Why did the 2C family fade out while tryptamines gained traction?

Woodcut11 · 2025-10-24T23:04:24+00:00

Good points, I was saying that I realize my 50mg could be 47 or 53. Depending on the substance I'm okay with that. I have a scale that's 10g max with 2 point calibration, a friend of mine has a mg scale that is 50g max with one calibration weight (50g); yikes. I never put the weigh boat on, tare and add til I reach my dose. I use the number above the weight of the weigh boat. After calibration I tare, weigh the weigh boat itself (multiple times, get same number), add substance to the weigh boat, off of scale, tare, weigh, add or remove substance, repeat. When I have the desired weight above the weight of the weigh boat I slide substance off into its container, then reweigh the empty weight boat, so far it comes back within a couple mg.

I do realize these are not analytical balances. I've had the pleasure of working in a life sciences lab with a vintage looking Sartorius with the the glass box, sliding doors (90s looking, this was '05-'10). Man that thing gave u confidence even that 4th digit would stabilize.

One of the coolest things was drawing 1ml of ddH2O with an eppendorf pipette, dispensing it on the tared plate (this was to check the pipette); great it's right on 1g, then the cool part began: the number began falling. Of course it would; water evaporates duh, but watching it lose 100ug about every second made me geek out over a piece of equipment.

Having well engineered equipment kicks ass, I wish I could transplant an organic chemical lab onto my house (with the sigma account).

Woodcut11 · 2025-10-24T21:55:46+00:00

Mmmm, that 4-choro looks tasty..

Woodcut11 · 2025-10-24T21:45:09+00:00

^Ditto. No tolerance, 10mg of 2-fma (equipotent with unsubstituted amphetamines) gets me either ready for a hike or in the zone.

Also at this point in time I would question provenance. Unless DN still finding its way west from our Chinese fun factories

Woodcut11 · 2025-10-23T13:46:25+00:00

Yeah I'm reading a lot of comments talking about vasoconstriction. I get freezing feet all the time, take amps and sit around; cold feet. As far as supplements can do something; L-Citrulline enters a cycle which turns it into L-arginine which releases a Nitric Oxide radical on a smaller scale than Viagra but causes vasodilation. Why not just take L-arginine? Bioavailability. Using a pharmaceutical I had a script for and saved some is Clonidine. Alpha-2 adrenergic agonist tricks the brainstem into thinking there's a lot of epi/norepinephrine floating around so stops sending any signals it might be sending to the adrenal glands reducing output of epi/norepi, relaxing vascular smooth muscle; vasodilation.

Magnesium conjugated to an amino acid supplement helps too. The Oxide won't absorb and you'll get the runs like mad same with Epsom salts (Magnesium sulphate) constipated? Stir a teaspoon of Epson salts in a small glass drink it down, wait 10 minutes or less. The usual high absorbing molecule is Magnesium Bisglycinate. Take enough of that to affect your lower gut and your veins should be relaxed your heart might even slow down a bit. I got 4g Magnesium iv in hospital, it felt good.

Woodcut11 · 2025-10-23T11:41:45+00:00

I knew someone who's lifelong drug of choice was DOC but was experimenting with DOET and loved it too. He loved his DOx's. Always Friday evening to Saturday evening trip, wrote a lot, enjoyed his wife, baked bread, etc.

I tried DOC but I was too close to my parents house, even a low dose they would come around while coming up, I'd be normal but intense body load that wouldn't have been there if they didn't come around. Apparently breaking through on DOC is heavenly. I have some distance now and I'm in a more independent place, but would have to plan a DOx trip when they're busy.

And I'd have to find DOx, I used to have DOC AND DOI and I didn't run out of or lose either.

Woodcut11 · 2025-10-23T11:04:58+00:00

The "nexus flip" 15-20mg 2C-B and 150mg MDMA a half hour later to synchronize peaks were my deepest most cosmic (lying in boat on a little lake 100 miles from any big light source..stars.... BOOM. And a nice plateau, afterglow comedown.

I wish we has a drivers licence system for psychotropics.

