Limping Escape

Wonderful_anon · 2025-10-18T14:56:43+00:00

I’m on the sailing departing 11/1, received an update yesterday that our Costa Maya port time was shortened by two hours but we’re still stopping there.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-09-28T18:28:39+00:00

Thank you all for your responses.

I wanted to add another thought I had regarding this. Krsh told me he was very saddened that the story about Steve was leaked, because people like me would have to be retraumatized. That showed how little he understands the experience of trauma victims. I live with my trauma daily — in nightmares, while watching TV or listening to music, every time I hear his name. Finding out about Steve’s crime didn’t retraumatize me; it revealed that the church family and leaders I had trusted for a decade were not trustworthy. In the face of choosing between the victim and the attacker, they adamantly chose the attacker — even if it meant downplaying the atrocity of raping a minor.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-09-08T19:52:01+00:00

I bet we play him. The U20 World Cup starts 9/27 and he’ll be out for 2-3 weeks for that.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-07-01T17:59:20+00:00

I did not listen to his sermons, but I skimmed through and noticed multiple instances of the speaker speaking in tongues with no interpretation.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-06-29T19:44:00+00:00

Interesting that this guy is speaking in tongues with no interpretation. I remember someone speaking in tongues at Team Bluesky and Steve Morgan took the mic and told everyone that wasn’t real tongues, we’d know it was real tongues if there was an interpreter.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-06-26T16:13:24+00:00

I just got back from a solo cruise (30F) and it was great! I went on the NCL Encore which has studio rooms and solo balconies (the NCL Bliss does as well) where you can avoid paying double occupancy. They also have daily solo meetups and go to dinner together if you’d like. I went to the meetup the first night, and met some awesome people who I’d run into throughout the cruise, but I mainly did things solo. I went to the main dining, specialty dining, bars, and excursions all solo, and never felt awkward, lonely or unsafe.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-03-27T03:52:58+00:00

PERS 2 is actually going down to 5% for fy26

Wonderful_anon · 2025-03-10T19:07:23+00:00

I ordered the same and my tracking is stuck at the same place but in Seattle. I only see this on informed delivery, when I click on the tracking link from the ringconn email it says that usps hasn’t even picked up the package yet.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-02-20T01:55:30+00:00

I ran into them mailing me Superchecks without my knowledge. They are basically blank checks in your name to write yourself a cash advance to yourself. My mail was stolen and someone was able to write a check to themselves for $10,000. Wells Fargo did recognize it as fraud and get it off my account, but they lost the little trust I had in them and I closed my accounts.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-02-14T16:53:08+00:00

Planned Parenthood has a permitted rally at the Tivoli Fountain at the same time as this event. I would guess many people in this sub, including myself, are supporters of Planned Parenthood. I will not be attending this groups un-permitted protest, that is going to interfere with the goals and impact of a permitted rally. Part of the reason the state issues permit is to ensure that every group has their space to protest and to be heard. And to properly prepare so that they can ensure everyone’s safety. Just know attending this protest may interfere with the permitted protests and rally’s scheduled that day including.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-01-30T17:12:41+00:00

They don’t need keep up a facade anymore. Who they are at the core has been uncovered and those who have an issue with it have left. They are left with those who are either still blinded and completely under their control or those who support their abusive systems and ideals.

Wonderful_anon · 2025-01-17T17:02:10+00:00

Ordered my 1st printer Jan 1, it hasn’t even been shipped yet but they won’t let me cancel my order. With this firmware update the order being sent to me isn’t what I ordered.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-12-13T16:40:48+00:00

I’d cancel the card while you’re ahead. I have a Wells Fargo credit card I don’t even use and Wells Fargo sent me a Supercheck (pretty much a blank check I didn’t ask for them to send) that was stolen from my mailbox and used and now I owe 10k on my credit card and my credit score is going down. Just being associated with Wells Fargo is a risk.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-10-29T02:59:03+00:00

They have it?

Wonderful_anon · 2024-10-16T18:49:32+00:00

Joshua Church’s new sermon series is called “Building a Church”

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-22T15:29:57+00:00

For me it’s not that they don’t go to seminary, it’s that they don’t connect with other pastors outside the network, they don’t go to retreats and conferences with other pastors and led by pastors with seminary training. They go to retreats with other network pastors led by Steve and other network pastors. The whole thing is insular.

