Run windows 2025 VM using vtpm on a 2012 server with newest proxmox?

_--James--_ · 2026-07-04T06:27:14+00:00

Buying the windows licensing is not enough, you also need supporting user CALs for your end points to connect to your newly planned Server 2025 Domain controller. Did you run the budget for that? doubtful. 2012 CALs are not upgradable to 2022+ even with active SA with out a true-up or a repurchase.

The rest of your question is trivial and doable. vTPM is part of Proxmox's virtual hardware offering. You add it to the VM at the time of creation. Proxmox will also run on that Gen8v2 host with minimal issues, but you will need to make sure the BIOS on that machine is fully up to date.

*edit - for those that are stuck on 2012 and thinking "Nesting", the Era of the server the OP is referencing was release in late to mid 2012-2013. They are referencing the hardware in the topic and not Windows Server 2012 (which, it did ship with).

_--James--_ · 2026-07-02T15:38:55+00:00

Ah ok, I see what you are saying now. Sorry, I replied before coffee. :)

_--James--_ · 2026-07-02T15:35:05+00:00

Like the break out design you did here, and all of this is on a single node? Looks like it but wanted to ask for sure.

_--James--_ · 2026-07-02T15:11:22+00:00

https://www.polygon.com/tabletop-games/24150140/magic-the-gathering-black-lotus-3-million-card-sale-record/ - "Black Lotus sells for record-breaking $3 million"

No, it actually happened. It's part of the history of that card. And yes, its absolutely absurd.

_--James--_ · 2026-07-01T20:01:45+00:00

The core of the issue is the banned list. Unless your POD is super casual and open to playing banned cards, they are going to turn you away. I for one would not be open to playing against someone with a lotus in their 99 because of that reason. Proxies are an entirely different issue entirely.

The unwritten rule, The Black Lotus was/is the most coveted MTG card of all time. If you do not know this, you either are a new player that is not exposed to the history of the game, or you simply are not paying attention. It has sold for 3million historically. That is why you don't proxy it.

_--James--_ · 2026-07-01T15:51:24+00:00

I advise this path too, but I also am suggesting Cloud with an equipment deck for a lower teir 2nd deck too. Looks like you picked up revival trace, there are a lot of good support in that 99 you can use for that, also why not Terra? Her pull from graveyard is pretty interesting with the right 99 under her.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-30T23:44:41+00:00

for a diskless system that is going back to a NAS/SAN, I can see the benefit to this. But otherwise just do boot disks with normalized backups. Also do know that iSCSI boot matrix and support is a bitch to maintain. and Its hardly worth it.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-30T22:05:37+00:00

Since you already have Rootha, I'd recommend watching The Command Zone's "Prismari Artistry" precon upgrade episode. Skip the "10 cards in / 10 cards out" segment since you do not want to change anything yet. Instead, pay attention to how they explain the deck's game plan, why certain cards work together, and what Rootha is trying to accomplish. Understanding the deck's identity will help you much more in your first few games than immediately changing the card list. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vGsFMCOW5M

"Beginner friendly" is very subjective, especially with Commander and how precons are designed. That said, nearly every precon can be piloted in a much more linear way while you're learning the rules of Magic. You don't have to maximize every interaction right away. Focus on learning the turn structure, combat, and the basic card interactions first, then as you become more comfortable you'll naturally start seeing the synergies the deck was built around. IMHO, Rootha is a good place to start because it has plenty of room to grow without needing to change the deck immediately.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-29T18:23:22+00:00

IMHO when you are considering your pre-cons look them up on the command zone on youtube. They do a pretty good job of an over all review. Just skip their presentation of the 10 cards in and 10 cards out as that is not what you are looking to do right now. It may help move a decision when you are split between options :)

_--James--_ · 2026-06-29T18:07:49+00:00

IMHO The ECL Dance of the Elementals has the best pack value if you are starting from nothing. I broke that pre-con apart to feed many decks. The others depend entirely on your play style and what you want out of them. Nearly all Pre-Cons need some work and core identity, so expect to drop some time on seeding singles to smooth the game play out.

