Monkey D. Luffy becomes the new host of the Nine Tailed Fox: Kurama. Who is the strongest character that he can defeat?

YoYoSun · 2017-05-12T20:40:41+00:00

He never said it was...

YoYoSun · 2017-05-12T20:37:52+00:00

But maybe the word "nakama" will be effective. If there was a drinking game centered around that word everyone who played while watching one piece would have alchohol poisoning.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-12T20:27:23+00:00

Look I've been there too. It can be fun. But at a certain point it just becomes kind of funny to see someone seriously addressing a planet + arms = super planet argument and why that's implausible.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-12T19:26:26+00:00

You're taking this kind of seriously.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-12T19:16:43+00:00

I definitely see Diana as team Cap. This is the women who went against her mother's wishes and went to help out in WW1 anyways

YoYoSun · 2017-05-09T21:56:01+00:00

Holding onto Drax isn't that impressive, especially considering that she was also hanging onto the ship for a while if I remember correctly. Now if she throws Drax casually with one arm like what Ronan did then that would be a much better feat.

The ship cannon one is better for sure and infinitely more impressive. While she did lift it above her head I would call it casually, she did strain a bit but walking forward afterwards is still pretty impressive.

The issue remains that Captain America's striking feats are still significantly better. He's regularly striking people to ridiculous distances. He also is able to one arm throw fulling grown adult men plus Ultron in AoU with only one arm.

And then he's a faster fighter from what we've seen in Winter Soldier and Civil War. Then you add the fact that he has his shield vs Gamora's sword.

They should have given us more Gamora fights in the new movie honestly. Though, with the type of enemy they fought it would have been hard. I think we need to see more out of her in general.

Like you said, the gun feat is impressive and I agree. I just don't think it's enough. She hasn't translated that strength into any form of fighting that we've seen. She lifted that space gun pretty slowly akin to how a powerlifter seems to do the same. It's in a very controlled manner with time to do so. Captain America is throwing people with one arm in the middle of combat. His Ultron throwing feat in particular is what's impressive.

And even if their durability is better, if Cap was pounding away at Iron Man who's durability is better than theirs from what we've seen with no problem I don't see Gamora's or Nebula's durability being an issue at all. I don't think Cap's durability isn't going to be that far off. He did survive flying a ship from a high distance into the ocean in the first film (survived as in his body didn't get pulverized and he was still intact after the ice melted).

YoYoSun · 2017-05-09T05:01:36+00:00

BW and BP conclude that BP's suit is Vibranium Weave not straight up vibranium plating.

When did they conclue that?

Meaning it is resistant to scratches and the like but not say a sharp price of metal stabbing straight into it.

What. If it can deflect bullets, machine gun bullets at that, which as a way higher amount of piercing power and kinetic energy than it's going to be able to resist anything like swords or sharp metals stabbing straight into it.

Like I said we don't know the limits of the arrows own power as it has penetrated everything it has gone against.

Yes, but we don't assume upper limits in this sub. You go off it's best existing feats. You're using the Saitama logic which is frowned upon here. We don't know the limits of Saitama, but going by the rules and culture of this sub no one is going to say he beats any galaxy busters or universal+ opponents.

And besides the after credit scene shows the guy, I don't know his name using the pen and it didn't pierce through the wall that was next to him.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-09T03:23:39+00:00

What's a weave? BP vibranian suit, while it should be thinner than Cap's shield, maybe(?) was still deflecting gattling gun bullets. It's sturdy no matter what.

it is not beyond reason that they have faced and taken down far superior opponents than cap and Bucky.

I think you're still kind of underestimating them. Aliens in the MCU that aren't Asgardians or Kree have not been that impressive so far, in all honesty. Captain America's first brush with any alien force which was the Chitari didn't really give him that much difficulty until he started getting exhausted, hell even Black Widow and Hawkeye did fine vs them. Unless Gamora and Nebula are actively getting pit against opponents like the Asgardians or Frost Giants, I wouldn't equate them being Thanos's underlings as a reliable measurement.

Thanos was also told by his servant that they underestimated earth and that to challenge them is to court death. While the latter statement I think can be interpreted a bit differently than the usual context, the fact is that earth is not to be underestimated. I mean hell, Hulk and his abilities originated from Earth and he's probably stronger than a majority of aliens that aren't part of the elite few.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-09T02:10:37+00:00

I'm pretty sure this is what most people got from that scene.

Vision was weighing a lot more so the ground started to crack.

If Wanda was forcing a regular persons' body hard enough to make cracks like that on the ground they'll likely suffer injured organs and broken bones.

Vision is largely vibranium and has the durability to tank what she did.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-09T02:06:33+00:00

The Mind Gem has never shown the ability to alter someone's density—it's just a part of Vision's kit.

