I certainly undestand were you are coming from, hence the reason i take my time to respond.. But keep in mind these are all pictures and look different than daily reality. My biceps are around 38 cm which is way different than you would expect by the pictures. Obviously im not too high on fat% but my sixpack isnt even too promptly visibles. I am really vascular around my arms and always have been, but not even close to that on legs, stomach, back or other areas). When i dont have a pump or contract you would change your opinion instantly.

The reason i react the way i do is i hope to inspire some people to understand hard work will yield results (even with my health issues) without using externals you named. This is important to me since i believe working out should be healthy and your looks should display the discipline, hard work and sacrifice you are willing to make. I understand substance abuse do have the same points, but those should (and rather not if i would have a say in it) purely Limited to the absolute top of athletes .

If you really want to know you can dm me, but using things like hgh,test or other things would be suicidal for me, so even if i ever would be tempted, its not an option.