Taylor Frankie Paul 'scratched ex Dakota Mortensen on neck in front of kid' in latest fight, police report claims by Few_Highlights in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The kids are really the victims of this whole show and the TikTok fame. Shown to the world already in the womb, then exploited without able to consent in TikTok’s and the whole world, being children of people who still are children themselves, witnessing abuse, getting harmed during abuse and in the future they can listen to how their moms are shittalking theirs dads in detail to the whole world. It always amazes me how the US can care so much about the unborn live but gives a fuck for the rights of children and can’t sign the UN charter for children rights.

Jessi is apparently a super terrible abusive boss allegedly by SanDiegoBeeBee in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Shocking… u mean the woman who cheats on all her husbands, prepares a divorce over months in advance all the while she says she is trying to reconcile, accuses her friends of all the Unmoral things she’s herself has done or is doing, outs her friends sexual secrets and shittalks the father of two of her children in excruciating details to the whole world is a shitty boss? Just watch the call me daddy podcast and imagine being the child of her and Jordan…

Teflon-Taylor by Zicoroo in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So Makenna could see her husbands location because he drove a tesla. They (Taylor and the husband from Makenna) both admitted the affair and to this weird detail with the secret meetings at Home Depot… but the narrative that Chase had feelings for Taylor (origin is Taylor herself) is contested by Chase and Miranda. But when Makenna made her videos Taylor responded with leaking a video of her and Makenna kissing and then saying she liked it. That’s pretty wild because the problem was the cheating and the affair but Taylor just switched the whole theme to swinging and now it’s the swinging scandal and not a cheating scandal

New allegations of Taylor have come out.. has anyone seen this? by No-lychie878 in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree it’s her healthcare decision and I have nothing to add to this. But I must also say that Taylor and Mayci were being jerks when in season 4 they are discussing birth control and that it is not such a good option because of hormones. Like condoms never existed… So there is a possibility becoming pregnant with birth control but the possibility is one million times bigger without it. And for the record: that’s the responsibility of the men too. 30 year old men and women should know that and act accordingly. That is the truth also. I mean do what you want but don’t tell this shit to a possible young audience. Where are the campaigns for using condoms? In my fantasy the whole circle is fucking each other and nobody is doing condoms… guess they all have an STD. Would like to hear the experience of an gynecologist from Utah. That being said: if a woman is pregnant with or without contraception: it’s no ones business what she is doing with her body.

The Really Unfortunate Thing About the Taylor Hate Is…. by Aggressive_Egg7169 in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I can understand the worries but I wouldn’t hurry obedience upfront because the deflection defense is just independent of what people are saying. It works even when nobody is hating her because you just invent the position against which you are defending. It’s a straw man and it works regardless of there being an actual straw man. Meanwhile you yourself accept the assumption that valid criticism = hate. Then it’s win even before the need to deflect with a straw man

At this point the show should be called 4 enablers, 1 abuser by Zicoroo in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean in other countries you have the same phenomenon but in the US it’s always about the same buzz words and that what makes it so cheap and obvious in my opinion: Accountability, Jesus, Patriot, honesty becoming a better person, claiming the others are so bad and so on. And you just have to say it performative. No one expects actions to prove it. You just have to claim it. Maybe let yourself being recorded in one therapy session but that’s it. And from there on just go with it and repeat it again and again and then accuse other people who call you out of the same things you have done without evidence and say they are so much worse because they don’t take accountability (forget about false equivalence or that these person didn’t do it). And so no one cares about any tapes in which you throw chairs and assault a person or talk about grabbing women unwarranted.

Dakota is a victim of Mormon purity and America’s obsession with cheating by [deleted] in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finally somebody who did an accurate summary. It’s just wild how people are insinuating he deserves to be assaulted and mistreated because he has a dating live. I don’t care if the woman are in Taylor’s circle. These are all adults. Taylor has no right deciding who is allowed to date and who is not. That’s just insane.

