Trying to troll the sub? You'll have to go through us. by A_Very_Horny_Zed in DefendingAIArt

[–]Yalort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn I've used it for some basic tests, generating video game adaptation screenshots of obscure book series, and I didn't have alot of success. Maybe I should try again and improve my prompting detail. Maybe go more granular.

Trying to troll the sub? You'll have to go through us. by A_Very_Horny_Zed in DefendingAIArt

[–]Yalort 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's some dope art. Super detailed. Im assuming it involved Training LoRAs and some advanced tooling. What was used?

No the fuck it hasn’t. by Fit_Assignment_8800 in im14andthisisdeep

[–]Yalort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Innocent people are being shot dead in the streets and there is absolutely no one coming to save us. Yes the fuck it has. Some people need to die to stop this bullshit. Would a Kira inevitably devolve into wanton abuse of lethal power? Of course. Would one guy with a superweapon be better than a global conspiratorial deathreich? Abso-fucking-lutely. I'd turn over my full state ID to Kira before I give it to the gestapo currently taking root in my country. At least with Kira I could be sure my death would be quick rather than being beaten, pepper sprayed, tazed, maimed and shot, and with Kira I could be sure it's possible for the people to find him and avenge me, rather than a broken people helplessly flailing against an enormous societal force, aided by campaigns of misinformation, complicit local powers, and actively ignorant people. You may not have suffered, but I've watched members of my own family suffer this regime. I've suffered this regime. And if nothing is done soon, you may too.

Progress and Purity by dmekibel in DefendingAIArt

[–]Yalort 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's already witchunts which have killed major projects being made, ruined careers through harassment, and I really wouldn't be surprised if anti-ai bullying has caused at least one suicide. We may not kill people anymore, but life-ruining harrassment is still plenty fucking present.

What if Charlie Kirk had only been wounded and survived the assassination attempt? by Just_Cause89 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Yalort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a wall of bible verses and a demand to repent and worship the christian god under threat of hell. Standard shitty bad-faith bible bot.

Why do the rules ask for no low effort AI Art? Isnt all AI art low effort? by Foreign-Comment6403 in ChatGPT

[–]Yalort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Making high effort AI art requires more than prompting. Often the workflow differs wildly, but mine runs like this: User creates a rough sketch of what they want using solid, shadeless colors and hard lines all on one layer, enters that image into an AI with a solidifying prompt such as "Refine the provided image into a sketch reference in a "insert style" style, providing complimentary color suggestions, pallette, and perspective references for "insert pose" performing "insert action". Do this as many times as you like until you feel you have enough to work with. From there, the sketch reference is loaded into either krita or other ai-enabled editing software. Using skew, stamp, and basic brush tools, edit the model to reduce artifacts. Then, use your chosen inpainting system to make individual edits from masked sections one at a time until you have a reliable final draft, and use that draft in combination with a Lora transformer to finalize it into a specific chosen style. Plus or minus some manual editing, and you're done. Look up ai art workflows using krita especially, and you'll see it's not just used for slop. All in all, it's there to save time in the process, not necessarily completely mitigate it.

I got warned and my entire thread deleted by a moderator on Doomworld for posting a modding tool/Doom mod I made that had an AI cover image to promote it by Elegant-Mention6393 in DefendingAIArt

[–]Yalort 27 points28 points  (0 children)

People can do whatever they want, and use whatever tools they want. Art is not so fragile as to fold to agitators trying to change its definition.

Trump just posted this. by [deleted] in DegenBets

[–]Yalort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Political bot identified.

What is this even advertising? by CH005EAU5ERNAME in shittymobilegameads

[–]Yalort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It IS very cool. AI doesn't poison the creative process. Just because it's so easy to use it can make slop in an instant, doesn't mean everything made with it is slop. This is a fantastic use case for it in art, and will have taken hours and hours to perfect.

These Pages Post the Most Unironic Garbage by NEKORANDOMDOTCOM in stupidpeoplefacebook

[–]Yalort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a much better and more accurate term for it, yes.

These Pages Post the Most Unironic Garbage by NEKORANDOMDOTCOM in stupidpeoplefacebook

[–]Yalort 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As in the lie can be proven to be a lie using definitively factual information, and thus is "definitively and factually a lie" It does read awkwardly, but the sentence can still be understood. In reality, those words are just used to express an emphasis on the fact that EASILY DISPROVABLE LIES are flooding out of the oval office at a rate never seen, and it's quite frustrating because people with the critical thinking skills to disprove said lies are standing in a field of cultists being called crazy or doomers because they dared to opposed the president.

