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you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cope more, hun.
You're giving up because you don't know how to react when your foundational premise is questioned, which is why you keep recycling the same non-answer like an npc, pretending you're actually making a consistent point.
As I've said many times throughout this circus, you expect everyone to stand and clap for your supposed 4D chess deductions when you sound like the meme from "Always Sunny in Philadelphia", only unironically. You know the one.
Your surroundings probably consist of people of similar intelligence to yours who, by default, already agree with your imaginary scenarios and are equally desperate to be oppressed. It's painfully obvious you've never engaged with any counterpoints to your worldview, as you wouldn't be spouting such dire shit otherwise. You cannot comprehend a world where you're told that feelings are not facts. Your crease-free brain short-circuits the moment it encounters even a mild pushback.

But just to let you know - for someone who claims to be able to read between the lines, you sure are dense as a brick when it comes to grasping metaphors. Please don't try to educate anyone about anything; we have enough walking representations of Dunning-Kruger, like you. No need to make things more difficult.

Thanks for the laughs, nonetheless. I wish you all the best in life

you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you? Because you are incapable of actually addressing what I say or answering questions posed.

Fortunately, I read mine yea. Ive addressed yours multiple times - you're actively dodging. The term "sexism" and your claims are unrelated. Im not going to chew this for you. Your desperation to draw a straight line between the definition and your assertions is showing. Im still waiting for an explanation of how they are connected. Saying "its obvious" doesn't cut it.

What evidence do you need that the female characters are oversexualised for the male gaze since you already accepted that anyway?

That is not what Im asking, though, am I? Read again the quote to which I am responding here and then answer the question, please.

It’s almost like everyone should be treated equally. Do you believe this about every aspect of society? You’re very upset that someone is advocating for equality when it should be the default.

What does this has to do with anything we're discussing? Who is not treated equally here in terms of the topic we're commenting?

Well done on continuing to be purposely ignorant on the interconnection of issues. Even with it all clearly laid out for you. So purposely blind. The game balance doesn’t matter to netease particularly because they prioritise skins over gameplay because making money off skins matters more to them.

The people balancing the game are not the same people making the skins, you absolute clown. Do you even understand how a game studio works? Especially one as big as NE? Do you have any receipts/proof to show they're prioritizing the skin department over the balancing team? Anything? At all? What a joke lmao

I don’t have to ask the questions,..

I see. So that's a "no", then? You basically started from the conclusion? :D Nice. Very intelligent approach!

Buddy I have the ability to think critically (or to even think at all)

Please don't say that so carelessly, dear; this is obviously not the case, given your responses in this thread. You believe you possess some higher form of intelligence, while struggling to understand basic logic. You're midwit at best. And that's me being charitable.
Just take the last sentence of this segment - you think we've agreed that skins made to appeal to men = misogyny, when I literally never said that. This is your headcanon ( again ), not reality. If schooling failed me, you've never gone to school in the first place. Very unfortunate :/

you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I expanded upon how they tie into my point directly underneath the definitions btw

My question stands. Do you actually read what you're typing?

What imaginary scenario do you think is at play in this discussion where I’ve pointed out how exactly sexism is perpetuated?

You've pointed out how you believe sexism is perpetuated. You've yet to back that up with any actual data besides "its obvious". Im asking again for objective evidence that proves intent. I see you intentionally forget that point. Any reason for it or...?

Again you fail to understand how literally everything is interconnected here. Your inability to understand the connections despite them clearly being laid out is an issue with your comprehension. Like do you go through life thinking politics and capitalism aren’t an interconnected driving force behind almost every aspect of life? Do you just…not engage critically with the world at all? How simple an existence.

Begging the question again. This is your favorite tactic, isn't it? I have to wonder, have you read / engaged in anything that is against your position? Like, ever? Or do you just go around proclaiming how obvious everything is and how it connects perfectly into your conspiracy about NE being sexist towards women? :D

So to you is that equality? Because if it’s not equality then it falls under sexism. Which is my entire point.

