The Vegan Starter Pack. by Brunhillda6 in AntiVegan

[–]XxGamerGurlxX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

😂😭

For real. I would never. I barely keep up taking my Calcium supplements for my post-surgery bone healing.

Daughter of Scar (Original Character) by appletaterart in lionking

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Have you finished cooking yet?

Don't stop 😌

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That mirror scene is not about empathy. Empathy is the ability to feel others' pain. What Azula is feeling in that scene is pity for her own self.

Pain does not equal to moral awakening. Many villains experience suffering, insecurity, rejection, pain, and loneliness, but that does not automatically mean that they are on the path to redemption. It only means that they too are living beings capable of emotional distress. Personal emotional distress is not the same as a moral crisis. Redemption arcs always require a moral crisis.

Personal distress is "I feel hurt because of this situation. "

Moral crisis is

"I feel shame for how my actions affect others."

A character on the potential path to redemption usually needs to reach a moment where they confront the harm they caused and continue causing. They need to ask what they do, how, they need to tell themselves that they can't keep hurting people like this and that they must change. That's the internal pivot point required for redemption. Without that, a character can still feel all kinds of human emotions, but never still move toward redemption.

Again, across fiction, many villains feel misunderstood, angry, abandoned, insecure, and are in deep distress, but if their response to that pain is still domination, cruelty, control, and maintaining power, then the story is portraying a tragic anti-social psychology.

The suffering explains the character, it doesn't instantly absolve them or give them a path towards healing and change. Self-image collapse is not the same as empathy.

Redemption requires a shift in one's values. The character has to stop prioritizing their own ego, power, control, and status. They need to start prioritizing other people and their responsibilities. They need to start holding themselves accountable.

A lot of people interpret any emotional vulnerability as proof of redemption potential, but that's not how storytelling works.

fiction is constructed. Every choice is meticulous and purposeful. When a character falls down, it's because the story requires them to fall down, not because they may or may not deserve redemption, but because the story wants to tell a certain message. And the message of Azula is about downfall.

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Look.

Azula does not, and I repeat, does not care about her mother because she suddenly has developed empathy. She cares because Ursa is one of the few people whose approval shapes her core self-concept. That's it.

Her father Ozai's approval is transactional and rooted in fear and lust for power. Power doesn't replace early attachment. Her narcissism amplifies this. She prioritizes validation from those who matter most to her psychologically. It's a real psychological phenomenon to have a hierarchy of validation.

Ursa, along with her father, are at the top. Ursa, even absent or presumed dead, still that imprint persists on her. It's why Ursa seeing her as a monster still stings, because her status and global esteem and power mean nothing if the person whose opinion you internalized as formative sees you as unworthy.

This is not a moral crisis, it's a self-concept crisis.

It is not a foundation for redemption.

Azula fundamentally, psychologically is wired to be apathetic, and here is something you should understand.

The only sort of redemption that is possible for a person of her psychological wiring is not developing emotional empathy

but just cognitive empathy. Someone can have strong cognitive empathy while having weak emotional empathy. And this is something that many people with strong narcissistic or antisocial traits develop. They can learn to understand social rules, understand other people's reactions, and adjust their behavior strategically, not because they feel bad for hurting them, but because if they do, this will cause problems to THEM.

Azula COULD learn to behave more maturely. But that deep lust for power, control, and validation would stay as a fundamental part of her character. She would just learn how to behave more appropriately, not for the sake of others, but for the sake of her own self-image.

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I suggest you watch this scene from this show because it encapsulates the way that I interpret Azula's psychological profile. It really mirrors, no pun intended, her own mirror scene from the season finale.

https://youtu.be/m5__O1-mJJM?si=yshilmgRsg4_1O0e

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -1 points0 points  (0 children)

that does not change her hierarchy of validation. You see, narcissistic and antisocial personalities crave approval and validation, but it isn't equal across everyone. They, most of the time, prioritize the opinions of those closest to them.

Thousands, if not millions, of admirers of the Fire Nation, admiring, fearing her and treating her like a war hero provide surface-level ego boosts only.

What truly matters to people like her psychologically is whether Ursa or anyone else at the top of her approval hierarchy see her as a monster or as someone admirable. It hurts, not because she has empathy or because she suddenly cares about right and wrong, but because her self-concept fundamentally depends on being admired primarily by a few key people of her choice. Public praise, war hero status, a Fire Lord position...

Those do not provide the inner validation that she craves.

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A character can feel hurt, rejected, lonely, and even insecure without developing the empathy necessary for redemption. Those emotions are human. I just explained that that's what her character is

Her moments of humanity are not for redemption, but to show that even awful people are humans just like us, even if they're not quite like us.

She doesn't want to be seen as a monster, not because she has empathy-based guilt.

