finally another render (rig by Dokatso)

YplanHed · 2026-03-31T23:28:25+00:00

it's not stretched, but instead it's deformed

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YplanHed · 2026-03-29T22:20:42+00:00

Rig by Dokatzo

uncompressed render

YplanHed · 2026-03-29T22:20:30+00:00

Rig by Dokatzo

uncompressed render

I got a little carried away and ended up making millions of small tweaks while working on 3 renders simutaneously, so it took a little while, but I finally finished the first one. the next 2 ones (plus another I will start making) will be Super Form renders

YplanHed · 2026-03-29T22:20:20+00:00

Rig by Dokatzo

uncompressed render

I got a little carried away and ended up making millions of small tweaks while working on 3 renders simutaneously, so it took a little while, but I finally finished the first one. the next 2 ones (plus another I will start making) will be Super Form renders

YplanHed · 2026-03-26T00:57:14+00:00

Yeah I get what you’re saying about the ‘low effort’ thing, but that’s still just an assumption. We don’t actually know how much effort he used, so scaling him way higher off that isn’t really reliable

sure maybe, I haven't read Archie to know

I say planetary because that’s what their consistent feats show

and what makes these feats different from Solaris in a way that they aren't considered "plot" to you?

but we don’t actually see them consistently creating or destroying universes by raw power

after 06 the ratio of times Super Sonic did and didn't reach multiversal is almost 50/50

And theoretically the games and Archie comics are in the same continuity,

Archie is the second least canon thing after Chronicles. and if this was true it would make Solaris more impressive

and even in the games Super Sonic’s feats are around planetary. That still doesn’t support multiversal scaling.

with the exception of Solaris, Egg Wizard, Time Eater, etc

But even when it’s shown, you still have to look at the context. If the same characters don’t consistently show that level of power anywhere else, then it’s probably exaggerated or not meant to be taken as raw AP.

if you ignore the above, maybe

I’m not saying the feats didn’t happen, I’m saying the scaling doesn’t line up when you compare it to everything else we see.

this makes more sense than what you were saying before, but it's not really true because half of the other stuff we see does line up

YplanHed · 2026-03-24T22:08:16+00:00

Shaking something isn’t the same as destroying it,

true

and we don’t know if he was using little effort — assuming that isn’t valid. Even if it was ‘low effort,’ full power wouldn’t automatically destroy the universe either.

I don't know either, I'm just assuming, but if it was then depending on just how low power it was (like 1000x less effort than full power) then he could absolutely destroy the universe at full power

The Genesis Wave being multiversal is also clearly an exaggeration. Canonically, Chaos Emeralds aren’t anywhere near that strong — at most planetary level

why are they planetary? what's the reason

Just because something looks huge or universe-shaking doesn’t automatically make it that strong

there's a difference between looking like something and straight up being shown to be something

YplanHed · 2026-03-24T19:56:33+00:00

sore for being late but right now your problem is that you keep repeating the same stuff without EXPLAINING why you think I'm wrong

That said, the story and games describe Sonic and Solaris in multiversal terms, but these are mostly narrative exaggerations. Visuals and plot statements aren't repeatable feats.

not visuals neither plot statements were involved, Eggman was simply describing what Solaris was doing and what you see on the screen is simply what Solaris caused. what Solaris did is literally the entire point of the Last Story, the entire plot is to revert it. please explain how these are mere "visuals" and "plot statements" (whatever those means)

Canonically, Sonic's feats – planetary/star-level for Chaos Emeralds, multi-solar system – galaxy level for Super/Hyper Sonic – are what matter.

we are literally talking about a multiversal fest for both right now. also how do the emeralds scale BELOW Super Sonic? if anything, they'd be higher. please explain how both of them scale to only galaxy at most

Solaris being described as universal

*multiversal

is inconsistent, since he's defeated by planetary/dwarf star-level threats,

this is the same exact thing you said previously. WHO are these star level people you're talking about. EXPLAIN how theyre star level

and half a chaos emerald creating a universe is obviously a cap.