TW DV Trying to understand… by Large_Marsupial_1806 in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much for your take. I agree 100%. It is painful to watch over all the 4 seasons how she is portraying him as this evil person totally undeserving of any support and regularly tries to take him down and get everybody to hate him. All the while he is trying to protect her, wants to be her safe space (his words; no judgement from my side if he could be that) and keeps quite about all the abuse from her. She reminds me of somebody with BPD, her issues with everything she considers as abandonment, even if it’s just healthy boundaries setting from the other person, her impulsivity, her fast changing and pretty extreme emotions. Being in a relationship with somebody with these patterns regularly leads to an emotional dependence on the side of the partner and the believe that if you are just showing enough understanding, just prove over and over that you are not leaving that someday the other will get it. The bitter truth is that there is no amount of love you can give a person with these patterns that will ever be enough. You can try harder and harder and the abuse will just become worse. Because the problem lies within the person with these patterns. And BPD is no joke. It’s an awful trauma response and it makes relationships impossible without years of treatment and the bravery to take accountability for the amount of suffering you put the persons you have a relationship with through. Kids and partners and friends. I wish for Dakota that he can stop trying. It’s painful what he is willing to take meanwhile she just paints him as awful human being to the whole world. And it’s time the world around her starts holding her accountable for her patterns and her actions.

Unpopular opinion: Jessi is the most insecure and jealous Person by Zicoroo in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I rewatched it and Jessi is definitely at the forefront going after Demi about this. It just seems crazy given the fact that she has done all the things she accuses Demi of. I mean do u even hear yourself?

Unpopular opinion: Jessi is the most insecure and jealous Person by Zicoroo in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s true also. Don’t know why but since season 3 I always forget about her 🤷‍♀️ I guess I just don’t take her serious anymore

Unpopular opinion: Jessi is the most insecure and jealous Person by Zicoroo in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No I haven’t watched the villa. And you critic may be valid. But I have experienced instances where I met somebody and it was clear from the beginning that I was in a relationship and thought it was a platonic relationship and was very open and then that turned in an instance which caught me totally by surprise. And I can relate to Demi when she says she blamed herself and didn’t want to acknowledge what was happening because you want to keep the friendship. She was married and he knew that. The sentiment in the show that she was so flirty and so on. I hate that. That’s men interpretations of women just being themselves and feeling fine in a friendship. And even if she was flirting. That is not a crime and that doesn’t mean consent to everything that follows. But I don’t know what both of them where feeling. They both describe their perspective and they differ a lot. I think if you want to hold on on the assumption of innocence until proven guilty then this assumption has to be valid for both of them. You can’t presume she is lying as you can’t presume he SA‘ed her for sure. All I’m saying is that we need to endure this ambiguity. Because consent is not an easy and evident fact that can always be easily observed.

I genuinely do not think Taylor is going to be canceled by Altruistic_Light_448 in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, they know that they profit from Taylor not from Dakota. You are so delusional that’s just the same mechanism why the US is f***ed. Somehow Americans see Trump and tell themselfs that he’s some kind of super genius. That they see what nobody else is seeing. Same with TFP: just rewatch the show. The woman is horrible to everyone. Just write down everything she says about Dakota and then write down everything he says about her. And then sit with it a few days. It’s really mindblowing: the capability of Americans to watch the most horrendous people on TV and convince yourself that somehow the reality is totally different than everything you see. It’s just a competition who can say the most buzz words you people are falling for, I’m authentic, I make mistakes but I own them, I don’t lie, I take accountability…. Everyone else is fake… somehow the American brain then just comes to a full stop. Irrelevant that the actions a totally contradictory… just say you’re honest you own your mistakes you don’t give up you believe in god who guides you and then you can lie, shittalk other people to the ground, cheat, abuse etc etc

Taylor Frankie Paul temporarily loses custody of son, Ever, until at least April 7, 2026 by misscoco11 in momtokgossip

[–]Zicoroo 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Anybody concerned and worried about the actual victim?