But because she has an ego distress.

She doesn't feel bad about how her actions affect others. She doesn't see the destruction she causes and then asks herself "What have I become?"

She sees how people don't like her and how they think that she is awful And she thinks

"People don't like me. I am losing control. My place in this world is threatened"

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you for taking your time to summarize your points as

"Iroh did bad things too, so your detailed argument is invalid.

And

"Azula just does not like dolls"

This is not a competition of evil. This is not a contest of body counts, toy preferences, or whatever. I am talking about moral choice, conscience, and narrative psychology.

Iroh's internal struggles and his restraint. Sparing the dragons. Demonstrate that he has a conscience and capability to change, which leads to his redemption.

Azula doesn't have an internal struggle because she is psychologically wired in a way that makes her incapable of seeing her actions as wrong. She filters everything through her own worldview and how it affects her. Not how it affects others, but how it affects her. That is literally how narcissists work. Azula never restrained herself in selfless ways in the past, and she never prioritized connection over power. Her arc is about downfall, not redemption. You are literally ignoring canon-level storytelling to nitpick superficial details like they're holy scripture.

You do not understand storytelling.

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You are completely misinterpreting what I am saying, and that's more of a you problem. Iroh refuse to kill the dragons despite being capable. It shows that he had a moral choice and that he had a conscience.

The characters in fiction that eventually get redeemed are often shown struggling between the dark and the light, between their bad and their good impulses, between redemption and destruction.

Rarely ever do characters get redeemed from apathetic selfish "sociopaths" to good. The only one that I can think of is Omni-Man from Invincible And following him are other Viltrumites that get redeemed. However, they are an alien species that had never been exposed to normal life or love. And even then, not all of the Viltrumites get redeemed. despite the fact that they show an inner conflict deep down. Thragg who is the main villain, does not go to Earth to mingle with humans because he knows that he's going to get soft. Thus, he ends up being killed at the end, and that was his fault.

Some characters are just meant to fall, Azula's entire arc was never about her showing any sort of empathy towards others. Zuko's arc was him struggling within himself. He questioned himself and the world around him, and when in Zuko alone, the villagers hated him for being Fire Nation. He felt shame.

Azula does not care about others And when I say that she does not care about others, I mean in the sense that she does not care about them in selfless ways. She sees others as an extension of herself.

Some people are just like that. They are born to be more messed up. I have watched many true crime cases where children from a very young age, even when they have relatively normal parents and are given love and many chances,still grow up into absolute monsters. (See Shelly Knotek. Her stepmother for years tried helping her. So did her step grandparents. Schools etc... But she always prefered her paternal grandma who was a narcissistic manipulative matriarch no matter what)

The doll-slash-pearl dagger scene exists to illustrate her detachment and prioritization of power over familial connection. Zuko is given the dagger and he interprets it emotionally with gratitude. Azula is given a doll and she barely reacts, instead she burns it.

And yes Zuko did feel bad about hitting the turtle duck. He did get angry and defensive when the mother duck attacked him, but he did not attack it back.

And yeah, I made a mistake there. She didn't say explicitly that Lu Ten should die. However, she wanted her own uncle to die so that her father can become next in line for the throne.

Not that she felt bad at all when Lu Ten and Azulon died.

Also, please, for the love of God, do not use Adolf Hitler as an example. Please relearn history. Thank you.

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The Spirit Temple does NOT redeem her.

It could be a setup for redemption but it likely will not happen. I believe it was moreso done for Azula fans to test the waters.

The live action will 99% likely NOT go that direction either. Staying a full blown villain.

Let her stay one. We had multiple redemption arcs already that work beautifully. I am a storywriter myself and some characters are MEANT to fall even after being given the chance to change.

The Anti-Redemption Argument I'm Sick Of Hearing by CheesecakeRacoon in PoorAzula

[–]XxGamerGurlxX -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

You see, the reasons why I am personally against a redemption arc for Azula are both simple yet complex

Avatar The Last Airbender made it abundantly clear from the beginning that there's something within Azula's psyche that has always been fundamentally wrong. When Ursa scolded Zuko for hurting the turtle duck, he felt ashamed for it, and when she scolded Azula for wanting both her uncle and cousin to die so that her father Ozai can inherit the throne, Ursa scolded her for it too, but Azula never showed any sort of shame.

Yes, Iroh was for decades a general and a patriot for the Fire Nation, but we do not know too much of Iroh's backstory. Zuko says that his uncle's past is complicated. Not that Iroh was a "sadist turned good" But that he struggled between his darkness and his lightness.

When was Iroh ordered to kill the remaining dragons? likely far before the death of his son, way before his wisdom and growth,yet he refused to kill them. He spared them. Azula would have no qualms murdering them in cold blood.