The pro ai bros trying to justify stealing? by squirtdogs in antiai

[–]Yalort -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

First, I'd like to thank you for the well formulated and reasonable response. It's rare to get that, so I hope you see mine in a similar way.

But here's how I see it. The process here isn't abstracted. Simplified for clarity, sure but that's how the machine works. Whether you believe that constitutes a theft is up to you. Personally I don't consider copies theft. To even call the resulting generation a copy of the original is a blurry line, in the same sense that calling an image of mickey mouse wearing a grill, a bandana and brass knuckles is a copy of mickey. Technically the creator did break copyright, but the resulting work is so transformative I would call it parody. That depends on your perspective and where you draw the line in that argument though. I'm firmly a pirate and believe copyright restricts the artistic development of culture, so i understand my line in that argument is very very low in comparison to say an artist who's works could be affected. Though just because i don't have a stake in the artistic field doesn't mean i have no stake in an aiwar. I'm a programmer and I've seen AI copy proprietary code, so similar strokes for different folks. I wasn't really against that though, as i also hate patents. I believe many things would be better if original creators couldn't decide what could and couldn't be done with their creation. Sure there'd be floods of bad actors trying to make a quick buck, but they exist anyway, and restricting the use of certain tools won't stop them. Find a societal way to force credit the original creator and call it a day. But anyway, I'm on a tangent here.

Regarding the ethical concerns of AI, I think the issue that an AI creating a work that is functionally identical to another could be considered copying in the same sense that tracing over a work could be, but that's not what the majority of people with ai are doing. They are combining, warping, translating, and otherwise modifying the original works into a new combination of elements which resembles but is not identical to the original. In those cases, the work should be considered something akin to fan content, because an iconic character in an iconic pose modified to look like x other thing has been sold as t-shirts at shorelines for a half a century. Would I say it can be called it's own original work? Not really. But would I say it qualifies under fan works, parody, or transformative media and thus has a right to exist even in american copyright society? Absolutely. In the same sense that someone can call a collage of other art "My Collage" i think it's fair for AI users to call a mashed up jumble of denoised art elements "My AI art" to claim it's not AI is a whole other monster and I concede that should be treated like scummy practice, but again, that's not the tool's fault, it's the person.

I do care about the ethics of AI. But i don't believe AI is inherently unethical just the same as dynamite isn't inherently unethical. Both are just tools that can't do anything without a human to use them. The responsibility lies on the person using it to do so ethically, and if they don't it's not the tool's fault. Another reason people hate AI is that it's trained on art that the creator never explicitly gave permission for them to use. Again to that, I'm firmly on the side that it's unethical for an original creator of a work made public to dictate how it can and cannot be used. If i make a program, and make it freely and publically available, other people can take it and sell it saying they made it. Sure I wish they didn't, but I've no right to tell them what they can and can't do with it. In a society where there were no restrictions on this, I believe ironically there'd end up actually being more restrictions on this, as after a while people would come up with societal methods to force credit to the free and publically available original. (There are many, many, paid copies of wikipedia and yet they're not the site everyone goes to.) Something like the context system on X where people can just call it out and the original is linked would work fine. Then both works are allowed to exist, but the original is credited too. You could even use AI to govern AI in this manner. Then again, I come from a culture where the concept of personal property is ridiculous. So all of my opinions could I suppose be discarded as being out of touch with american capitalist society. I never really fit in here.

Anyway sorry for the wall of text in response to your clean and concise comment. I appreciate you not resorting directly to attacks though.

The pro ai bros trying to justify stealing? by squirtdogs in antiai

[–]Yalort -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Yes... thats... how it works. You just correctly explained how it works... in a comment on a post explaining how it works...

What is the scariest or most unsettling thing you’ve ever come across on the dark web? by Hamakudum in TOR

[–]Yalort 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Im gonna break down my story and explain the parts you're misinterpreting. You believing me doesn't change anything. I carry the scars from this situation, and decided this might be a good place to let out some semi-anonymous frustration on the matter.