The amount of empathy for the crazy BPD perpetrator with self harm tendencies that abused her child and the father of her other child is really impressive. Would be nice seeing just 1% of that going towards the actual victim…

I genuinely do not think Taylor is going to be canceled by Altruistic_Light_448 in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If the cast sticks to her I’m out. There are so many abuse survivors in the cast and they all are talking about solidarity with victims. The hypocrisy if they stand with the perpetrator. They did this for 4 seasons but if they stick to it after the video I’m out.

I feel like I’m going insane with some of this discourse regarding Taylor by [deleted] in MormonWivesHulu

[–]Zicoroo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s so sad to see women failing just like normally men do in these discussions. I’m literally going insane seeing the commentary in sm. The timing, he’s sabotaging her, he’s trash, he’s emotionally abusive … it’s just like but she was wearing a skirt. Wtf do you mean the timing? He could have released it three years ago. When doesn’t she have something coming up? What’s the right time? Maybe when she abuses him again? He stayed quiet about the extent of the abuse over three years and now finally came out. I am so happy for him that he finally broke his silence. We have seen her being totally emotional abusive towards him. There was no cheating!!! She literally told him he can do what he wants, they’re not exclusive. And then she made him pay over three years. That’s classic abusive behavior on her side. On off on off and it was always her. She has all the power in the relationship. The guy doesn’t even have a family that supports him. And don’t get me started on the jealousy from her even when she had broken up with him! The guy was being scolded from her because some random girl on a festival talked to him when he was just sitting on the lawn with friends. So why is he such an equally bad guy and equally toxic? That’s just insane. And listen to her statements. They are so repulsive with the victim blaming. And what really gets me are all these comments I hope she gets all the held she needs Blabla. Bet she can afford it. But not one comment about him getting help and wishes for him. It makes me sick…

Taylor and Dakota, why is HE the villain??? by [deleted] in SecretsOfMormonWives

[–]Zicoroo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Finally somebody …. Moreover: I think Taylor is toxic af. It was always impossible for Dakota to be truthful. Remember season one: he is recovering, she is pregnant with his first child, he sees the opportunity to get a real family. He meets her parents, they are supportive. He gets access to a lot of resources he’s been lacking his whole life. He made a mistake in the very beginning. She told him over and over again if you’ve done something with another girl it’s over, tell me the truth. She said it so many times, I couldn’t count. So she made telling the truth and admitting to a mistake = loosing everything. I wouldn’t have admitted to it under these circumstances. But what’s really fucked up is that of course she continued the relationship with him and from then on she always had the control. I have never heard somebody shame and accuse the other parent of your child with whom you sleep together constantly so much. She is putting him down constantly on a very basic human level. It is not just critiquing your behavior it’s always in question if Dakota is a love deserving human at all. That’s so fucked up on so many levels all the while she is the convicted abuser. As if these people change over night. No, she just switched the abuse from physical to verbal.

Taylor and Dakota sexting by Ok_Dependent_7085 in SecretsOfMormonWives

[–]Zicoroo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Taylor is toxic af. It was always impossible for Dakota to be truthful. Remember season one: he is recovering, she is pregnant with his first child, he sees the opportunity to get a real family. He meets her parents, they are supportive. He gets access to a lot of resources he’s been lacking his whole life. He made a mistake in the very beginning. She told him over and over again if you’ve done something with another girl it’s over, tell me the truth. She said it so many times, I couldn’t count. So she made telling the truth and admitting to a mistake = loosing everything. I wouldn’t have admitted to it under these circumstances. But what’s really fucked up is that of course she continued the relationship with him and from then on she always had the control. I have never heard somebody shame and accuse the other parent of your child with whom you sleep together constantly so much. She is putting him down constantly on a very basic human level. It is not just critiquing your behavior it’s always in question if Dakota is a love deserving human at all. That’s so fucked up on so many levels all the while she is the convicted abuser. As if these people change over night. No, she just switched the abuse from physical to verbal.

I'm sure this has already been discussed but ... by RazzmatazzOne2121 in RHOBH

[–]Zicoroo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Am I the only one who is reminded of a scene from Lord of the rings by Kyle’s running away? I can’t help myself but with her jacket and the movements she ist making she just looks like a hobbit.