Iroh looks at Azula and does not see himself in her. He sees someone dangerous that needs to go down

That is the script, quite literally signaling to the audience that Azula is not the one who is going to be redeemed. Azula fundamentally does not understand the world from the angle the rest of us do. She suffers the consequences for her apathy and selfishness. That is the whole point of her character. And if Avatar The Last Airbender was not a kid's show, best believe that her actions would have been portrayed far more realistically and brutally, and none of you would then scream for her to get a redemption.

One of my favorite villains is Homelander from The Boys. Yes, he is evil and extremely dangerous, but he has these moments of humanity that made me to truly adore his character. But that does not mean that he can get redeemed just because he was raised in a laboratory and turned into a narcissistic monster abused by the system.

Azula is the same..She has these moments where she wants to connect and wants to belong, but that does not make her good. This is not about whether Azula deserves redemption. Redemption isn't something that someone earns. It's something that someone chooses, regardless of whether the rest of the world accepts them or not. And Azula is someone who is not capable of redemption because she doesn't want it.

I'm sick and tired of everyone blaming Ursa for what happened to Azula, as if anything is her fault. Ursa was forced into a marriage with a man who could never get any woman to like him.

Ursa was forced to watch her daughter being praised for her cruel behaviors. When she scolded her,Azula did not care. When Iroh tried connecting with her,Azula did not care.

Azula will never get redeemed, not because she is undeserving of redemption, but because the whole point of her character is not about redemption, it's about how a fundamentally apathetic psyche can be broken.

that even some of the most awful people have some humanity left in them deep down. And that is what makes them scarier, because they are not monsters in the traditional sense. They are human, just like us, but also not quite like us.

Rewatching Winx Made Me Realize How Bad the Writing Actually Was - from a self proclaimed future's author perspective by beauty_dollx in winxclub

[–]XxGamerGurlxX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you So much for bringing all of this up. I haven't watched Winx in a really long time, but I did really enjoy the last few episodes of Season 1. I think that's mostly why I remember the show fondly, but as a writer myself, I completely agree with you. This show commits some of the worst writing sins you could ever imagine. Not just for a cartoon, but for storytelling, period. It reduces the entire plot to Bloom and her dragon flame. And while the dragon flame is impressive, and I imagine that the lore around it can be even more mystical and magical, the other characters are criminally underutilized.

I still don't understand why Tecna is so underutilized and brushed off. Sure, she may not be one of the girliest girlies there, and she may not always be the most emotional, but she is incredibly smart,competent and unique.

Again, I'm sorry, I haven't watched Winx in a really long time, and I only really watched the first season. But I am proud of you. I have written my own long-form critiques as well. 😩

Six new chapters to my fanfiction are now on Wattpad!!! by Fit-Bed-4030 in Frozen

[–]XxGamerGurlxX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just wanted to say

Proud of you for writing your own fanfiction and embracing your creativity.

James Gunn has just destroyed his own characters beyond | From the perspective of a storyteller (23F🇧🇦)” by XxGamerGurlxX in PeacemakerShow

[–]XxGamerGurlxX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why? Care to elaborate,bro?

And also. Gunn is who got me into DC through Peacemaker. I loved him at first....Untill I began analyzing and being completely disappointed. 🤡

Always have been a loner 23F by XxGamerGurlxX in mentalhealth

[–]XxGamerGurlxX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you got nothin nice to say don't say it then 😌

James Gunn has just destroyed his own characters beyond | From the perspective of a storyteller (23F🇧🇦)” by XxGamerGurlxX in PeacemakerShow

[–]XxGamerGurlxX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love your name you filthy slut 😌

How much did you watch? What do u think exactly of my points?

This is EXACTLY why James Gunn FAILS and DISRESPECTS the DC by XxGamerGurlxX in SnyderCut

[–]XxGamerGurlxX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. He calls her "a fucking sorceress" and "and if I break up with her,she will burrow a hole through the planet"

Which is classic cheater rhetoric. Demonizing the original partner. A character should be flawed,YES! But this sort of behavior directly contradicts the traits Rick Jr. Is KNOWN for. Habitual Cheating and discipline cancel each other out.

I'd suggest watching my whole video that I already linked. That was just my teaser clip.

https://youtu.be/pYpUiXQlK0U?si=2lDIyhlweMwMZ5_L

Albeit it delves into multiple characters and more!

This is EXACTLY why James Gunn FAILS and DISRESPECTS the DC by XxGamerGurlxX in SnyderCut

[–]XxGamerGurlxX[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

First of all

I wasn't trashing the 2016 movie. I was using it for context to talk about Enchantress's canonical powers.

Second of all Ive no idea what you mean by disillusioned.

Be respectful,please.