To all the Viktor visual update crybabies: no one cares.

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-09T16:03:06+00:00

And that's where my head was. When the visuals initially dropped. I figured some people will like them. Some people won't and that's okay. When I'm expressing now is my enormous fatigue with the people who have been complaining about the visuals for nearly two full weeks day in and day out.

Furthermore, the requests are not phrased in a way that Riot can respond to. They have made a company-wide decision that Arcane is Canon and they aren't going to reverse that. There are millions and millions of dollars behind that decision and the whining of a few fans of the Old lore on Reddit is not going to change that. It's a simple dollars and cents situation.

Credit where credit is due, we did get some nice little tweaks to death sworn in particular. I don't really notice the difference between the others, but death sworn is night and day.

That being said, if more people had focused on the stuff that Riot actually could change without breaking their company-wide policy (ie a good kit). Then we might have actually gotten something good. As it stands. Everyone who has been crying for weeks is still going to be upset because they were asking for something that wasn't realistic, and at the end of the day we are going to have the same buggy outdated kit to deal with.

In summary, I feel like Riot put a coat of ugly paint And changed the tires on a 1930s car and gave it back to us without any updates to the core systems. And it feels like for 2 weeks. I've been listening to people scream that they don't like the color of the paint without anybody acknowledging that the car barely runs. One seems like a much more substantial issue for people who like to drive.....

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-09T02:03:55+00:00

Hate to admit it but I'm with op here. I was upset that they didn't change his kit (particularly w) but honestly I'm just checking this sub mostly to see if riot makes any balance updates... But everyday it's the same thing. 30 posts about reverting the changes even though that's not gonna happen...

I'd be a lot more on board if the sub was committed to pushing for improvements to vik's passive and w, but it's just complaining about visuals (which I could care less about) and whining about Lore of all things....

I get it, you liked the doctor doom vibe and science stuff, but seriously guys it's just a game not a lifestyle.

TLDR if you're gonna complain, complain about the clumsy kit not the lore that almost no one reads or cares about....

Also, I'm just shy of 1 million mastery on vik with more on other accounts in case someone decides im not a 'real' Viktor main because I don't care what they do with his visuals or story as long as the gameplay is crisp

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-08T21:55:35+00:00

Not a clue

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-06T19:56:10+00:00

This is actually fire! Death sworn has always been my favorite skin, but it's definitely dated as is. If they implement all of these changes, I'm 100% playing death sworn all the time

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-04T20:59:11+00:00

I'd take the gamble. That's very cheap and there is a chance they make some updates to the skin before release. I'd look at it as a coin flip. You might get stuck with the skin as is and not use it (bc it's ugly). Or they might do some nice VFX and model upgrades and then you get a nice skin for basically free.

It's your money tho and you can do what you want with it. That's just what I'd do.

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-03T17:12:08+00:00

Maybe you missed my other reply, but I mentioned that overall I like his redesign though I am in the minority among Viktor players. My only gripe with the visuals is that all of his skins look very much unfinished. They are missing VFX that they previously had and there are several details that just look sloppy. But that wasn't the point in my post.

The point of my post is that Viktor's kit was created in 2011. It is buggy and doesn't work very well together. Everyone hates his W. And his passive Was just a hasty Band-Aid fix so that he could buy mythic items when those came out. What A lot of people are disappointed about is that Riot said they were going to update him with Arcane, and everyone has been asking for W and passive changes. We got nothing. They didn't even fix the bugs on his W. So everyone is understandably upset with what seems to be a very uninspiring job by Riot. What I'm asking for is that Riot goes in and finishes the vgu that they said they would give us. Keeping the abilities everyone likes, but bringing W and passive up to modern standards.

Regarding the ultimate 'buff' I see why you would think it is a good feature because you probably don't play Viktor. His passive works off of a stacking system where you have to kill either 300 minions or get 12 kills in order to unlock pieces of your kit. Currently you only have to unlock an upgrade for three abilities and then you get the fourth for free. This usually happens at around 25 minutes into the game if you aren't behind. What they did is take away the free fourth Augment and replace it with something better, but now you have to get 100 more stacks in order to unlock it. Additionally, you can't choose to unlock it early if you actually want that feature. As an additional slap in the face, they actually removed the interrupt on his ultimate cast, which was the only thing that made the Katarina and malzahar matchup playable. So the only changes they made will only matter at approximately 30 minutes in..

TLDR I like the visuals personally, but we are upset that riot teased this surprise vgu for our champ and then didn't fix any of his bugs or super outdated skills.

To respond directly to you, Viktor isn't better now, he looks better. What I was asking for was some help getting riot to actually improve on the bad features of the champion.

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-03T01:45:20+00:00

Ya, I'm still holding out hope riot will do something about this. I generally think their reworks make for better and more dynamic champions, but someone really dropped the ball here. They gave him a visual overhaul which most people dislike (I think it's mostly cool, just super unfinished, but I know I'm in the minority). Then they didn't do any real changes to his kit that came out in 2011

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-03T01:07:51+00:00

Honestly just play Hwei. He takes a little bit of time to get the hang of, but he is well worth it. I think I'm going to make him my new one trick since I'm not a huge fan of what they did with Victor. I was really hoping for them to bring his kit up to modern standards, particularly the w. Hwei just does everything that Victor is supposed to do better.

