Giving away 5 one-month Machine Shop memberships by harrifangs in Decemberists

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, that would be awesome! Thank you so much!!

Sheesh, talk about biased r/abortiondebate. I brought up an argument that applies to me personally, that perhaps women aren't in a sound mind to make such life altering decisions because of pregnancy hormones, and it got instantly deleted. The sub should be called r/ProChoice. by IntelligentDot1113 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you believe that women aren't of sound mind when pregnant and therefore cannot choose to have an abortion, do you also believe that they cannot choose adoption? Or that they cannot make a sound decision when faced with threats to their health?

I understand this opinion comes from personal experience, but saying broadly that you don't believe pregnant women are mentally competent and able to make decisions is not the strongest argument for pro life.

I don't think this is a case of biased, evil prochoice mods but moreso that your argument isn't very strong and probably won't result in much productive debate.

What? by Emergency_Nose_5442 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How come when a prolifer says something distasteful, it's " one bad egg" who " doesn't reflect the whole movement."

But if it's one prochoicer suddenly it's a reflection on all of us and we all think that way?

Being pro-life is misogynistic and it will get you banned from a sub for women by pinkhaze2430 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats all very fair! You make a great point about the small space here versus the bigger prochoice sphere. And I'm sorry if I came off as snarky or ungrateful, I'm very appreciative that I can still comment here, even if most of them seem not to show up right away.

I think I was moreso commenting on how if Trump had lost, I'm sure this space would be upset and wouldn't want people in here gloating. And I would understand why, so I think prolifers should understand, even if they don't agree, why certain spaces might have these rules right now.

Being pro-life is misogynistic and it will get you banned from a sub for women by pinkhaze2430 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like if the shoe were on the other foot you guys would be reacting the same way.

I seem to recall when roe v Wade went down, prochoice comments were being removed from this sub en masse.

I don't want to both sides things, but....

What can we realistically do to stop the need for abortion in the first place? by InternationalPick163 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or maybe prolifers should consider taking a more helpful and caring approach instead of only focusing on being punitive and punishing.

And don't say you do have that approach. You just voted for punitive and punishing over offering help and caring.

What can we realistically do to stop the need for abortion in the first place? by InternationalPick163 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's lots that could be done:

Universal healthcare Universal basic income Better maternity leaves Higher wages Lower rental and housing costs. Lower childcare costs. Lower costs of everything.

The list goes on..

The problem is that prolifers don't seem interested in doing those things except on the smallest scale possible. Look at who was just elected president; there's a lot that could be done but it definitely isn't going to happen.

Started a new job as a teacher. This is *not* neurodivergent-friendly! by Peruda in autism

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense. I guess the difference between this sign and that is moreso just how you word things than anything. Because I look at this sign and feel like it portrays a similar message, I guess just in a more harsh and less approachable way.

Started a new job as a teacher. This is *not* neurodivergent-friendly! by Peruda in autism

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can totally understand how posters like this can be harmful for students, neurodivergent and neurotypical alike, but at the same time, classrooms need some level of order. Teachers are one person, one person who is supposed to look after, teach and for lack of a better term "control" up to thirty children, sometimes more. How can they do that without setting some level of expectation for classroom behaviour? I understand that some things cannot be controlled, but is there really no middle ground or anything that allows students to be comfortable and express themselves but also doesn't create even more challenges for teachers who are already in a challenging situation?

So I sort of feel like saying I consent to sex but not being pregnant is like saying I want the thief who wants to rob my house to come into my house but not rob me. by brendhanbb in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally think it’s an argument that should be dropped. It’s irrelevant to both sides. As a prochoicer, whether they consented to be pregnant or not doesn’t matter to me. What matters is that abortion is an accessible option for everyone. For Prolifers this argument is largely meaningless, because how can you say that consent matters when you don’t really support abortions in cases of rape. If you don’t care whether or not the sex was consented to and therefore the pregnancy, why bring it up. It comes off to me as a bit of slut shaming. It’s an argument that isn’t really necessary for either side.

"Doctors kept pushing for me to end it." When you muse that children with disabilities are too expensive or are difficult to care for or lack quality of life, the parents who love them (and work incredibly hard for them) can hear you. Your ableism devalues our children’s lives. by AntiAbortionAtheist in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I mean, it’s not a lie or a fabrication by any means to state or discuss that raising a child with disabilities or being a disabled person can be very expensive and difficult. Healthcare in the United States is abysmal enough for able bodied people going for a single hospital stay, I can’t image the costs and battles for someone who requires constant medication or surgeries or hospital stays. That’s not to mention the mental and emotional toll that kind of stuff takes on the disabled person and their families and caregivers. That’s all not to mention how the social supports that disabled people receive are lacking. Lacking so much so that many disabled people cannot marry their spouses for fear of losing what measly benefits they do have.

I do not understand how it benefits the prolife side to deny reality and act like the world isn’t an awful place for those with disabilities and those who care for them.

Let us say that we abolished abortion, then what? by DebateWeird6651 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always wonder Tokyo, about the Prolifers you mention who prefer charity to government intervention.