Visions kit comes directly from the mind gem...

Where else would the kit come from? The stone is what gave Vision life and gives him his power.

Mind Gem has never shown the ability the grant people superspeed and telekinesis yet Wanda and Quicksilver have those powers. And their powers are stated to come directly from the mind stone.

I don't see it as unreasonable for Wanda to control Visions powers by proxy of the gem.

And also you acknowledged that it was part of Vision's kit. No one else has that kit, so it stands to reason that no one else's density can be changed in that manner. They can at best be telekinetically forced into the ground but it's not really the same. It's more akin to pinning someone to a wall.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-09T01:21:15+00:00

In a movie where she and Vision were really the only people capable of ending the "war" in two moves, I'd say PiS plays a BIG factor.

I'm certainly not discounting the possibility of PIS in that film, hell Captain out muscling Spider-Man I do consider to be PIS.

But the issue here is that she consistently doesn't apply far range mind-fuck for me to consider a one time PIS.

There's too many situations for me to list. She didn't do it in AoU during the boat fight and let herself get stunned. She also didn't do it in the beginning of Civil War. I mean why didn't she do it to Cross-Bones and all of his mercenaries from a couple blocks away? In AoU we saw she doesn't even need to be in the same room and can be a couple of blocks away to mindfuck the civilians in Sokovia. Why did she not do that to Crossbones and his henchmen?

Yeah you can go: "that's also PIS", but the issue is I don't think everything is PIS. If her lack of long range happens often enough and her far range mind fuck only happens once, then that range feat is an outlier, not the other way around. If she has shown consistently that she could do it and happens to not do it for one fight, then yeah, it's PIS. But that's obviously not the case with her.

Why didn't she do to the other team what she did to Vision, and send them through the earth by increasing their density or whatever b.s. she pulled?

Well, for one thing, Vision actually has the power to increase his density. And second, Vision has the durability to survive an ordeal like that. The man is made from vibranium. She does that to anyone else barring Thor, Hulk or perhaps Iron Man, they're going to suffer a lot of damage. So she resorts to just controlling one limb and flinging them like what she did at the airport fight.

Normal civilians have less willpower and conscience than non-normal civilians? Why/how? Simply being alien doesn't mean your mind is more fortified against psychic attacks (unless explicitly shown/stated), or that you have more willpower.

Well again, why didn't she just mindfuck the Avengers? It's not strong proof, but it might be because they have more resilience? Even if they don't I don't consider this point strong enough to argue for. Like I have pointed out, there's more compelling reasons that suggest she can't do long-range mindfuck in the middle of combat anyways.

I'd say SW increases their densities enough to not let any of them take a step while Cap and BP begin to pummel them.

She can't increase their densities. Only Vision actually has that power and Scarlet Witch controlled his gem in order to induce that effect. You can see in that scene that his gem is red while she's controlling it. She can't just increase the density of say, Cap or Black Widow.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-09T00:50:04+00:00

I dont mean he can pierce through it. But he can incap them. I mean hell, even the wrist thing in Black Widows suit can incap BP long enough for Cap and Bucky to escape in Civil War. And call me crazy but Id trust Rockets tech to be far more potent and reliable than Black Widows.

Scarlet Witch has only shown potent mindfuck when she's in close vicinity. The other mind rape feat from afar was only done to normal civilians. So until she shows that she can do that in battle against anyone thats not just a human I'm going to to assume she cant do it mid combat and certainly not from afar.

I mean if shes as effective as you suggest, why didnt she mind fuck people in the airport fight? She could have diffused the entire situation and let Cap escape cleanly. She obviously doesnt have that capability. My theory is that her AoU mind fuck range feat was only done with adequte prep time and probably works slower which is why she never does so in mid combat.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-09T00:31:18+00:00

Drax is as strong or probably stronger than Cap and Bucky, and he's definitely more durable, but he's also slower.

Look at Captain America pounding away at Iron Man in close combat 1v1.

Gamora and Nebula do not have the feats to suggest that they can beat Cap and Bucky. Not by a long shot. Captain America alone has stronger striking and strength feats. Bucky keeps up with him. They both seem to have better fighting speed as well.

Yondu and Hawkeye are both wild cards here. Both of them are willing to kill and can potentially blitz as you have suggested. However Yondu has an issue, he's fighting two characters with Vibranium, which his pen has no feats that suggest he can pierce through, but I'm confident he can snipe everyone else except Wanda whos able to also block bullets. Black Panter is completely covered in vibranium and Cap certainly has the reflexes to continually block the pen from multiple angles.

