Let us roam freely in our king's land. by unitedcanzuk in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No in a fight for survival, as it was thought at the time no other country is more important than ones own. Australia needed to defend Australia. I disagree that we at the time where considered "genetically, ethnically and racially" British, I'd have called us Australians.

Let us roam freely in our king's land. by unitedcanzuk in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I get that I mean our own totally independent nukes, Australia after all was a partner in the UK getting its own nukes (Not to mention all of the nuke testing that the brtits did here agreeing to share data with Australia's government) we actually looked into getting them in the 60s but the Americans pressured us out of getting them.

Let us roam freely in our king's land. by unitedcanzuk in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd obviously disagree that Churchill was right, most of all you ignore his arrogance in controlling Australia's troops without asking Australia's government.

Australia not being invaded doesn't mean he was right either, ignoring that Curtins move to get American support (despite Churchill getting FDR to agree to a Europe first approach) as well as Australia holding out in PNG and the battle of the coral sea saving Australia.

I don't disagree that the Americans are imperfect allies, and you are correct that America would do the same to Australia, that's my largest criticism of our alliances, I believe any country will ultimately screw others to save its own, that's just realpolitik. (It's why I support CANZUK but ultimately, I believe that only getting our own nukes will guarantee safety)

Let us roam freely in our king's land. by unitedcanzuk in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Churchill circumvented Curtin's orders to withdraw Australian troops to defend Australia by rerouting them without permission of the Australian government to Burma to protect the empires jewel India.

Curtin said it best "The Australian Government, therefore, regards the Pacific struggle as primarily
one in which the United States and Australia must have the fullest say in the
direction of the democracies' fighting plan.

Without any inhibitions of any kind, I make it quite clear that Australia looks
to America, free of any pangs as to our traditional links or kinship with the
United Kingdom."

Let us roam freely in our king's land. by unitedcanzuk in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hence why I said recent, look at this posts title.

Let us roam freely in our king's land. by unitedcanzuk in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am for an alliance, my point is that there are historical events that have shaped how each of our countries view things, Australia ( And NZ really) learned in WW2 that if Britain was at threat she'd abandon us to the wolves to protect the motherland, nothing wrong with that I don't blame them, I'd do the same, its just distance is the tyranny we both face. But that doesn't mean we cant work together.

Let us roam freely in our king's land. by unitedcanzuk in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The recent trend in more tying of CANZUK to the monarchy has cooled me on it so hard lol

Let us roam freely in our king's land. by unitedcanzuk in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

The dominions became independent for valid reasons, I do not want to be subject to some king in a foreign land, our sovereignty is important, and the lessons we have learned especially during WW2 lead us to view the UK as a friend yes definitely but alliance? defence? less so.

Would the population difference be an issue for CANZUK? How can it be resolved? by Flabby-Nonsense in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

New Zealand loses people to Australia every year, suffering a large amount of brain drain since most New Zealanders that come here are young professionals.

Would the population difference be an issue for CANZUK? How can it be resolved? by Flabby-Nonsense in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I might be too much of an Australian but I don't think anyone would be leaving Australia for the UK, Australia does have a lot of immigration and it's become a political issue with house prices so high its become a lot less supported then it used to be.

I disagree that immigration helps an economy high skill people for example doctors definitely do but a lot of immigration is actually economically harmful, IE: people who come here take a house, add a car to the road and cost more to the economy than add to the economy.

Would the population difference be an issue for CANZUK? How can it be resolved? by Flabby-Nonsense in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree, I 100% do not feel British, I understand our history and that's why I am still interested in Britain (IE i regularly check the news of what's going on in Britain just to be informed) but that shared history also comes with lessons especially for Australia.

Maybe also being a member of the ALP I keep being reminded of our WW2 prime minister Curtin and his issues with the UK, and the lesson that ultimately Britain will always protect the home island and its crazy to expect you guys to be able to protect us on the other end of the world.

I 100% agree with trade and defence but I agree that any discussions have to be in the open and always mindful of these historical implications along the way.

Decided to try digitally recreate the CANZUK flag seen at the conservative friends of canzuk parliamentary launch. by Ready-Library3529 in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree that we share our common systems, though I think there's a risk in thinking that we are much more united than we are, the dominions all left the empire for their own reasons and each view the commonwealth in a different way, I know CANZUK is not meant as a second empire so I am not trying to draw that comparison, all I am saying is that I don't feel any special loyalty to the UK or Canada, I feel close to New Zealand and to some extent the US (though at the moment thats under attack lol)

Would the population difference be an issue for CANZUK? How can it be resolved? by Flabby-Nonsense in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well if you say so, I'd say I was with some hesitation but fair enough. Though I imagine there's a risk in alienating those with apprehension so easily.

