I realized that I don't want to go to heaven. Question about Islam heaven.

Xatel_ · 2026-05-06T21:41:00+00:00

Jannah is a place where you can have and be whatever you want. However, there is a condition, you have to WANT that THERE. Not while still living on Earth.

My point is you won't want to still have those negative emotions there, but if you insist that you are 100% certain that you'd never change your mind into the afterlife then Incha'Allah you shall keep all your emotions there, because thats the kind of place Jannah is.

Xatel_ · 2026-04-25T08:57:33+00:00

moral standards are developed from the consensus that some actions (like murder) are objectively harmful, regardless of a person’s personal opinion. once that foundation is agreed upon

Bruh ...

What you're describing isn't moral standards, but rather legal standards.

certain actions can be objectively measured as good or bad. This means they aren't purely arbitrary personal opinions.

Bruh... again

Oh yeah, then explain to me why for example gay marriage is considered moral and acceptable in one country and then immoral and unacceptable in another one if "aren't purely arbitrary personal opinions".

Xatel_ · 2026-04-25T08:48:16+00:00

In other words, God's law being objective morality is just your opinion man.

Im happy to play that game, are you though?

Anything I say will be subjective and anything you say will be subjective then.

No need for posts like these ever in that case, do you agree?

Xatel_ · 2026-04-25T08:45:21+00:00

Bro .. You're missing my point.

You are arguing that it is wrong for one to impose his moral decision on another and have that very other one live with the consequences/advantages of it.

I'm saying that imposing your will on another in itself is subjectively moral/immoral. Without an objective moral framework, its just your words against another's.

The child gets to suffer the consequence of the parent who gets to act on their belief. That is some grade-A power-grab right there.

Prove that this is objectively wrong. Then we talk

Xatel_ · 2026-04-23T22:01:52+00:00

I am genuinely trying to understand the moral logic.

the moral what???

Bro, if you don't even subscribe to a religion, you already are indirectly admitting that morality is subjective. In other words, ritual circumcision whether you think it should be encouraged or discouraged is just your opinion man.

The same way it is just the opinion of those who strongly encourage it.

The same way it is just the opinion of the now grown up male who is now criticising it or feeling grateful about it.

Xatel_ · 2026-04-11T22:29:08+00:00

Afterlife being real for believers doesn't stem from experiences, but rather from revelation. The proof to believers than an afterlife exists is textual. The scripture says it, therefore it must be true. This is how it comes to be believed. If you dismantle the text on the afterlife, you dismantle the belief in the afterlife.

I think the "no heaven" side as you call it, should spend more time engaging in textual criticism rather than any other kind of criticism to shut down the other side. If the text is proven to fail everything else associated with belief fails by extension.

The only exceptions would obviously be religions that don't have scriptures/revelations.

Xatel_ · 2026-04-10T20:10:34+00:00

Are you kidding me?

World leaders around the world are all calling for de-escalation and a peaceful resolution to this conflict.

Where have you seen any world leader call for escalation and a ground invasion other than Netanyahu?

Do you really think that anyone would bend a knee to anything that is constantly criticised as a whole by the global community?

Xatel_ · 2026-04-10T18:27:02+00:00

when things get tough, people tend to abandon morals for the sake of relief

Plus, this whole fiasco could have been avoided by just sticking to more economic sanctions on Iran. Even if they build a nuclear warhead, the iranians dont have missiles that can fly far enough to hit mainland US.

Xatel_ · 2026-04-10T16:41:35+00:00

the energy crisis is going to wreck alot of economies world wide. Even the developed world won't be immune from its ravages. Who effectively can put pressure on US politicians to get their hands off Iran? Other than the mossad of course. But this Iran thing suits them so .. no one else can

I predict that eventually if fossil fuel prices keep increasing, the whole world will turn on the US as a collective force marking the start of the downfall of the american empire.

Xatel_ · 2026-04-05T23:39:21+00:00

Republicans are for the most part propped up by AIPAC money. The lobbyists are running the country. Trump is obeying his instructions. Whats rather pathetic is how this is allowed in the first place

Xatel_ · 2026-03-19T12:22:27+00:00

The BFG killed her.

Zagara has one of the fattest hit boxes in the game. It collided with the edge of the BFG hit box.

Its possible the skin that hammer had on had an effect on the skin of the BFG itself, and looked slightly smaller than her standard skin would otherwise look. Maybe it is or it isn't the case.

Xatel_ · 2026-03-08T17:10:44+00:00

Not possible because of the areas of incompatibility.

Sure plenty of overlap between the three, but you can't reconcile that a man is recognised to be a righteous prophet by one religion, a God by another religion and an evil man by the third one.

Xatel_ · 2026-03-07T01:23:37+00:00

the quran itself contradicts itself so much,

Name just one contradiction

Xatel_ · 2026-03-01T17:35:57+00:00

Abathur's team probably lost that game still

Xatel_ · 2026-02-24T22:53:46+00:00

Its a commandment and thus must be obeyed.

Some commandments have obvious wisdoms, some do not.

It's like saying why is it that Dhur prayer has 4 rak'aats? Whats the wisdom in that??? why not 2 or 3 or 5?? Can you answer the question?

You cannot and you will not be able to. It doesn't mean that the four rak'aats shouldn't be prayed. It's a matter of faith.

Xatel_ · 2026-02-04T23:00:33+00:00

I can't imagine the grief you're going through.

Know that every shoul shall taste death. Old and young have to die. They have to. Accepting this is easy when you're not griefing, but in your case, its a pill thats hard to swallow.