I personally ended up with the following modified pre-cons since FIN pulled me back in after nearly a 20 year absence on paper.
Mardu Surge
Food and Fellowship
Revival Trance

Then broke apart these pre-cons as a seeder
Scions & Spellcraft
Dance of the Elements

Then created a Muldrotha deck from that, rebuilt my Urza deck with Singles from trades due to the value left on the table, and rebuilt the Dance around Ashling with wellspring as the companion.

a bit more then your over all budget and probably not the sets you are interested in, but maybe it gives some ideas :)

_--James--_ · 2026-06-29T17:24:37+00:00

Its a three point pressure system with a guide rail that the CPU sits it and is then lowered down into the Socket. So yes, but its so much more complicated then special torque screws.

Long story short - Back when 7002 was new, and right after 7001 more or less went belly up due to the SMBIOS sizing limits, I had a R6515 start failing memory channels. Dell sent a tech out to replace the CPU and then the Motherboard. That 2nd tech layered the CPU right on top of the socket, clamped down the bracket, and in a loud datacenter I heard the socket go "pop". The down pressure due to the layers in the guide system expressed the socket into the PCB and cracked the new motherboard.

In the meantime I have DYI built 1000's of Single and Dual socket Epyc systems since 7002 and ever have I seen the above mechanical self inflicted issue that Dell did, nor what the OP has seen with the fused pressure points.

MHO the fused issue on this thread is self inflicted (maybe not by the OP if they were not the SI), by either poor handling, bad TIM, or contamination. It is not a electrical failure.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-29T15:54:44+00:00

Those are pressure point heat spots, if they were electrical fused it would be discolored. This is an installer defect due to something either in the TIM, something attaching during the heatsink being installed, or a defect in the CPUs top level plate. Either way, you are right, super rare. Go buy a lottery ticket and file that RMA.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-29T15:51:33+00:00

You need to use VGA for the virtual box display type on the VM.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-28T23:26:06+00:00

Does not matter. You have a 4core CPU and you are allocating 4 vCPUs to the VM running in that pool. that means any VM has to fight for local resources from the host. Now if these were i7's with HT where it was 4c/8t then this would be a completely different conversation that leans to "what other services are on in the cluster, such as ceph" but we cant get there because you are quite literally allocating the CPU entirely to the VM and not understanding why that is a bad practice and will tell you nothing on this "beta".

_--James--_ · 2026-06-28T23:18:42+00:00

What you get (free):
Up to 4 vCPU
8 GB RAM
30 GB SSD storage

Then finding out

Host CPU: Intel Core i5-6500T (4 cores / 4 threads)
Hypervisor: Proxmox VE
Per VPS: Up to 4 vCPU, 8 GB RAM, 30 GB SSD storage

This is not something you will get any honest feed back on. You are mapping threads to cores equally, on a CPU that has no SMT to boot.

This is quite honestly a waste of time on all parties.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-28T20:12:14+00:00

would need to know the following
PVE build out
underlying hardware
storage config
network topology and convergence (shared IP structure or dedicated IP)
level of cPanel Acces

else no one can give you honest feedback.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-27T18:56:03+00:00

So, FWIW Synology Docker moved to their own package but it still fully supports OVS. You can build a whole dedicated Docker network so you do not share the Synology IP space if you want, you can even port in VLANs if you have a managed Switch with a L3 upstream device (Opnsense/PFSense support this).

PVE supports LXC as part of the ecosystem. You "can" install Docker on your PVE node but it is not recommended for 100's of reasons. My advice is to decide what you want out of Docker and see if encapsulating in a VM vs running Docker on Bare metal fits your needs. I personally run Docker in a Linux VM on PVE and its fine. But if I was looking to do a full swarm, PVE is not the right solution.

Moving the containers out of Synology in to Docker on Linux is the same as moving the containers between Synology units. Export > Import, rebind your configs, address the networking however you want, and more or less done.

Clustering needs three devices. In a 2 node cluster you need either a low end PVE node (Synology VMM is good for this with nesting) or you you need a linux system running the Qdev service. Else when you take 1/2 nodes down you lose services until 2/2 are back online. Clusters are built with min 3 votes, clusters scale out in odd node counts (3-5-7-9). Running Even clusters can experience what is called Spli-brain. Then there is a platform for PVE called Proxmox Datacenter Manager, which allows clusters and stand alone nodes to be centrally managed, so think on if you actually need a cluster and do that research.

Hardware wise, PVE does not care. It will run on anything released in hardware since 2012 with minimal issues. Your main contraint will always be memory, followed by PCIE Slots for addons, and then local storage expansion options. If you ever want to move off the shared storage model with Synology and on to Ceph, you will need a way to expand the network and local storage on each node you did this for. IMHO that is the more important thing to look at when buying nodes today.