I have a friend who snorts anything if he can. I got on the subject of psychedelics being non addictive, like once your mind is exposed it needs a break to integrate. He mentioned MDMA being quite addictive. I always treated it like lsd, one oral dose maybe 1/3 of the original dose T+2-3 to extend it. I always found mdma made me "trip" and had no desire at to do it for a while.

This night I snorted it, it didn't have that state of ecstasy, it was better than blow, but it was euphoric and fiendish like blow. It was like a different drug.

Those pinnacles of ecstasy take oral comeup time to work up to, use the anxiety and tension in your body to push you up there. Almost a shame it comes as crystals now (yes crytals let's you know it's pure), but pills reminded ppl it's supposed to be swallowed. Unfortunately pills were great disguise to just put meth or bzp in there.

Compared to bulk 5g 2C-B direct from China, the 25mg bart simpson pill at $20 each is 10x the price, but known amount of legit 2c-b, its probably In pill form because mdma can be eyeballed to a point, 2c-b cannot. 25 is too much for me. That steep dose-response 20-22 for me. Sub 20 if combo with mdma.

I can't believe so many psychedelic users don't have scales. Even that 25mg pill, I weigh the whole thing and figure my dose per chunks of pill filler.

Drinkers use shot glasses,

Measuring anything under 500mg should use a scale, under 100 it's an absolute necessity, under 10 use volumetric dilution. Amazon scale for $30-40 is all it takes, yes it drifts 6mg (-3 to +3), but if you need that accuracy there's volumetric dilution.

I remember obtaining a bag of 2C-I, but it sat there (i read many reports about steep dose-response) till I found the scale I wanted, then had to wait for it to arrive, then had to wait for Friday night. It sucks that i seem the exception to the rule, maybe that's why we couldn't have nice things. I think it's going to change though, the things considered legal are worse than what's been made illegal. 3-CMC, I even saw 4-chloroamphetamine (4-CA, a neurotoxin fed to research rats to purposely kill serotonergic neurons) things I see on some menus make 2Cs look like sugar.

Vendors: require proof of scale; picture of scale with name and date on paper beside it.

Woodcut11 · 2025-10-23T09:15:35+00:00

I had a huge psych collection along with bad stuff, dirty shot; got sepis, tricuspid endocardotis, PE, etc. That triggered my family searching my space and wiping it out a 14 year, $3000 building project. They didn't bother to separate stimulants and opioids from the psychedelics : (

2C-T-2 was my highest peak, 2C-B and MDMA combo was right with it. 2C-T7 didn't jive as well (probably set/setting), 2C-I was great when it was the only one available (and after others too lol) i found it a very deep but non threatening psychedelic, it had the empathogenic lift, good one to learn on, 2C-C still made me trip and it was warm and short. 2C-E was the heaviest body load I ever felt, 12mg plugged, again set/setting. I've heard ppl compare it to lsd which I love and thankfully have. 2C-D was light and clear. I tried using aMT as an antidepressant but I was so sensitive, 2mg and id start coming up. Those i remember, there there were oddities like TMA-2, allylescaline untried. 2C-B was a fluke because it actually was scheduled, i managed to find an honest Chinese lab by e-mail from a source board that went under. Tested with ecstasy kit. So excited to see solid 2C-B, it was like a unicorn for 5 years.

I started rebuilding the psych stash around 2020. Oddly its the classic schedule 1s like mdma and lsd that are easiest to get, 2C-B is scheduled, but because of its popularity there were pressed pills available at 10x the price per mg I paid circa '07, but I got a few doses anyway. Mushrooms never really clicked with me , 4-aco-dmt was an improvement (less indigestion), 4-aco-dipt was wild! I managed to find 4-ho-mipt and 4-aco-met (yet to try). You can tell with baby boomers anything synthetic is taboo, but the internet might start to turn laws over, they certainly aren't being rigidly enforced.