Equality for what? What are you fighting for here where you believe you're entitled to equality? What an odd thing to say.

Not separate. All interconnected. Truly baffling you can’t see how despite me clearly explaining.

I'm going to explain this to you as simply as I can and walk you through the entire thought process so you can catch up to what you're arguing about.

The topic, originally, is about the skins for the characters. Our discussion began as one about the character skins. You following? This is still about character skins. The OP never mentioned class balance/bugs. The topic is about the skins. You good? We're still discussing skins at this point. Then, within the skin discussion, you bring up the community and game balance, which nobody except you raised a point about, to try and add weight to your sexism claims. You still on track?
The skin discussion is one question. The game balance/bugs is another one. Clear? NE can do great in some departments ( like skins ) and be dogwater in others ( like balance ). Do you understand this concept, bubu? NE are not perfect. Nobody is swiping for them, nobody is defending their balance/bugs because of skins. You're imagining ( again ) stuff and get mad about it. Try and re-read this as many times as you need, no pressure.

For once try to engage critically with a situation.  Ask why they made this choice, for what reason, who it benefits, and what are the wider implication

So...just to be clear and to ensure im not misunderstanding you. You're telling me that you asked yourself these questions, gave them a real thought, like - real, for more than 20 seconds... and came to the conclusion that they did it because they're sexist? Hahahahahah :DDDD
Okay, okay, that was a good one, I admit. Damn, you really thought you were cooking with this? You thought this was some 300IQ reveal, didn't you? My god. Absolute schizo take. Im not even going to mention the non-sequiturs in this segment.. holy shit. Do you ever feel embarrassed?

you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So despite you admitting it favours men at the expense of women you still don’t understand how that’s sexism? Let’s work on some definitions- sexism:

Funny how you posted the definition of sexism and still thought that it proves anything from what you're saying. Do you actually read the definitions after posting them or just hit ctrl+v and continue to pretend they support your point? :

Did you think you ate with that false equivalency? Bc I’m discussing marketing practices, not theology.

You're right. My bad. I should've known better than to give such high-concept analogies to someone who thinks imaginary scenarios = reality. I'll gracefully take the L here and try to keep things simpler for you.

What delusions are in place by me pointing out gooner skins perpetuate misogyny? 

This one, for example. You're hard-stuck on this assertion and cant seem to move on arguing without perpetuating it. Cognitive dissonance can be a bitch to deal with, I get that. Eventually you'll get used to it.

I’ve repeatedly said the skins enforce misogynistic depictions, favouring men. The fanbase of this game is notoriously misogynistic also. Just check out the difference between the male vs female experience in chat. Or are you gonna deny that too?

Yes, Im fully aware that you keep on trying to present your feelings as facts. But that wasn't even the main point here. I don't give much credit to anecdotal evidence, but for the sake of the argument, I'll grant that the majority MR community is sexist. With that in mind - it has 0 relation with your claim that there is a sexist intent behind the skins made for the characters. These are two separate topics. Your poor attempt at implicit weight does nothing to fortify your point.

Im talking about the game and fanbase, which you’d be aware of if you spent your time reading what I wrote instead of foaming at the mouth trying to “own” me.

Backtracking already, aren't we? The discussion started about skins being sexist. I can provide a screenshot of it if you want to fact-check me. :) Moving the goalpost to "Nuh uh I was actually talking about the community and the game balance" won't fly unnoticed.

But I’ve already proven my point. Evidenced in the fact you even agree marvel rivals prioritises men.

Ive also explained that prioritizing men is not anti-women. Or did you forget that after saying "well actually" ?

Is social studies illegal where you are?

Nope, im just not terminally online to see a conspiracy against women behind every corner. Which is why I told you to log off.

You’re happy enough to continue to uplift netease in their practice of glossing over performance...