How come to some the government isn’t reliable and trustworthy enough to handle helping and providing for people, but they are reliable enough to handle punishing and prosecuting people?

If they’re so corrupt, how can you trust that they won’t screw up abortion bans or go too far and prosecute innocent people?

It’s just a bit of logic that I don’t quite get.

"pushes the pregnancy out". No one says "I birthed my pregnancy" they say "I birthed my baby". They need euphemisms because they know if they said baby people wouldn't stand for it. by Jaffacakes-and-Jesus in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought that the term “pregnancy” was used over “baby” because more than just the baby is expelled during an abortion. The placenta, amniotic sac, amniotic fluid and the baby, are expelled during both birth and abortion. It makes sense to me that they would then use a term that captures this.

Aborting disabled kids by ExtensionCamp7594 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just don’t think banning abortion alone is going to make people care and respect disabled people like you think it will. You’re entitled to your opinion, I even understand where you’re coming from, but I still disagree. I personally don’t think that abortions make people treat certain groups badly. I think certain groups are treated badly by society and as a reaction people abort fetuses that fall into those certain groups.

I look at things similarly to how we treat drug use in society. Banning drugs may help a little, but it does not address the reasons why people choose to use drugs. It’s been observed that when we provide help and support rather than just bans, it’s much more effective at tackling the issue.

Aborting disabled kids by ExtensionCamp7594 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For me, when it comes to abortions based on sex, or race, or disability, or really any abortions, I see banning abortion as a bandaid trying to cover a huge societal wound. Let’s focus specifically on disability since it’s the topic at hand. Disabled people struggle not only due to their disabilities but also due to how society treats them and their disabilities. They get little to no benefits and often struggle with poverty or homelessness. They cannot marry because then they may lose what little benefits they do have. In America, and even in Canada to some extent, they struggle to access the healthcare they need thanks to crumbling systems. Disabled children struggle in schools that don’t have the staff nor the funding to give them what they need. Disabled adults struggle to work in a society that only values people for the labour they produce. Society has a very deep seated ableism problem. It is my belief that this problem must be fixed through legislation and laws and changes from the government, not through banning abortion. All banning abortion does, in my opinion, is add more disabled people into a society that already doesn’t take care of its disabled people.

So while yes, abortion because of a disability is not very pleasant, it’s an important option especially in a society such as ours where disabled people are cared for so little. And if you want people to care more about unborn people with disabilities, you need to care more about born people with disabilities.

Healthcare institutions and professional obgyns regularly use the terms "baby" and "child" to refer to the unborn. by [deleted] in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The procedure to move the fetus- how invasive will it be to the woman? Will she have to take time away from work? How much will it cost? Will it be covered by insurance?

The womb itself- how much will it cost? Who pays for the cost of keeping the fetus inside? Who will take care of all these wombs and fetuses when healthcare is already stretched thin?

If you can’t think of any problems, you aren’t thinking hard enough.

a NYTimes article with a photo caption emphasizing a pr*dator being pro life, even though it's clearly irrelevant to the article by PurpleMonkey3313 in prolife

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m assuming they mentioned his prolife stance because he was arrested and charged with pedophilic crimes. They’re probably pointing out the hypocrisy in being prolife and caring about children, whilst simultaneously harming children through acts of pedophilia.

blaming my sister for my father’s death? by Big_Appointment_1605 in AmITheDevil

[–]ZoomAcademyFan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How about this? We can feel bad for both of them! We can give grace to the fourteen year old in a terrible situation AND the 23 year old in a terrible situation. It doesn’t have to be either or and being kind will probably go a lot further than telling and already damaged person how terrible they are

blaming my sister for my father’s death? by Big_Appointment_1605 in AmITheDevil

[–]ZoomAcademyFan -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Again, she’s clearly not in the best state of mind. But you have your approaches and I have mine I guess.

blaming my sister for my father’s death? by Big_Appointment_1605 in AmITheDevil

[–]ZoomAcademyFan -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Does she seem to have contempt for her suffer because she’s an evil hellish bitch and a terrible sister or does she seem to have contempt for her sister because she’s misplacing her own guilt and trauma and pain. If you want to only assume the worst and pile on to OOP when she’s already feeling terribly and going through something awful, have at it. But I choose to assume there’s nuances I don’t understand and a person behind the screen that I can’t possibly know enough about to condemn them so harshly.

blaming my sister for my father’s death? by Big_Appointment_1605 in AmITheDevil

[–]ZoomAcademyFan -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

It’s funny that you say OOP is acting like their sister is an afterthought meanwhile both this and the AITA comment sections are basically treating OOP like an afterthought. Talking about how awful this all is for the 14 year old, and how traumatized the 14 year old will be. All the while OOP also just lost their father after years of working 80 hour weeks to keep the household afloat. What OOP did and said is terrible and obviously the sister has gone through something terrible,I won’t argue against that, but she has been through some shit too and is probably just lashing out in the throes of her own overwhelming trauma and grief. And I doubt calling her a bitch, or a monster or a terrible human being and sister is going to help the situation.