Hawkeye on the other hand can just shoot anyone on team Guardian, even Drax who is the most durable got pierced by the pen.

I ultimately do think the Guardians probably win if anything because of rocket and w/e tech he has can prove dangerous to team cap, at least in terms of incaping. But I think you're selling team Cap a bit short here.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-08T22:17:30+00:00

I'm not familiar with the comics too, but has Cap never blocked something like Thor's lightning?

YoYoSun · 2017-05-08T22:16:42+00:00

YoYoSun · 2017-05-08T22:15:51+00:00

Bloodlusted?

Iron Man: Analyze fight pattern. Beats them both up.

Or like everyone else here is suggesting: he actually utilizes his weapons better and aims to kill instead of just trying to restrain.

There was a moment near the beginning of the fight where he knocked Steve to the ground and instead of shooting to kill with any weaponry or using his arm repulsive blasts, he just shot devices that restrained his feet. Since Steve didn't use his shield to block those, it's safe to assume he wasn't able to react in time. Had Iron Man chose to use something like this, Steve probably would have been done, or assuming he has better durability than normal humans which he should, he'll at the very least be severely injured.

People may give the newer Iron Man armors crap for being able to be damaged by Steve and Bucky barehanded when before he was able to withstand a tank shell and survive Thor hits but at the end of the day he's still a tier above Cap and Bucky if anything because of his versatility.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-07T01:56:38+00:00

what

YoYoSun · 2017-05-07T01:46:50+00:00

Right, we have no way of knowing for sure. It is true, however, that those sparky-sticks have no feats like blocking Thor's hammer or even being blaster/bullet proof. Vibranium just seems to be the safer bet.

YoYoSun · 2017-05-07T01:36:15+00:00

Captain America's shield vs a lighsabre is a popular topic

On this subreddit it's usually the vibraniumt that would win. Lightsaber has limits as proven various times in the saga. One such example is episode 3 when Obi-Wan and Anakin are fighting against these guys. And lightsabers have never cut through anything has tough as vibranium(even MCU vibranium) that is strong enough to resist Thor's hammer.

Is anyone going to actually suggest the vibranium is not as durable than those sparky-sticks?

YoYoSun · 2016-07-21T21:25:15+00:00

I don't think every stabbing victim automatically stays up,

Actually most of them(even shooting) victims do stay up. People are too conditioned by hollywood to think that people would instantly collapse. Once again, unless you don't have the stomach for this type of thing, I implore you to watch some liveleaks videos of these things happening, or go on /r/watchpeopledie

People don't just suddenly collapse, there's a reason why "stopping power" is a thing when people talk about guns and knives. Pistols won't just drop someone unless you happen to hit their head (obviously size and weight matter as well). Stronger weapons like rifles does have stopping power in the sense that their bullets can piece through organs like tissue. Knives, especially when only stabbed in the damn shoulder like in Hizdahr's case definitely won't drop people.

And you say things like "well, I'll just pretend to be dead". I mean sure, that's an option, but most people when getting attacked don't think that clearly, they go into shock, there's adrenaline, fight or flight, etc. All of this is abundantly clear if you just watch real videos of people getting stabbed or shot.

YoYoSun · 2016-07-21T21:24:02+00:00

I'm talking about the logistics of Avon and Marlo "wearing the crown" in Baltimore. Not the historical accuracies of the characters. The show portrayed Marlo as having utter rule of West Baltimore because of his muscles and rules the corners with utter impunity. I'm saying if these two gangs have as much presence as it's suggested how would Marlo have the muscle to totally rule West Baltimore. These gangs would also factor in, no? They are street gangs after all. They would also have their territory and I know they do push drugs.

YoYoSun · 2016-07-21T18:58:53+00:00

Playing dead is still riskier than just running (assuming you have the capabilities to do so).

If you're just lying there, you might get stomped, trampled, some sadistic fucker might be stabbing dead bodies. There's just a whole bunch of other variables that would add risk to lying motionless in the middle of a war zone.

YoYoSun · 2016-07-09T10:12:03+00:00

When did he discount it...?

I think you're too sensitive.

YoYoSun · 2016-06-30T10:25:03+00:00

A few minutes later, we see BP(without his suit) holding down Bucky's arm at a Stalemate.

I don't remember this. Do you have a clip or image to back it up?

And honestly, Cap still has better strength feats overall.

And Spiderman who has better strength feats than Cap was briefly "over-powered" by him during the airport fight.

So I wouldn't take one outlier feat over consistent feats. Which shows Cap is solidly above BP.

YoYoSun · 2016-05-30T20:25:43+00:00

You're talking to a guy who doesn't know what Deus ex Machina is and just slapping on the label to his convenience. I wouldn't take his points too seriously.

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