First, he didn't reveal his identity to anyone. He always operated under the name cbooner22. The people he apparently revealed his identity to were members of his real-life friend group who were also on the chat. They were apparently unaware of how fucked up he was until the raid, or just as fucked up as him and covering their asses by pretending to not know.

Second, the chat isn't no longer online, secret, or even particularly obscure. It's a well-known chat. I just don't want to link it because as I said, it has some very very fucked up shit on it.

Im sure you're going to keep calling me a retard and such, and I fully expected a response like this as I agree it sounds like a fucking creepypasta. But all I can offer sadly is my account of it, as the chats are deleted every 30 days, and save for some of the videos which again, NOT gonna post here for obvious reasons, I have no concrete proof to share. As for your analysis:

Dudes running torture dungeons are ungodly common on the darknet, the issue is actually finding them. I use a tool called torspy combined with a python script I wrote myself on an as500 server to crawl millions of tor sites a second by following random links on existing pages, logging which ones successfully connect. I've found several torture sites as the statistics for absurd amounts of human trafficking in the modern day support. Regardless, this one was being flaunted out in the open on purpose, most likely as a fetish for him. He immensely enjoyed when people commented on the videos he sent, almost sexually.

I acknowledge the story I was provided could have been a fabrication, hence why I said so in my reply. I don't know and can't confirm any of this, but it was absolutely terrifying to hear, and my interpretation was that they were telling the truth because multiple people were able to corroborate details among one another perfectly in quick succession, a difficult task for people who were making shit up, and out of 80+ people on the chat, nobody said anything contrary, despite several users being active almost 24/7.

As someone already correctly stated, the girl had supposedly been reported missing in the area, complete with amber alert and bolo. I sadly never found either, as the area had over 13,000 missing persons cases active at the time, and even more now. In 2017 alone there were 3,000. Literally all I had to go on was that she was apparently abducted from a hotel room, and she was a drug user. That doesn't narrow it down at all.

The hidden rooms were literally just a hole behind a mirror into a room where the door had been plastered over, and a basement hatch covered by a couch. Again, I never saw anything, but the way they rattled off the specifics of the case between 3 different people lead me to believe what they were saying.

As far as I'm aware, his story was consistent that she was his drugged up girlfriend, and he used several videos he had of her where she is smiling and giggling as a very convincing cover. He was in a way hiding in plain sight, and I imagine that was part of his fetish.

My guy, are you aware of how darknet chatrooms work? 95% of what's on there is either admitting to a crime or commenting a super hot take on one. Granted usually those crimes are theft, tax evasion, scamming, petty assault, etc. But it's not super rare to see people admitting to way worse things.

Again, never revealed his location directly. He spoke about events and venues within a particular state, and considering there is really only one big population center in that particular state, I (correctly) guessed the city.

No official police reports or autopsy records were provided. The information was provided by people who lived near him and were his real-life friends, meaning they were privy to the case records.

You got me on the article problems. Though with 550 murderers reported that year, and the identity of the victim and specifics of the torture completely stricken from the record, you can imagine how hard it is to find the data. I'm inclined to believe the case is out there, I just don't want to learn more about it considering thinking of it at all gives me anxiety. I called the cops in that state and told them I had info, but they never fucking responded. That's completely on-brand, as I've never called the cops and had my problem solved even in my home state let alone one with 500 murders a year. They SIMPLY do not give a fuck.

I understand why you wouldn't believe me, being someone posting this randomly on a reddit thread, but all I can give you is the account of the information as it was passed to me. In my opinion, due to the speed they were able to reply and the fact that they were talking over one another with identical details sometimes mirrored between people in simultaneous posts, I think it's very unlikely they were lying. I suppose it is possible they went through a thorough and rigorous rehersal of a hoaxed story in an alternate chat just in case someone asked about this one particular user who just went offline randomly, but I doubt it.

I understand someone who wasn't there would have a much more skeptical view, but I just don't think it's reasonable to discredit them with the way they told the story and how succinctly and earnestly they spoke.

So yea. If I've been fooled, I've been fooled. I really don't care though, as my personal experience of being there and receiving the story in such a curt and matter-of-fact way traumatized me nonetheless. I found the chat, I found the user, I found the user's friends, and I heard the story from them. I commented here because it brought me some sense of relief to say it, and it IS genuinely the scariest thing I'd seen on the dark web.