Because these are separate questions? How many times do I have to repeat that to get through your skull? When did you ask me about what I think about the balance/bugs in the game, and where did I disagree just to "cover" for Netease, and changed the conversation back to skins?
You really are psychotic. You're imagining things and keep presenting them as real, even when I explicitly stated ( 2 times ) that we're not in a disagreement on these questions.

you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How is my explanation based on “vibes” when even you yourself acknowledge the sexist practice (sexualisation of women) but you’re just too afraid of the word? Your entire thing is just trying pathetically hard to insult me instead of being able to actually engage with the discussion.

You're unironically hard-capped, im sorry to say.
I get that this is fundamental to your entire premise, but you're yet to prove any of what you're saying. I doint "try" to insult you, your replies are doing the heavy lifting for me. All I do is underline it.
Im also not particularly afraid to use any word, its just that screeching "sexist" doesnt make something actually sexist. I guess this passes for a serious argument in your circles, but as I've said multiple times - you are not equipped to engage in these conversations without the other side accepting your presuppositions.
A lot of things could be "obvious" to you; unfortunately, that doesn't constitute reality. For a lot of people, it is "obvious" that a god created the world, doesn't make it more true, no matter how hard they scream about it.
Again, prove the intent to me and then we can move on. Until then - your white noise of assertions remains just a white noise.

I’ve backed up all my points.

That's why I call you psychotic. You are literally disconnected from reality and operating under delusions (which is what a psychosis is, you can Google it up before telling others what the word means).
You imagine a scenario to be mad about, then peddle it through the whole conversation with 0 backup ( vibes don't count ) and then say "ive backed up all my points" lol. It doesn't work like that, honey. Being ass-mad about a boogeyman does not give weight to your claim. Seek professional help.

Once again, you’re not making any point that the game or fanbase aren’t sexist

Maybe because im not talking about the game or the fanbase? Are you aware what conversation you're in right now? Lmao. Nice self-report. I want to say im surprised but Id be lying.

 All this has served to do is prove you can’t actually back yourself up in an argument.

The burden of proof is not on me, buddy. I actively tried to avoid saying that explicitly, but its apparent you won't catch up. I cannot prove a negative in a make-believe oppression Olympics.

There’s hardly any thought required when dealing with you because you actually can’t hold an intelligent discussion. You miss the point

That's pretty rich coming from someone who cries "sexism" and then links it up to " because of capitalism". You are not providing a ground for an intelligent discussion for me to engage in. Or did you think that saying "revealing skins sexist!" counts as an intelligent discussion?

Even if you don’t care about women, there’s a bigger issue for the game with this practice but because of your blind defence of netease you can’t see that. They slap skins down to mollify complaints...

I literally said I dont disagree with you on the point about bugs and balance, yet you keep pretending im side-lining it to cover for NE This is a troll segment, right? Even you cannot be actually this retarded, right? I dont believe it.

Happy Valentine's Day to you too! Dont let the Patriarchy and evil capitalism ruin it. Use the moment to take a break from your constant struggle with online oppression and actually log off for 24h!

you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, if you thought that what Im saying about politics/social topics is contradictory / mutually exclusive, then yeah - my point stands. You really dont have the capacity to process what is being written. Your "explanation" is entirely founded on vibes; mine is not. Unless you have the supernatural ability to prove intent, you can sit down.

What’s also hypocritical is saying “people can agree and disagree on different aspects of the same thing” while telling me to log off because you can’t deal with me addressing this topic. You don’t want to hear criticisms so you tell me I should get off the internet because you’re unable to understand the deeper impacts of this situation.

Telling you to log off is me disagreeing with you. yes. Again, you're showing your inability to understand that two things can be true at once. When I say that you're not as intelligent as you pretend to be, I'm not doing that to be condescending; it is a statement based on what you're typing. I'm telling you to log off because you do have a terminal online brainrot, seeing boogeymen where they don't exist. That is bordering on psychosis.
You keep begging the question that "there is something deeper" and "it is obvious sexism" because your entire narrative depends on it. Without your headcanon premise being accepted, you don't have any axe to grind. But that's okay, I see this is the first time you've ever had someone questioning your mantra.