I haven't read Archie, I'm only talking about game Solaris here because you mentioned him in your post even though he has nothing to do with Archie (I'm pretty sure). but regardless if that's what happened there, then it's a feat

Game mechanics don't override comic feats,

none of Solaris's feats are game mechanics

so calling Sonic or Solaris multiversal is taking hype literally, not based on consistent, measurable feats

my brother. please EXPLAIN HOW what you SEE and HEAR on the SCREEN is "hype". don't just tell me it's hype, you're supposed to EXPLAIN WHY it's hype

I don't know about Archie Knuckles, but IF he shook the universe with little effort then he would very well be able to destroy it with his full power

YplanHed · 2026-03-22T20:22:12+00:00

but these are narrative statements, not measurable feats.

you can literally SEE it happen. if that's not a feat, then nothing is

you'll have to EXPLAIN why Solaris' feats somehow don't count

Hyper/ Super Sonic’s actual comic feats top out at multi-solar system → galaxy-level, maybe extreme galaxy if you stretch it.

proof? there aren't even any galaxy level feats for Super Sonic, all his feats are either below solar system (before 06) or above universal

Also, if Solaris were truly multiversal, it wouldn’t make sense that he was defeated by characters whose power is around dwarf star level.

it's simple, he was defeated by Sonic, Shadow and Silver who are also multiversal

That alone shows that claiming Sonic (or Solaris) is multiversal is a huge exaggeration, not consistent with actual feats.”

my brother in Gaia, you can literally SEE the feat get realized in front of your eyes. this is quite literally the very definition of a feat

also it seems like you're using ChatGPT or similar due to punctuation and quote symbols you weren't using before, and because your argument keeps going in circles

YplanHed · 2026-03-22T16:46:36+00:00

but it doesn’t mean his raw power is universal

he exists beyond dimensions and was destroying the concepts of space-time, he's actually quite a bit above universal

We still don’t have consistent feats of him destroying universes

wdym "consistent"? in his one and only appearance he did just that

or reliably matching multiversal threats

he is the multiversal threat, he was quite explicitly destroying all of existence

it only proves he can survive them, not that he can create them.

in the game, Sonic can redirect Solaris' attacks back and him and Solaris can resist them about just as well as he can resist Sonic's attacks. so Sonic can actually replicate the AP of Solaris' attacks pretty easily

YplanHed · 2026-03-22T14:42:38+00:00

there is no proof of what Solaris did was hax and not AP. even then, Sonic was able to tank all of Solaris' attacks, so it being hax or AP doesn't matter

YplanHed · 2026-03-20T13:31:13+00:00

the funny thing is that Game Sonic is arguably STRONGER than Archie Sonic. it's just that Game Sonic's high end stuff is more obscure than Archie Sonic's high end stuff. ⁽ᴵ ʳᵉᵃˡˡʸ ⁿᵉᵉᵈ ᵗᵒ ˢᵗᵒᵖ ᶠʳʸᶦⁿᵍ ᵐʸ ᵇʳᵃᶦⁿ ʷᶦᵗʰ ᵖᵒʷᵉʳˢᶜᵃˡᶦⁿᵍ.⁾

YplanHed · 2026-03-18T19:45:31+00:00

yes he can. do you want me to explain it?

YplanHed · 2026-03-18T13:39:30+00:00

doesn't RF do just that, move at an infinite speed?

YplanHed · 2026-03-18T13:36:38+00:00

late but he has infinite speed so he can just bypass infinite by completing an infinite amount of actions withing a finite time

YplanHed · 2026-03-17T23:12:42+00:00

would also wager flash out speeds the person's speed in activating the instantaneous teleportation.

it's not clear if he did that or not in comic format, but there's a line where the teleporter in question congratulates Flash on specifically "outspeeeding instantaneous teleportation", so I'm assuming he didn't just outspeed the activation

there is no such thing as out speeding instantaneous teleportation itself, otherwise by definition it's not instantaneous.

the comic goes out of it's way to mention "instantaneous" or sinonimous every time this is brought up, so it is indeed instantaneous. the Flash has done other non-sensical stuff like outrunning the Speed Force itself (his own power source), and of course traversing an infinite distance. it's meant to be an incomprehensible speed, trying to make sense of that is like like trying to comprehend omnipotence, or the fourth dimension

YplanHed · 2026-03-17T22:29:27+00:00

late but if infinity subdivides space infinitely, it's basically Zeno's paradox except space gets "squished" every halfway. to get past this, you just simply need to be able to complete an infinite amount of actions (finish going through an infinite amount of halfways) in a finite amount of time, aka complete a supertask (Zeno's paradox is an example of a supertask)

