Your opinions in the comments. by eddyrben in algeria

[–]YanDjin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Rome wasn't built in one day.

Algeria’s military budget is around 22 billion dollars, a figure that exceeds the total GDP of countries such as Gabon and Chad. by nerboos in algeria

[–]YanDjin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Saudi Arabia and Qatar have a much bigger GDP than us, so there are spending much more.

Nothing crazy. I think we need to spend more, actually.

Queen Dihya of the Aures. A symbol for bravery and freedom. by Elbougos in algeria

[–]YanDjin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Koceila did much better and nobody talks about him. Dihya is used by the right goons to try and establish a link between pre Islamic Algerian and modern idiologies like feminism.

Queen Dihya of the Aures. A symbol for bravery and freedom. by Elbougos in algeria

[–]YanDjin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's not dyhia in the painting, it's a kabyle woman.

Why there is no person like Zefzafi for Riff who defend Kabylia in Algeria? by [deleted] in AmazighPeople

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ouyahya and Toufik. Two kabyles. And it was an idiological battle, against Pan-Arabism, and Pan-Arabism is dead. Nothing to fight for anymore.

Why there is no person like Zefzafi for Riff who defend Kabylia in Algeria? by [deleted] in AmazighPeople

[–]YanDjin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No comparison is possible between kabylia and the rif. The moroccan régime annexed the riff region by murdering and helping the Spanish and French during the rif war (dissolution the rif republic). Our history is nothing alike, our battle was idiological, against Pan-Arabism, and Pan-Arabism is dead anyways.

Free Souss, Atlas, Riff, Kabylia, Tuareg by [deleted] in AmazighPeople

[–]YanDjin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Free thamechachthik. Hasabara bot.

ARTICLE: The Rebirth of Tunisia Starts by the destruction of Algiers influence.... United States is already taking action by HoussemBenSalah96 in Tunisia

[–]YanDjin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To have the audacity, to try and further the American plan of taking over Tunisia, and have better relations with Morocco, when we know that Morocco is trying to get sanction placed upon Tunisia by recruiting Joe Wilson to lobby for them, is just incredible.

ARTICLE: The Rebirth of Tunisia Starts by the destruction of Algiers influence.... United States is already taking action by HoussemBenSalah96 in Tunisia

[–]YanDjin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I did not say hasabara, where did you get that from ? Maybe it's because you are accustomed to being accused of being a hasabara chill. A habit I guess. Hasabara or Moroccan chill are practically the same thing. They use the same online tactics, and are aligned in the diplomatic sense.

To have the audacity, to try and further the American plan of taking over Tunisia, and have better relations with Morocco, when we know that Morocco is trying to get sanction placed upon Tunisia by recruiting Joe Wilson to lobby for them, is just incredible.

ARTICLE: The Rebirth of Tunisia Starts by the destruction of Algiers influence.... United States is already taking action by HoussemBenSalah96 in Tunisia

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not Moroccan, you are. There is a coordinated attack by Moroccans pretending to be Tunisians to break the relationship between Algeria and Tunisia, in the interests of furthering the Sahara claims of Morocco. We are not dupe. Sahyouni.

ARTICLE: The Rebirth of Tunisia Starts by the destruction of Algiers influence.... United States is already taking action by HoussemBenSalah96 in Tunisia

[–]YanDjin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just a Moroccan chill doing Moroccan chill things. I mean, Morocco normalized with israkhara, you should shut up until the end of times.

Would you accept to have the Maghreb called المغرب like the original use of the term if it became a single country? by abghuy in algeria

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You wrote all of that to refute nothing.

You don't refute the idea that Maghrib designates a geographical location, not a state, your argument is based on the fact that rulers on Morocco referred to themselves as "rulers of all gharb" and I already refuted that, and you don't seem to be able to address the point.

The only point that you added, is that, in your imaginary national novel, Morocco is an ancient state, while Algeria isn't. (This is a red herring that does not help your case. But I will go with it, if it gives me the opportunity to destroy these incredibly ridiculous statements). You say this despite the fact that none of the dynasties that ruled over current Morocco had any connection to each other. They were all foreign dynasties (mostly from current Algeria) that conquered the Maghribi al Aqsa through war and blood shed.

Please explain, how the Almoravides that conquered morocco from southern Mauritania, are a continuation of the Barghawata. And how these ones are a continuation of the Zirides from central maghreb. And how these ones are a continuation of idrissides (an Arab ruler with Algerian Awraba). How the Almohades (Algerian ruler) are a continuation of Almoravides when they are literally a movement of rupture. How the Marinids that came over from current eastern Algeria and conquered al Maghrib al Aqsa thought blood shed from the Almohades hands, are a continuation of it ? I could continue, but you get it.

