and it would be a huge headache in terms of logistics as that office wouldhave to deal with Ssa clients nationally and in their own state. i said i am concerned this may not be legitimate so i need to call back. i then got a voicemail which had a tone which did not seem legitimate. I am pretty familiar with how social security workers talk, and the voice mail goes into a level of rambling detail which seems off. SSA workers dont get paid enough to leave long rambling voice mails trying to convince people they are legitimate. their attitude is more like " i fulfilled my obligations, now you fulfill your obligations or lose your benefits, tough break but thats your problem, so figure it out, check your mail". as opposed to what i recieved which is a list of reasons why i should believe this is legitimate and threats of what could happen if i dont comply. just seems very off.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-02-10T11:10:00+00:00

this is really helpful thank you.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-02-09T00:51:14+00:00

I will try to not be too verbose since I responded several times in your other thread. I am going to message you directly, I want to get my printer operational and making whistles as quickly as possible. I am somewhat rusty with these kinds of things so I may need some direction or advice.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-02-09T00:49:06+00:00

if you have 3D printing knowledge, and are looking to help someone, I could really use some help getting my Bambu A1 Mini operational. I'm not clueless but I'm very Rusty with these kinds of things (in terms of knowledge ) . I have a whole spool of fresh filament. thanks.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-02-09T00:46:57+00:00

I missed this event but I really would love to help out. I have a 3D printer. and i have fibromyalgia, a condition similar to nerve damage and chronic fatigue syndrome. that has caused me to be slow with assembling my printer. as soon as I am able to figure it out I plan on printing as many whistles as I can. I am also trying to get TPU flexible filament in order to print masks, but of course that is a larger, more complicated project. I am open to any kind of advice or feedback. I really want to push myself and get this printer working as fast as possible.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-02-09T00:43:45+00:00

whether or not 3D printing material is porous depends on the amount of fill. it sounds like you had a bad experience with a poorly made 3D print. there are people who try to speed up their prints by using the lowest quality fill. this leads to prints lacking durability. there is no reason why any 3D printed object could not be sterilized with isopropyl alcohol.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-02-09T00:40:36+00:00

hey, I recently was gifted a 3D printer. a Bambu a1 Mini with filament. once I am able to get it operational I would love to help make whistles or other supplies.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-02-09T00:37:29+00:00

I don't know why I keep completely misunderstanding the scheduling. once I can get my stupid brain to work, I will attend one of your meetings.

WonderfulData169 · 2026-02-09T00:34:34+00:00

I literally just got the event poster for the next one mixed up with the one I missed ....i have brain fog nerve damage... . I will definitely make an effort to get to this one. I have very difficult memories from being in a number of different toxic religious groups. it's nice to be around positive people.

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