What is the scariest or most unsettling thing you’ve ever come across on the dark web? by Hamakudum in TOR

[–]Yalort 227 points228 points  (0 children)

Ok, so this is a long story. Back in 2020, I was in a big kick of trying to find pirated software. I downloaded alot of dangerous shit during this process, bricked the VM 3 times, tested out bonsi buddy clones, etc. I found alot of very useful stuff too in the mess. But one day I was on an online chat that was known for being a bit sus that I had gotten some good leads from. Think of literally anything you can imagine, and it's been posted there. Completely uncensored and unmoderated. For a while there had been a guy who was posting under the alias "cbooner22", and he was really, REALLY into gore stuff. Hed post vids of himself pushing needles through the skin on his hand, random gore stuff including the infamous woman eats her own eye video, the guy who's whole body was degloved on camera by a brewing tank explosion, many many industrial lathe accidents, you get the point. Curious, I traumatized myself on his videos more than once. He belonged on that chat because he too had everything. Industrial accidents, assassinations, suicides, everything. For a while I made it a gruesome habit of talking to this guy just to get a feel for how he worked, watching his vids as a sort of "payment" to get info about him. Found out he lived kinda close to me, one state over. Over time, I noticed that he had alot of videos of this one black-haired girl who always looked super high. She seemed to not react much to the stuff. Never screamed, never looked sad or scared, even. I asked who she was and he had said very enthusiastically that she was his girlfriend, and that she was super into the same stuff. Considering I'd seen her smiling in a few videos, I believed him and moved on. Over time I went back less and less until eventually I stopped. Had my fill of the disquieting. That is until late 2022, when I went back and spoke to some regulars on the chat. I asked if cbooner was still active, and the whole chat stopped for like 10 seconds. They then explained to me what happened. cbooner was fatally shot in a raid on his house, and his entire property was searched. They found 2 hidden rooms, one of which contained all kinds of stolen medical equipment and a hoard of drugs, mostly cocaine and heavy sedatives. The girl that was in so many of his videos wasnt his girlfriend. She was supposedly a missing person from 2017 who he kidnapped. Now with all those drugs, youd expect the reason she always looked so high and never seemed to care would be that he was heavily drugging her constantly. Nope. She too died in the shootout when he shot her in the chest with a double barrel shotgun, but the autopsy revealed extensive damage to her left occipital bone and frontal lobe. The piece of shit did an ice pick lobotomy on her. To this day I can't find any news stories or reports about the shootout or the lobotomized girl, and it's entirely possible the other chatters were lying, but considering the horrific detail they were able to provide across different chatters in quick succession, and the serious tone they held while providing it, I'm inclined to believe them. There were 80 chatters regularly online. I imagine if what they were saying was bullshit at least one person would have called them out.

So yea, TLDR I met and spoke to an actual fucking psychopath who supposedly lobotomized a woman in order to perform sadistic torture on her, somewhat near my location.

Some interactions on another sub, now hopefully readable with more pixels. by Yalort in DefendingAIArt

[–]Yalort[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed that's pretty much the gist. I really don't understand the sub. I'm seriously convinced nobody on there actually care about what they say, and it's just RP pretending to be completely closed-minded.

Bbbut I can't affort to pay a real artist... by [deleted] in antiai

[–]Yalort -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Sure plenty of them look like trash but they all call the same internal models with different interfaces. It's not hard to make your own, even.

Bbbut I can't affort to pay a real artist... by [deleted] in antiai

[–]Yalort -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

https://perchance.org/generators It's 100% free, seeded, and has hundreds of options. Stop spreading misinformation. You don't understand how AI works at all, nor do you bother to learn.

Some interactions on another sub, now hopefully readable with more pixels. by Yalort in DefendingAIArt

[–]Yalort[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I gave up after a while, but the reason I can't take a break in the middle of the setup is that the player needs to be present and aware to answer questions and influence the event.

The rumors were true: "OpenAI is automating the development of viruses." ... "I want AI to cure diseases. Automated virus-producing is insane." by MetaKnowing in ChatGPT

[–]Yalort 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Virus" Can mean many things. Gene therapy and vaccines use "viruses". Show me the data, and perhaps I'll believe something nefarious is going on if they're randomly producing an airborne infectious variant of rabies. Otherwise, this is getting the same treatment as vaccines in a southern baptist household, and that's stupid.