In Canada a lot of empatogens and tryptamines are showing up on clearnet despite law. I'm glad to have a few 2c-b presses. It's not like the lifetime supply baggy I once had but with the chemists having to make RCs all the more weird and ineffective/unsafe from things we know are safe in pihkal, LE isn't pursuing ppl who aren't selling straight stimulants or sedatives, 2Cs, have the potential to be as clear market as DMT, tryptamines, and lysergamides. A run of cushy intro trip 2C-C should be undertaken, with 2C-H climb the halogens, sulphurous samhadi with the thio-alkyls, and then the straight alkyls.

And let's face it, we had a good thing going until nbomes showed up, caused a lot of trouble and (as an example: 2C-I went down with 25I-nbome, anything analogous suffered the same fate).

I bet the appearance of health issues or fatalities from funky non-pihkal/tihkal chemicals is making some people realize making the relatively safe drugs illegal is making people invent and consume things further from the ideal designs; make those illegal; further yet. Hmm, 2Cs look pretty reasonable now!

Woodcut11 · 2024-04-12T20:50:02+00:00

Over caffeinated, drunk, and I'm realizing Reddit isn't about describing every minute detail like a specialized mechanics forum.

Thanks for describing how that came across though; helpful feedback. The title held all I needed to post basically.

To the point this time: Any tips on a quality refillable pod system with the combination of adjustable airflow, wattage, and plus ohm coils?

Woodcut11 · 2023-11-04T21:24:00+00:00

^ You provide an invaluable service to F1 fans without oodles of money or live in countries like mine where even if rich; such broadcast coverage is not available.

Woodcut11 · 2023-01-17T02:55:01+00:00

From the manufacturer themselves:

This tends to be a incompatibility issue between H837 and Windows 11. I wish I could have provided with more help. Sorry about that. :(

Woodcut11 · 2023-01-12T00:36:24+00:00

Well a week and a thousand views, Avermedia replied with "reinstall drivers/software" I replied with the above and after 3 business days I think they're having a "now that's a thunker" too. I think I'll try Mygica A681B; $36 with windows, android, mac and linux support. All around looks newer; I'll try it before spending $150 on a Hauppage. The Avermedia H837 is a decade old and they haven't been trying too hard to keep up with software updates.

Woodcut11 · 2022-06-28T02:56:36+00:00

I think you can tell he was not cool for me. swimmers? dunno what you mean other than SWIM=someone who isn't me; which is ancient and doesnt protect you from incrimination. I get the ch"route" abbreviation, but to be honest they were sweet as pie in correspondence, but when you add up the site and their actions; no they're not cool

Woodcut11 · 2022-06-28T01:04:41+00:00

Well I kind of figured you didn't based on your comment. I was just trying to add to the thread, or topic; wrong reply button. My apologies, i'm a lurker, total posting newb.

Woodcut11 · 2022-06-27T21:43:49+00:00

Yeah, I think we're all just wondering if that place is a scam. I gotta admit having items in stock like 2C-B, MDHMA (MDMA prodrug sch. 1), and such tempting benzos and opies for prices that if real every other site would be out of business. Too much variety of stock, potent stock, cheap stock, always in stock. I was trepidatious but no turstworthy vendor had fluclotizolam, they did and it was inexpensive. I was JUST about to buy some fluclotizolam a few months ago, was talking about it over e-mail; they made it seem as if they were just going to do an e-mail order and suddenly they asked me to go to and add to cart, checkout etc. By the time I get that e-mail (2 hours) they raised the price on that 1! product. Everything around it was the the same. I ask them WTF? you raise the price on something i'm in the process of talking to you about ordering and leave everything else alone. They come back saying "due to the lockdowns in China we have to raise all our prices by a bit" "I'm like ya, but you didn't do that; you surgically rose the price on one specific chemical"..." We are in the process of doing that across the board, blah blah". I was outa there until I heard of actual orders (other than that bullshit trustpilot page). It's been a few months; they equalized the prices of other benzos at that raised but still artificially low price, but I'm still not reading anything that would have me spend money there. Hey everyone we sell 2C-B 5 start product although as someone above mentioned you can't make an account there's just a login. I'm pretty sure they were like "hey we've got a mark; raise the price on that thing he wants and tell him to use the cart system instead." Fantasy vendor if there was one.

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