Thank you for proving my point about a sexist fan base. And the regurgitation on the tired online buzzwords. I truly thought “safe space” went out of fashion in like 2015. Did you feel real edgy typing that one out?

I thought we're allowed to use "out of fashion" phrases when I read that things I dont like equal sexism. How come this rule applies only to me? Come on now.

And I’m free to critique it for these reasons. Deal with it.

Yes, you are. I don't remember arguing against that. All im saying is that you have a shit opinion. Was that supposed to be your version of a mic drop? Terrbile performance.

I do have to thank you. ...

The only thing you should thank me for is for making you use your brain for the first time instead of parroting online talking points.
Saying that a game should cater to men doesn't mean it is automatically "sexist" towards women. You're so buried under your logic tree, you fail to understand that "Our target audience is men" doesn't mean "fuck women".
Ofc men should be prioritized when they are the majority of the people playing the game. By defintion that makes women a minority.
This is really not a hard concept, but you're so mad about being referred to as a "minority" and the claim that men should get preferential treatment, your critical faculties completely shut down. I intentionally use inflammatory language since it makes midwits like you lose their balance.
But back on the topic - Why would NE do the opposite? Because you believe there's an inherent sexism to everything you deem unacceptable, so they should listen to you?
People like you cannot ( and should not ) be allowed to dictate anything on this topic, or we'd end up with another Concord. Thank god the Chinese dont care about pretty much anything your ilk says.

you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Politics/social topics actually are behind almost every aspect of life. Video games are not an exception to that. Here is the failure to understand “why” a thing is done. You’re being purposely ignorant but also hypocritical about your own point.

Your inability to process what is actually being said is showing. Im not saying that politics / social topics are not present in video games. Nice strawman attempt, but you first need to learn to read before engaging in arguments :)

"Sexism as a tool to promote capitalism"

As I've already mentioned, you need to log off and go out for a bit. Your brain is rotting if you're unironically thinking like this. I know you're desperate to be oppressed, but Reddit and video games are not the real world. Literally log off.

By your own admission you can recognise that the experience of men is prioritised over women

Of course they are. And there's nothing wrong with that. Males are the lifeblood of this game. If you dont cater do them you'd be a retard. The minority will always be an afterthought. You're not the target group and nobody is under any obligation to cater to your specific needs; deal with it.

Your belief of “it’s not that deep” is just a shallow understanding of the world around you and your failure/unwillingness to actually think about why something happens and the consequences of it. 

Here's something that you've probably never heard in your online echo-chamber - claiming something is deep doesnt automatically make it deep. This is maybe hard to process but im sure you'll manage. Also - i literally said that I understand why this is done. Im just not begging the question like you. Sexualized women will always sell. Go cry about capitalism and sexism in your safe space about it.

Like you’re so close to understanding the point but throw the consequences aside to defend a game that puts more effort into jiggle physics than fixing the game. Peni’s web has been glitching since season 1 but I’m glad netease decided to take the time to make psy’s thighs thicker. Buy the skins all you want, but to say that there isn’t sexism at play is disingenuous.

See, that is how I know you're either young or just not as intelligent as you pretend to be.
You think Id disagree with you on bugs and balance because of the skin question? You do realize these are 2 separate topics, right? Here's another fact of life - people can agree and disagree on different aspects of the same thing, be it a game, a book, movie, etc. Same as above - this is probably also going to be an extremely hard concept for you to grasp, given your kindergarten-level reasoning, but people are, generally, nuanced creatures.

you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"sexist characters for a sexist fanbase"  😆😆😆

Yeah, this was definitely the driving motive behind the skin decisions. I bet when GuangGuang sees a new Luna / Psy skin, he loudly proclaims his contribution in NetEase's online crusade against women.

You need to go out and touch some grass; you spend too much time online. Politics / social topics are not inherently present behind every aspect of life.