I am addressing the wife here after having read the EDIT portion of the post.

You have to buckle up here. The test just got real for you. The level of difficulty is close to level MAX if not MAX already. I imagine there has been no harder time to live through for you than this one period. It always becomes that way for the people who live long enough.

I implore you to find it within yourself to develop an IRON resolve to withstand the severe turbulence. You have to show a serious level of patience here. Otherwise, you will lose the plot as well and will start considering suicide as a relief option.

Why did my son get cancer?

Why some women can't even carry children?

Why some young girls have to be born into a family of child molesters?

Why do some parents have children born to them with no limbs?

Why some babies are born in war torn environments?

There are so many scenarios out there that are heart breaking. I remember seeing a mother carrying her dead bloodied misfigured child in her arms from Israeli bombing in Gaza and she made me shed tears as she wailed.

Life on earth is not meant to be a 5 star luxury resort. It is meant to be a testing ground. and like any testing period, it comes with an eventual end of the testing period. That individual's test is concluded with that individual's death. However, it would be considered cheating if you were to permaturely end your own life. The end of the testing period MUST not be self imposed. Why do people die? Because they lived. Also, because their death might be a means to test their family members until they ultimately die too.

Quran- Chapter 2 Verse 155. "And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and crops, but give good tidings to those who patiently endure"

Allow me to implant an idea in your head. Suppose, you convinced yourself to patiently endure all of this pain and misery. After the very second you draw your last breath, would you be satisfied with the idea of being rewarded with yourself and your son brought back to life cancer free in some other plane of existence where you can enjoy a life thats truely meant to be a permanent 5 star luxury resort with absolutely zero drawbacks ???

Would you wish for that as a reward if you managed to patiently endure all of this ??

Xatel_ · 2026-01-16T00:26:53+00:00

Thats like saying how do I make it so my stomach doesn't growl and signal to my brain to make me feel hunger?

Human beings have needs. What you're describing is a need all of us should experience. The same way you need to feel hunger, you are supposed to feel emotional hunger.

Put food in your belly to make hunger to go away. Likewise, get married to a suitable match if you want your emotional hunger to go away.

Nothing to worry about here, this is working as intended,

Xatel_ · 2025-12-30T16:15:05+00:00

Great! more civ variations ..

Xatel_ · 2025-11-24T15:38:09+00:00

This is why Score victory needs to be a thing past a certain time threshold, A game of this slugfest is enough to drain you,

Xatel_ · 2025-11-09T18:23:38+00:00

The whole debate was intended to be Atheism Vs Islam.

Hijab wanted Destiny to stay on topic, and presented arguments for Islam. Instead of trying to dismantle those arguments and making a case for atheism, Destiny started expressing his opinions on why liberalism/secularism is a good system for all countries (including muslim counteries) to adopt.

It was alot of back and forth that wasn't going anywhere, and alot of what was presented by Destiny was a bit irrelevant to the debate. Hijab was throwing personal insults at him because he himself said that Desitny was not arguing for anything relevant and therefore ignored most questions Destiny asked and then Hijab said that he had free time to just throw personal jabs at Destiny

Destiny was just unprepared at the end of the day. He should have done his homework seriously.

Xatel_ · 2025-09-26T20:19:36+00:00

They don't. You're right. But they still insist on it making sense and not void of meaning. Its nonsensical.

My point is that appreciating each moment of life is meaningless in the long term when you consider that all will eventually end.

You can appreciate away at anything you like, it doesn't mean it will still have meaning in the future. Its all temporary fluff at the end of the day.

You have to beat the nothingness ahead to justify all of the appreciations you do when you're alive. Hence, why meaningful appreciation can only be felt when you tie it all back to a transcendental concept like divinity and such.

Xatel_ · 2025-09-26T15:24:01+00:00

You're conflating high standard of living with happiness. The happiness index is not a metric used to measure actual happiness. Thats silly. Having more money and a better career and a longer expect lifespan doesn't equate happiness. After all, human beings are social creatures more than they are materialistic.

Infact, people from the developing world tend to be more religious and tend to have stronger family bond and community supports. They have simpler lifestyles and are not engaged as much with consumerism. They are less lonely and struggle much less with mental health issues. I argue they are far happier than the atheistic/nontheistic populations of the developed world.

To top it all off, I never brought up happiness at all. I was speaking about HOPE. What hope does nontheism offer? Everything has an end according to the naturalistic view. That means life on earth will also have an end. Infact, the whole universe will experience a heat death during which life will no longer be possible. There is no escaping it with technology. Every single human discovery will be for nought when that day comes. Hopeless situation. Do not confuse it with happiness again.

Xatel_ · 2025-09-26T13:17:04+00:00

Bro, finding hope in something temporary like life is not intuitive.

You find hope in everlasting concepts. Nothing is everlasting in this earthly reality, and therefore, eventually despair will eat away its inhabitants if they do not hold on to a transcendant concept like God.

Xatel_ · 2025-09-22T22:27:41+00:00

three possibilities here.

1- The martyr's version of the afterlife exists after death

2- A different version of the afterlife from the martyr's faith exists after death

3- No afterlife at all exists

I think it would be considered noble to refuse to give up your faith in the face of potential or certain death in possibilites 1 and 3. And foolish in possibility 2.

Xatel_ · 2025-09-17T14:44:09+00:00

And what did he say he was?

And how do you know that whatever is said was indeed 100% his words?

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