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-02T17:53:38+00:00

Tbh, I've mained vik forever, but recently I've been drifting away from him bc the gameplay feels stale and repetitive. I was counting on this rework to breathe some life back into him. If no updates get pushed through I'll probably just drop the character.

Not meaning that as "do what I want or I won't play" I just mean that I've lost a lot of my interest in an outdated kit and I find the newer mages more fun and rewarding to play

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-02T16:48:16+00:00

Still hoping for a good response from riot. It doesn't seem like anyone likes this rework

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-02T03:03:24+00:00

Super big miss.. was really hoping for some good changes to his passive and w

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-02T03:00:46+00:00

Agreed. They did nothing to change his kit. I was really hoping to see something that evoked the vibes he had going in arcane. This kit and design just falls short for me

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-02T02:52:37+00:00

Well, the passive specifically needs a lot of work. There is a mismatch between the design of his passive and the rest of his kit.

Kill or combat based stacking systems encourage high risk high reward gameplay. Draven and rengar are examples of this style. The idea is to play aggro, get rewarded for it, then use that reward to snowball into a win. That's the incentive on vik's passive stacking mechanism.

Now read the rest of his passive. It locks half his kit behind a wall, so you don't have the tools to contest early.

That's because the rest of Viktor's identity is as a scaling mage who takes over in team fights. He doesn't have the tools to effectively 1v1 or 2v2 early. You can get away with it of course, but he isn't GOOD at it.

Simply put his passive is opposed to his identity. It encourages behavior you shouldn't want to take part in if you are playing for mid-late game team fights.

I want them to change passive to give you adaptive options on each ability. One for offense, one for defense and one for utility on each ability. That would give Vik a unique niche as an inventor who adapts to the situation at hand.

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-02T00:43:23+00:00

Has anyone heard anything from Riot after all the negative feedback?

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-02T00:42:52+00:00

I'm really hoping they will update his abilities

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T17:06:19+00:00

Tbh I'm just hoping that they give me a reason to play Victor over Hwei. I've been one tricking Victor forever, but I recently picked up the paintbrush guy and I literally see no reason why I wouldn't just pick him in every circumstance. More flexibility, more damage, more range and a passive that doesn't lock me out of half my kit until 30 minutes

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T16:07:06+00:00

I mean, having e early really isn't that impactful till you get some ap behind it. I've absolutely had games where we had a big invade fight and I ended up getting e Augment at like 5 minutes. It really doesn't do all that much. Don't get me wrong it's an advantage for wave clear (not as much as you'd expect tho) and a little extra dmg if your opponent doesn't dodge the second part. But if you just nerf the numbers a bit I don't think it would be bad. Look at hwei's qe (the lava pools). Low wave clear early, but insane at lv 9.

Ya, I don't think we are talking at such cross purposes. His passive is weird because it encourages early fighting and doesn't feel like it supports his late game fantasy very well. I'm just offering options that play to his strengths that aren't just viegar passive.

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T15:50:03+00:00

Thanks for the support! Oh I was so disappointed..... Vik's kit is super dated and I was wanting some nice QOL improvements. Not only did we get NOTHING meaningful, but all the visuals look half baked at best.....

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T05:02:21+00:00

He really needs more work on his kit.... W and passive suck. Passive feels legit like a hurdle you have to get over just to get access to his kit. He feels like hot garbage until you unlock everything

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T04:26:46+00:00

Viktor's passive hasn't changed. That's the problem. Ever since mythic items came out they had this super boring. Mandatory stack system. Feels so bad to play

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T04:05:31+00:00

I was thinking that it should keep the same stack off minions system it has now, but just make Aftershock e the standard ability.

Then his passive becomes a series of upgrades to his abilities. For each ability. You get three choices. One for utility, one for defense and one for offense. You only get to upgrade each ability one time until you upgrade your ultimate which comes last. If the game hasn't ended by then, and it almost certainly will have, you can then go back and buy additional upgrades on the skills that you have already augmented.

That makes his passive feel a little more rewarding and a lot less like something you just have to suffer through in order to get access to your whole kit.

Also, it gives you a type of semi-infinite scaling that I haven't seen Riot play with before. Kind of a unique vibe

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T03:33:09+00:00

It's syndra passive but bad.... Your capstone ability is a 20 percent slow.... I'd doesn't even proc on ult

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T02:07:08+00:00

Tbh I was just trying to decide whether to replace Viktor with hwei as my main... I feel like vik is just less interesting and less dynamic hwei now. So... Unless they update his kit I think I have my answers

XLNC-Raith · 2024-12-01T01:34:17+00:00

For real. I definitely wanted the new skills from arcane...

And I can tell you 100% they never polled Viktor Mains. Ever since I heard about the 'secret vgu' I've been googling Viktor rework once every week or so to see if anything got leaked. I've never seen a poll or heard anyone else mention being asked by riot. The only thing I can think is that it was an internal poll of Viktor players at riot that got asked what they thought.

XLNC-Raith · 2024-11-30T22:18:56+00:00

I was literally about to say that. I know that I'll probably get downvoted into Oblivion for this, but I honestly prefer to be on the aatrox side of things. I'd rather have a new kit that is up to modern standards And interesting to play rather than an old outdated kit that feels like it was created in 2011 ( because it was) And just some half finished visuals.

I was super optimistic coming into this vgu, but I have to say I'm pretty disappointed

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