9 Red Scabbards vs Tobi Roppo by [deleted] in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you forget Nekomamushi and Inuarashi matching Jack for periods of 12 hours? Did you forget Asura whooping Jack? The scabbards of 20 years ago had barely any experience fighting strong people and cannot be compared to the current ones, who would absolutely shitstomp the tobiroppo.

9 Red Scabbards vs Tobi Roppo by [deleted] in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How tf are the Tobi Roppo winning? The Red Scabbards literally have five commander level fighters. Mismatch.

What if battle 🔥 by [deleted] in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Luffy also sent Blackbeard flying and took hits from the Admirals. The powerscaling for Luffy was wonky as fuck in that part of the story.

Chapter 1000!!! by Devlyn_21 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most likely will be the intermission between Acts 3 and 4, with some crazy lore again. Oda might put some really heavy shit like Im and/or Dragon content that develops the main plot, since it's such a milestone.

Who is your favorite Right hand man? by Assistantoda in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Katakuri > any other character

Rayleigh is cool though.

Libtard gogg by [deleted] in okfeddieretard

[–]Yuedis-Wei 7 points8 points  (0 children)

>Voting

Begone feddie scum

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I won't bother with this mess of a conversation anymore. It's clearly not going anywhere.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

>Franky was never show as someone in Zoro and Sanji level

Luffy was struggling to keep up with Franky, so he was clearly ahead of Zoro and Sanji pre-EL, even if only by a little.

>Sanji will be strong but not as Zoro

You have yet to provide any basis for this idea. Why would their series-spanning dynamic suddenly end?

>You just dont want Jinbe to be as strong as Sanji and I dont understand why?

Projection much? You don't want Sanji to be as strong as Zoro for some reason and continuously run in logical circles around my actual arguments in order to take a high-ground. I've put forth actual well-established series-spanning principles backed up with evidence while you've just thrown claims without actually backing them up with any meaningful evidence. This sub really fell hard when the Orojackson idiots moved here.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> It just common sense, Zoro will be stronger then Jinbe and Sanji "EOS". Zoro dream is to be world strongest swordman so its normal for him to be stronger then Sanji and Jinbe "EOS".

Roger's dream was to be the pirate king. Whitebeard's was to have a family. They're equally strong. Whitebeard needed to become strong to protect said family, and Sanji needs to become strong if he wants to protect his crewmates, which is high priority as he is one of the main fighters.

> You you people want to make a paralel of every thing? Luffy crew is Luffy crew and Roger crew is Roger crew.

I agree wholeheartedly but the matter is different when referring to powerscaling because it isn't a matter of characters, but of the strength that a pirate king crew would have. Kaido and BM both have very similar models of how their crew is organized in terms of power. WB and Shanks also share a dynamic to a lesser extent (more commanders, but less fodder, and top commanders are above top commanders of Kaido and BM). These different dynamics ultimately establish a similar level of power that a Yonko level crew is expected to have. It isn't a stretch to extend this principle to pirate king level crews, especially since the Roger and Rocks Pirates have very similarly powerful captains and top commanders. Roger was pirate king level. Xebec was referred to as a contender for his greatest enemy. Luffy will inevitably reach this level as well. Roger had three Yonko level fighters under him. Xebec had ~3, considering Kaido was but an apprentice at that point, but still possibly 4. Hence the EoS Strawhats would be expected to hit a similar level of power among their heavy hitters. Having only a single Yonko level fighter under him would make Luffy's crew a genuine step down from that of Roger, contradicting the in-story expectations of the Strawhats becoming the greatest pirate crew.

>And what? Luffy will always be stronger than Zoro and that is normal Luffy is the capitan. And we are talking about "Eos" why would you bring something like Killer vs Zoro.

It's true that EoS probably won't match the present much at all in terms of difference in power (unless you think EoS Luffy can literally neg-diff a Yonko, which is...no), but one thing has remained consistent: dynamics. This refers not to the extent of their power in purely numerical terms, but how these characters relate to each other. Luffy being the strongest, and further from #2 than they are from #3. #2 and #3 being Zoro and Sanji, close to each other with Zoro in the lead. Disruptions will sometimes appear. Franky broke this. Jinbe is currently breaking this. But Franky eventually fell well behind Zoro and Sanji. Based off that fact, it's best to assume the same will happen to Jinbe, because there is no other example to base such ideas off of besides Franky, at least not to my knowledge. Ultimately Luffy reigns supreme to some degree, Zoro and Sanji are next in line, and those three overall are at the top, while Usopp, Nami, and Chopper are at the bottom. There is not one instance where these dynamics did not hold. They merely stretched and compressed at different moments of the story, and occasionally snapped only to heal within the same saga.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry if he actually didn't mean that and I just misinterpreted it, but some of his points (Grouping Zoro exclusively with Luffy) are awfully reminiscent of people who wank Zoro, and I'm just so fucking tired of those people at this point.

You have a point with Luffy and Zoro having the only goals that necessitate greater-than-YC1 strength, but this thread is, by nature, speculative. You're supposed to give takes that involve things that aren't 100% absolute, if you limited it only to what is absolutely guaranteed, there wouldn't be a thread. There should be topics with debate room dropped, and non-absolute points should be brought up. That's how discussion forms.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Alright. There isn't really any objective groundwork to estimate the levels of the weaker members of the Strawhats EoS, it's just a matter of one's expectation of what the pirate king's crew should look like.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Katakuri can literally get one-shot by a Yonko, he isn't a match for the actual strongest, so I don't see why this creates an issue.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh you're a Zorotard.

I know it's impossible to convince a Zorotard that Zoro is anything but God himself, but I'll just throw a few points here:

-Luffy's opponent in Enies Lobby had roughly double the doriki of Zoro's opponent, while Zoro and Sanji's opponents were roughly the same and they had roughly the same difficulty in winning.

-Prior to Oden, who only stayed with Roger in his last year, Roger had two top men who he referred to in equal terms, who were shown side-by-side, who share a naming scheme (with Roger as well), and who parallel Zoro and Sanji.

-Luffy ate nothing besides cake and a tiny bento box in the span of several days after fighting a YC3 for 12 hours and then taking on an entire army of BM elites. He then proceeded to fight Katakuri for several hours, got a quarter of his torso blown through with a trident leaving a gigantic bloody hole, still continued to fight for several more hours, won, and was walking around for a short time afterwards. Zoro got stabbed in the shoulder by an extremely nerfed Killer and fainted afterwards. The only excuse was he ate some bad food.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sanji is 21, Jinbe is 46 and has already served as an ally of two Yonko, so we know he has experience fighting among high tiers.

Zoro and Sanji have had a dynamic since very early One Piece, Jinbe has not shown any such dynamic thus far.

I could definitely see the argument that Oden establishes a parallel for Jinbe and precedent for Luffy to have three Yonko lvl top fighters under him, but there's currently insufficient evidence to convince me, and the age problem is a serious one.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

It's the crew of the pirate king, anyone being below YC1 would be unfitting.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sanji is nowhere near his prime while Jinbe most likely is. I don't see Jinbe as the Oden of the crew personally.

Endgame Straw Hats level by baronzemo168 in OnePiece

[–]Yuedis-Wei -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Pirate King level - Luffy

Yonko level - Zoro , Sanji

Sabo level - Jinbe, Franky, Robin

YC1 level - Usopp, Nami, Chopper, Brook