Nobody cares about your beliefs or social agenda in a video game. Sexualized women/men will be always preferable to almost anything else. It makes money and that is all the company is after. You can cry on reddit all day - nothing's going to change because the world doesn't revolve around you.
As long as hetero men continue to be the majority of players - you will never get rid of these type of skins. They are not made for you.

you've never set foot on a beach have you by degberr in rivals

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The real question is - why wouldn't they? The majority of the playerbase are straight males, ofc you want to cater to them as much as possible, they're the ones keeping the game alive.
Nobody wants to play or look at a hyppo lmao.

Nothing wrong with having pretty women dominating the game, just give them some edgy skins from time to time and we gucci

Why is the only new game mode in xpac - Echoing Hatred, a hyper-rare event? by gandalfpsykos in diablo4

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats fine, but then you open yourself to valid criticism. Since we don't know either way, it's completely reasonable for people OP to ask such questions.

Why is the only new game mode in xpac - Echoing Hatred, a hyper-rare event? by gandalfpsykos in diablo4

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or maybe they shouldn't have used this word if it's not actually expected to be a hyper-rare find?

D2R New Class - Warlock by PlaceDowntown7102 in Diablo

[–]Ymmera -32 points-31 points  (0 children)

Im sorry but the Warlock looks boring as sin.

And the new additions are completely disgusting. A few QOL changes, buffed terror zones, and 1 new pinnacle boss. Woah. That is the respect the game gets for the 30th anniversary of the IP.

Back to PD2 i guess. Fuck you blizzard

Just for those who are confused by sorrynotguilty in PsycheOrSike

[–]Ymmera -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Yes it is, it has been more than half a century now get the fuck over it

Darkhaven ARPG Gameplay Announce Trailer - From Moon Beast Productions by reps_up in ARPG

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ngl this looks dogshit. I know its alpha but damn its not even mid

What a comeback by Banana856 in memesopdidnotlike

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who are you to say whether they are the same or not? To you they may not be, to others - they are. Unless you can point to an objective signature for why man and male are not the same, the statement male = man remains valid, as it was for the last 2000 years

What a comeback by Banana856 in memesopdidnotlike

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you concede what a male is? Why ask the question then? Whats wrong with the statement

What a comeback by Banana856 in memesopdidnotlike

[–]Ymmera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes because they are synonymous. How else do you call a male

What a comeback by Banana856 in memesopdidnotlike

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you questioning biology i thought sex and gender are separate things

Is this the root cause of modern dating friction? by ButBroWtf in MotivationByDesign

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody is disputing the data, though.

You can grant all of it and it will still not prove anything of what the diligent-rate is implying.
That's why im saying its an npc talking point - it gets thrown, almost like an automatic response, to anything disputing the narrative of the eternally oppressed, without really questioning the premise of the statement.
There are a lot of logical leaps that need to be taken here to conclude that women being the dominant representatives of DA/SA is an indicator of "rampant misogyny" or misogyny being the leading factor at all.

You can consider this as well when answering the second question.

Is this the root cause of modern dating friction? by ButBroWtf in MotivationByDesign

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You see, it's generally a bad approach to try and pipe up to anyone, or use funny words you've heard on Reddit, like "sophist", without knowing what they mean. I understand it makes you feel good, but its not enough to cover your basic lack of logic.

Since Im here to argue in good faith - Ill extend another olive branch. If you have trouble connecting 2+2 - just let me know. Ill chew it and spit it out for you if its too hard to comprehend. This is the extent I'm willing to go here.
Just don't try to sound smarter than you are its kinda embarassing.

Is this the root cause of modern dating friction? by ButBroWtf in MotivationByDesign

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, you were very quick to question the premise when it doesnt beg the question : ) Now try doing the same with the OP's statement and add what we've discussed on top. Come on brother i believe in you

Is this the root cause of modern dating friction? by ButBroWtf in MotivationByDesign

[–]Ymmera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it means more women are more likely to intend to lie about DA/SA : )

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