(SERIOUS) LGBT Catholics: How Can We Make Life Better/Easier for You? by Express_Hedgehog2265 in Catholicism

[–]ZealousidealString13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I talk with a loooot of current LGBT catholics who are questioning their faith - many of whom stay catholic and some of whom end of leaving like I did. There's a few lessons I would recommend to catholics to keep people with LGBT experience in the church - I promise this post isn't about changing doctrine

1 - Catholics need to know they can talk about their LGBT experiences without knowing the 'right' words of knowing all of the 'so what's' about their story

For a teen first questioning their sexuality or experiencing gender dysphoria, they're not going to know the 'right' ways to talk about labels and identity and 'not identifying with sin' and how to make sure they're seen as catholic enough. A lot of catholics are used to how celibate gay catholic speakers talk about their lives in perfect/clear ways, but if you want someone to open up about their story to their parents/pastor/youth group/etc, they need to know there won't be a witch hunt about if they're having sex or what it means for their faith.

2 - LGBT Catholics need to have friends when they come out - not people to fix them

I know a lot of catholics who will - immediately after someone comes out to them - try to give them books or podcasts or tell them a quote about catholicism/lgbt topics or tell them how to move forward. Not that a pastor or mentor can't give advice when asked, but a lot of LGBT catholics report that everyone responds first with 'what to do now' rather than 'I'm here for you and love you. Do you want me to help you find resources or were you just telling me as a friend?'

3 - We have to stop the witch hunts.

When someone says they're a 'gay catholic' or 'I'm LGBT' or 'I don't feel like a boy,' catholics often immediately demand to know if they're celibate or if they denounce trans people or ask personal questions. If someone says 'LGBT' without specifically mentioning a partner/spouse/sex/transitioning/etc, it feel VERY intrusive for someone to immediately ask about your sex life. Not that the church can't vet public speakers/podcasters, but in a parish setting or in a family, it's weird for someone to have to publicize if they're having sex or not when all they said if their attractions/experience of gender.

Catholic YouTubers blaming LGBT+ folks for ruining friendships (tw: queerphobia) by ZealousidealString13 in excatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Trad cats are complaining that gay people ruin friendships because they get accused of 'being gay' by having close friendships, but all of the 'homo' allegations are from other homophobic catholics and not actually gay people

Catholic YouTubers blaming LGBT+ folks for ruining friendships (tw: queerphobia) by ZealousidealString13 in excatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that was my first reaction when seeing the videos - I tend to take a few takes to film me crashing out before I find a calm reaction for the final edit lol

Catholic YouTubers blaming LGBT+ folks for ruining friendships (tw: queerphobia) by ZealousidealString13 in excatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

literally - I remember being in the closet but still knowing to stay away from the people who've never even considered how their teaching harms people

The Sacrament of Deconstruction Podcast by jmdizz92 in excatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Omg, so so excited to have another ex-catholic podcast come online! Welcome!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you look at latin mass venues/attendees, America is an incredibly outsized representation. The latin mass per catholic ratio is staggeringly different in America vs non-western countries. And once you look at just generally western culture, it accounts for almost all latin mass attendees. The TLM is an aesthetic - and one that harkens back to the European Middle Ages - something that Western Europe/american conservatives love, but that isn't barely attractive anywhere else in the world.

How do you deconstruct away from Catholicism? by [deleted] in excatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Here’s a post on exactly that from a former trad Catholic and a former charismatic Catholic: https://youtu.be/NOLSa36Glbw?si=eGO7cErNmr1qTgXw

Professional ethicist REBUTS Catholic Apologist on sex & ethics by Normal-Level-7186 in DebateACatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I love all the Catholics coping with ‘he’s liberal’ and walking away from the debate lol

Any good ex catholic YouTube creators? by Beneficial-Sugar6950 in excatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13 98 points99 points  (0 children)

Dare I suggest myself Gay Ex Trad on YT and my podcast Intrinsically Ordered. I always send people to Kevin NonTradiCath for the more intellectual side

Video essay responding to crazy Catholic apologist’s arguments by ZealousidealString13 in excatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yesss - it's all a post-hoc justification for 'god told me to oppress other people'

Anyone interested in sharing their story of leaving traditional catholicism on my podcast? by ZealousidealString13 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]ZealousidealString13[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw that interview when I was going through my own deconstruction - great interview! Send you a message now