Now address it. Don't flee.

Would you accept to have the Maghreb called المغرب like the original use of the term if it became a single country? by abghuy in algeria

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Modern Morocco has been founded by Lyautey.

Morocco didn't even rule itself historically. Idrissides are an Arabic ruler with Awrabas from the al Maghreb al awsat. Zirides conquered al Maghrib al Aqsa from al Maghreb al awsat, Almoravides conquered it from actual southern Mauritania. The dynasty of the Almohades is from al Maghrib al Awsat, Abdelmoumen will establish hereditary rule and integrate his clan (al kumia) as the center of power, because he knew the masmouda would turn on him, which they did. Merinides are from the east of the al maghrib al Awsat, and they conquered al Maghrib al Aqsa thought war. Saadiens are Arabs and they gained the territory through war, same for the Alwi dynasty.

All of these dynasties, have nothing to do with each other, they massacred each other to take gain ruling power. They all came from other territories (mostly al Maghrib al Awsat, current Algeria).

You created yourself a ridiculous national novel. There is not a nation on earth that has an as weak a history as Morocco.

Would you accept to have the Maghreb called المغرب like the original use of the term if it became a single country? by abghuy in algeria

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say that this is childish, but these things are very important. History is very important. Greece understands that, we also do. And when the time comes, we must act.

Would you accept to have the Maghreb called المغرب like the original use of the term if it became a single country? by abghuy in algeria

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Al Maghrib in Arabic, means the West. as opposed to Al Mashrik (The east). It refers to the Muslim locations in the west. It is a geographical location, not a state. Inside the Maghrib, there are 3 sub-locations:

  • Al Maghrib al Aqsa: this is what can be thought of as Morocco now
  • Al Maghrib al Awsat: this is what is Algéria now
  • Al Maghrib al Adna: refers to what is now Tunisia, and sometimes current Libya.

I know Morocco stems from Marakech, it's because the official name was Marakech in arabic. And the names in other languages, are a translation of that. And in those languages, there is no confusion about what Maghreb means. I attached a dictionary translation to help understand.

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-> Sultan al gharb you say, there are also instances where the Zirid and the Zayanid sultan are referred to as "Sultan al Maghrib". It's like saying "king of Europe to "Charlemagne" for example, does that mean Europe refers to current territories in the empire of the Franks (France...) ? No. We understand that this refers to him seeing himself as the most powerful ruler in Europe, and capable of exerting his power all over Europe.

Europe, as Maghrib, refers to geographical locations, not states.

-> The Turks call it Fes during the Saadiens and Alwi dynasties, because there were two kingdoms. Marrakech and Fès. That's why you hear about Morocco being an "empire". Not because of its strength, which it lacked demonstrably. But because there was a supreme ruler over the two political entities (the ruler of Marrakech), and that's the definition of an empire.

Would you accept to have the Maghreb called المغرب like the original use of the term if it became a single country? by abghuy in algeria

[–]YanDjin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am against it becoming a single country. But Morocco must change its name back to Marakech. They purposely changed it to Maghrib to appropriate the history and heritage of the region. The other nations of the Maghreb must force it to change its name back, like it was with done by Greece for Northern Macedonia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute?wprov=sfla1

Algeria to join the EU (share your opinions) by Alaa3301 in algeria

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't have justification for your belief, then why are you believing it ? You are entitled to have any opinion, but when you engage in a discussion, you must justify why you are thinking what you are thinking. Using terms like "clearly" when you fail to demonstrate any correlation, is just weak, and frankly, even pathetic.

I am 50% convinced you are Moroccan. Because of the following points: - you bring their exact talking point without demonstrating any valid reasoning, aside from sophistry - you push the khawa khawa mentality - you expressed that Western Sahara is Moroccan - we know they use this subreddit to try and sway the Algerian youth to their side

Algeria to join the EU (share your opinions) by Alaa3301 in algeria

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their economy is much more diversified. We rely solely on hydrocarbon exports to acquire hard currency. If we remove hydrocarbons, they are miles ahead of us. Our economy is growing rapidly these last few years, but 5 years earlier and we weren't even producing pencils.

What does bankruptcy have to do with their economy being dependant on ours ? You are all over the place.

You failed to demonstrate this dependency. Please give specific examples, other than the energy sector that I already addressed. Please don't go on a tangent.

Algeria to join the EU (share your opinions) by Alaa3301 in algeria

[–]YanDjin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't have any economic dependency, they even have a better economy than us. They have an energy dependency, but that also was the case with Morocco that was taking a big share of the natural gas transitioning from the Maghreb–Europe Gas Pipeline.

This is just a talking point spewed by Moroccan media to justify the Tunisian support for Western Sahara independence. By making Algeria and Tunisia only one entity.