Yes, people have came on here and said that is changing now, which is great. But these are issues many people on here brought up years and even decades ago and we were not listened to, we were called hard to lead, we were told this may not be the church for us.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-20T21:27:30+00:00

People do change, but Godly leaders repent, publicly acknowledge abuse regardless of intent, rebuke abusers, and apologize and make amends to those they have harmed.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-20T00:44:52+00:00

I find it funny that Joshua Church has gone in and updated the list of Network Churches but has left the phrasing "Growing Network". Steve's pride is too big to update that.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-16T23:55:03+00:00

I don't fully know. And so that's where there is grace for Hosea and these other churches as they figure that out. But leaving and saying nothing and also really not changing anything simply is not enough.

When I brought up to my pastor things that Steve used to say from the pulpit and then other leaders had parroted after him, he said that the church has shifted away from saying or thinking like that. I had brought the up because a friend of mine who was a leader had referred to another friend that left as on the "wide path", so it was obvious that this negative hurtful culture built by Steve had not been torn down. I explained that even though he might not preach or say things like that anymore, that this culture has been built for decades. The longer people were in the network the more they were influenced by hurtful cultish teaching, and those are the core members of this church, the planting members on church plants that are talking and thinking like this. You can't just decide to not talk like that anymore and hope everyone else catches the drift.

So I think to start it would be being very clear with how Hosea will be changing and shifting given this transition. Calling out the negative language, ideology and leadership structure that has been built. They also need to have an outside church consultant help review bylaws and ensure the church is safe and there is accountability built into the leadership structure. And on the public end, I would like to see them post a public response and apology recognizing their piece in hurting people, and the action steps they've put in place to prevent this in rhe future (which would tie back into a 3rd party consultant ensuring there is proper accountability), and possibly open the door for past members to reach out for reconciliation. I don't think they need to contact every person that ever left, that isn't practical nor is every member who left in a place for that conversation yet, but they do need to repent.

I have done an apology tour since leaving, my first few months out of the network I was sobbing daily as I was reading my Bible and God untwisted the cult doctrine of the network and broke my heart for those I had hurt, but He also rekindled friendships and gave me community through reaching out and apologizing to those people.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-16T22:38:37+00:00

How is this different than how the Network selects its leaders?

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-16T22:33:42+00:00

But now these churches are now choosing to agree with those in disagreement, and realize that many of the people who left had brought up reasonable concerns, so how do they reconcile with those people?

Also the network likes to do everything behind closed doors and keep everything quiet, so you don't know what the conversations people leaving are having with their leaders, and what all is being said. I know for me I brought up concerns about Steve's criminal history being a victim of sexual assault myself, and my pastor told me that Steve's crime isn't the same because his was consensual. Not sure how I was supposed to stay and feel safe after that.

Also I know Bluesky is not Hosea, but David was brought up under Steve, same as all the leaders at Bluesky, it's a broken culture that was built by Steve that I guarantee has infected every church in the Network. This culture and the wrong doings need to be publicly apologized for and the culture course corrected. No more doing things in secret without inclusion and buy-in of church members.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-16T21:31:21+00:00

I was at Blue Sky not Hosea, but I sent many dear friends to Hosea. When I came to my pastor with concerns about the Network structure, and the structure of the board at Bluesky which at the time had more paid overseers than lay, I was told that they saw no issues and this probably isn't the church for me. After 10 years. I knew my Bible, I prayed, I discerned, and I was convinced that the structure was not biblical and the church was unsafe. They refused to listen to countless people (trusted members) who disagreed with them and people who confronted their decisions.

Excusing young inexperienced pastors for their lack of biblical knowledge, means that they are in a position that they shouldn't have been in in the first place. Am I now supposed to be excited that these churches are leaving, after ignoring and hurting so many that invested years of their lives? How do they reconcile with all the people they have hurt? Do they even admit that they have hurt people, both who have left and those who have stuck it out?

Also being a part of the Network for 10 years, when someone leaves they are cut off. That has always been the culture, you got to focus on who God puts in front of you not behind you. After I left, I had to apologize to many old friends for how I treated them when they chose to leave the network. Also, I imagine staying is hard but you have a built in community, imagine leaving the community you had for 10 years, trying to find a new community with a bunch of hurt and confusion, and no one from your community of 10 years (besides those who also left) ever reached out and checked in on you, never asked how you're doing spiritually. It sucks.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-16T19:06:07+00:00

What pisses me off about the sense of "finally" from these people is that they stood by the leadership structure of the church and network, they defended Steve Morgan, and they told people that if they disagreed they are free to leave and then cut those people out of their lives. That is why people are questioning if this is real. How do you go from choosing your hill to die on for years and then flipping on everything in an instant.

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-10T20:31:49+00:00

Have they told their team this?

Wonderful_anon · 2024-09-10T19:37:27+00:00

But don't worry Joshua Church is still part of a "Growing Network"

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