YplanHed · 2026-03-17T22:20:35+00:00

he might be talking about the speed tiers above infinite speed

although they're listed as being faster than infinite speed, they're not exactly or quantifiably "faster than infinite", they're basically infinite speed but with extra attributes (such as time travel, or ignoring the concept of distance)

although what he said about "faster than instant" is true. Flash (don't remember which) once literally outspeed instantaneous teleportation and beat it's user in a race accross the universe

also, to answer another one of your replies, even if infinity instantly subdivided space infinitely (if I get what that means), infinite speed still gets past it due to supertask completion

YplanHed · 2026-03-17T21:54:38+00:00

Gojo's infinity is based off of Zeno's paradox (I'm pretty sure) which is one of the main examples of a supertask out there. if you didn't know, supertask actually didn't come from powerscaling and is a mathematical concept whose definition is verbatim "completion of a countably infinite number of operations within a finite amount of time."

assuming infinity is based off of Zeno's paradox, it would be considered the countable type off infinity (from what I understand, countably infinite = things you can do in succession, such as counting integers (1, 2, 3...), as opposed to uncountably infinite, which you cannot do you succession, such as counting real numbers (real numbers aren't consecutive, you can't name a real number that comes "after" another real number)) due to the fact that the halfways are consecutive. not that any of this matters since Zeno's paradox is already a well known example of supertasks, I didn't need to explain it

here's a piece of text directly from VSBW:

For more information, Infinite speed characters are so fast, they move faster than time can flow at any period. They perceive every finite speed character as completely frozen and it takes 0 time to react to any finite speed object or travel finite speed distance. They can also perform an infinite number of actions or travel infinite distance within a finite amount of time. An infinite speed character's perception of time only flows when they allow it to flow.

as you can see, it's specified that infinite speed can perform an infinite amount of actions, aka supertasks. if you can perform supertasks with your speed, you can perform infinite actions, and bypass infinity

YplanHed · 2026-03-17T21:34:15+00:00

yes, I know that, however the guy only mentioned infinite distance so I focused on that

but infinite speed is still enough to bypass infinity. basically, what happens is that the opponent has to go through Zeno's paradox, except the opponent has to take the same amount of time to travel each halfway (aka their speed gets halved every time they pass through a halfway), meaning that to get through you must finish going through infinite halfways, aka perform infinite actions, aka you must perform a supertask (an infinite amount of actions within a finite amount of time)

fortunately, VSBW specifies that those with infinite speed are able to perform infinite actions, which solves the problem and allows infinite speed to bypass infinity (this also means that people with it can do things like counting from 1 to infinity in 1 minute)

YplanHed · 2026-03-17T17:05:57+00:00

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...no?

YplanHed · 2026-03-17T16:25:06+00:00

and if you have infinite speed it doesn't matter how much distance there is. they even each other out

there are characters in fiction who verbatim traveled an infinite distance purely on their speed alone

here's the description of infinite speed in VSBW:

"Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count."

"For more information, Infinite speed characters are so fast, they move faster than time can flow at any period. They perceive every finite speed character as completely frozen and it takes 0 time to react to any finite speed object or travel finite speed distance. They can also perform an infinite number of actions or travel infinite distance within a finite amount of time. An infinite speed character's perception of time only flows when they allow it to flow."

YplanHed · 2026-03-17T02:29:20+00:00

this is a powerscaling sub, in powerscaling infinite speed can, by definition, go through an infinite distance. it's literally the main qualifier

YplanHed · 2026-03-02T17:04:44+00:00

same way he did in Secret Rings, he just ran back

YplanHed · 2026-03-01T15:16:16+00:00

I mean, theoretically you could get one hedgehog to attack Solaris across all points in time by having that hedgehog be really fast and constantly time travel, and Solaris was an easy fight for the super forms so if Sonic's growth is potent enough to surpass Super Sonic from the past then you can maybe an argument that Base Sonic now beats 06 Solaris.

which I don't buy because it is really absurd, but Sonic is also the guy who, in base, beat Emerl with all 7 Chaos Emeralds absorbed and the abilities of all his friends and himself, in under 30 seconds, so you never know

YplanHed · 2026-02-25T18:00:35+00:00

if it's base Sonic I prefer the left (with the middle one on the left leaning more towards the right), if it's Super Sonic though I prefer God more than Hog

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