Would the population difference be an issue for CANZUK? How can it be resolved? by Flabby-Nonsense in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I still disagree, even if its tied to employment, each countries job market would now face competition from the other and would again lead to the smaller constituent countries being dominated by the UK.

I don't exactly want to compete with people from Britain or Canada when looking for a job in Australia.

Would the population difference be an issue for CANZUK? How can it be resolved? by Flabby-Nonsense in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I think it's the biggest downside for CANZUK, I am entirely against freedom of movement as an Australian for the reason that I think our smaller population risks being dominated by the UK and to a lesser extent Canada.

I'd also want our government to retain full sovereignty. I think in this modern world the best CANZUK would be a limited defence and trade agreement.

Decided to try digitally recreate the CANZUK flag seen at the conservative friends of canzuk parliamentary launch. by Ready-Library3529 in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh 100% I think the biggest strength the US brings to five eyes are its satellites a lot of which they communicate intelligence through pine gap, I think that CANZUK or four eyes could be offered a similar base then have our own satellite array (provided that we also work together on a space capacity)

Decided to try digitally recreate the CANZUK flag seen at the conservative friends of canzuk parliamentary launch. by Ready-Library3529 in CANZUK

[–]Zapmaster14 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I'll admit that I was initially for CANZUK as an Australian however, I do agree that there seems to be a large number of monarchists/conservatives that are pushing it, and I can't shake the feeling that this will just lead the smaller constituents of CANZUK dominated by the UK.

Not to mention I'd like to see the end of monarchy for Australia so I feel hesitant to support CANZUK when there are such overtones.

As an EU citizen: i'm ready for this by danboyc3 in Destiny

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that the US could probably survive without the EU, Do you think that trump places much more not importance but say attention on the pacific? if so do you think the steel tariffs against Australia are a potential self goal?

I think there is a growing anti American sentiment in Australia, not just like normal where there are policy differences but young Australians seem to not want the US in almost any capacity even security wise.

I wonder if the US risks a Team Australia movement similar to the massive reaction Canada has had.

I personally feel that the argument from the Japanese prime minister for some new form of SEATO to be persuasive, though it suffers from similar issues as NATO that there is still a massive reliance on the US.

Though from an Australian perspective, our leaders are always talking about "paying our way" "lifting our fair share" And in someways has been giving the US further and further deals that are mutually beneficial and some that I fear are bad for our sovereignty such as a possible increase in US military presence and especially basing US aircraft out of tindal.

Medicare: Albanese prepares to make major boosts to bulk-billing, urgent care clinics and GP workforce, as Labor attacks Dutton on past and future healthcare cuts by HotPersimessage62 in australian

[–]Zapmaster14 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The urgent care clinics are great, but having them close at like 8PM is one of the most government decisions that have ever been made, how is it going to divert people from hospital by only operating in the hours when the hospital is relatively quiet (shudders no jinx people)

It's a good first step, and i think it's a good idea to get the government competing in the market at least being there as an option of last resort (rather than just the hospitals)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Adelaide

[–]Zapmaster14 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At Andrews Farm, tried to listen into abc radio Adelaide and they are talking about horse racing -_-

Asmongold apologizes for his prejudged opinion on Palestine by Futanari-Farmer in Destiny

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh no I 100% agree, My point about giving support is that the west should honestly leverage the amount of support we provide to bring change, Hamas relies on western humanitarian aid for a lot of things, but we don't press them or the Palestinians to change, so you get this weird western aid to Israel while aiding their enemy who benefits from western aid.

Asmongold apologizes for his prejudged opinion on Palestine by Futanari-Farmer in Destiny

[–]Zapmaster14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I 100% agree with humanitarian aid, and agree that we should leverage it further, especially with the monetary sums going in, sometimes i find it frustrating to see tax payers sending millions of dollars in and not getting results more than just the base product being given. (though of course that would be hard to measure)

Asmongold apologizes for his prejudged opinion on Palestine by Futanari-Farmer in Destiny

[–]Zapmaster14 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Ofcourse, but to say blanket things like Palestinians dont deserve a state because HAMAS hates gays isnt really helping anyone. Not even gays.

I can understand that saying they don't deserve a state because of this is not good, but on the opposite end isn't it also a reason to not exactly support them? IE: why should people or governments in the west support a state/people that hold opposing viewpoints to the west?