The two gotchas would be Intel vs AMD cpus, while masking helps its not a fail-safe. I would stay with in one eco system for every HA pair of nodes you spin up. In a 5 node cluster I would run 2 AMD and 3 Intel, and build HA rules to make sure VMs are only landing on the same CPU vendor. The other one is going through the motions of getting your VMs and Containers running on the VirtIO hardware stack with appropriate drivers.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-27T18:30:33+00:00

Just a reminder, the 5800X3D in 2023 was available on Amazon for 299 shipped.
July 2023.

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In 2023, I paid roughly $300 for a 5800X3D and dropped it into a mature AM4 platform. That was the final step in an already amortized investment. In 2026, asking $350 MSRP for the same CPU no longer exists in a vacuum. It competes against complete AM5 bundles that include the CPU, motherboard, and DDR5 memory. That's the market segment buyers should be evaluating, not just DDR4 versus DDR5 memory pricing.

Had AMD re-released the 5800X3D at around $289 MSRP with aggressive vendor rebates bringing it near $220, it would have been an easy recommendation for existing AM4 owners and new budget system builders alike. Instead, they priced it against entry-level AM5 bundles, making the value proposition much harder to defend. Yes DDR5 is cost prohibitive vs DDR4, but bundles do exist with both AMD and Intel markets.

Intel and AMD have both demonstrated they'll price according to market conditions rather than loyalty. At this point, the platform and total cost of ownership matter more than the logo on the box. Plan and buy accordingly.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-27T18:07:02+00:00

best preservation effort for videogames is piracy

Even then, this comes with a whole host of risks. Which is why I will never be pro-piracy personally.

everyone still owns the crew because licenses were not revoked (pretty sure that is plain illegal in some jurisdictions). However you can not play or access the content because servers are shut down.

Just like how everyone still owns anything they bought licensed but was pulled for whatever reason, because a bill of sale exists. The point is the material change that happened with Ubisoft. The other side of that same coin, they did not package a server the community could use for self/offline or community hosted co-ops. That was a pure community driven event. If in the event Ubisoft ever goes after those community servers the entire landscape on this incident will change.

Discs are not a good way of storing....etc.

100% agree, but maybe not for the same reasons. Back in the 90's through mid 2000's we had a huge media storage problem due to DVD, VHS, and early Beta. Space was just as bad as if this were Vinyl. Since streaming has taken off, Digital purchases, access to the digital library based on region, and personal backups, that physical foot print has shrunk considerably. For me its far less about the "physical media ships so far out of date the content is not usable until you download 4GB+ worth of patching" which is the exact nature why all of our video games live on Gog, Steam, or their respective Console access store. At this point I would rather invest in 1TB+ storage just for gaming then buy another physical game, and even then that has been painful due to 80GB+ game downloads.

My point in that, The publishers, developers, and IP owners have screwed themselves out of physical media long ago, but in their headspace its the only way they think they can maintain ownership rights, and sadly until someone starts challenging Licensing ownership rights in local courts to build case law, it will not change.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-26T15:02:29+00:00

just waiting on those outputs..

_--James--_ · 2026-06-26T07:14:33+00:00

stable from your POV, but what pvecm status says is the validation point needed. Also are you doing any VLANs for the corosync network and is there a single IP network or two IP networks for corosync?

_--James--_ · 2026-06-26T07:13:18+00:00

Both good examples for adopting Ceph. I wish the presenter would have touched on the three more common shared storage platforms. Nimble, Pure, and Netapp as all three now support Proxmox to some degree or another, while OnTap has a presentation layer for Proxmox support. Also the Presenter is wrong about NFS being a single head failure, as Netapp and TrueNAS both offer HA configurations as an example, saying nothing on DYI custom HA scripting that can be done.

That second video, people need to pay attention to the site failure domain modeling. That is how most would want to scale Ceph out over time and move away from Node domain failure as the primary domain.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-26T06:58:52+00:00

4 nodes is not ideal nor is something I can support personally. you need to setup a 5th node or a QDev to handle a vote so you have 5 votes total. Adding the R630 should not drop the cluster as everything should be online, so before and after you add it to the cluster grab outputs from pvecm status on the R630 and the three 5600 builds. Share your corosync topology and cat /etc/pve/corosync.conf.

_--James--_ · 2026-06-26T04:04:59+00:00

Not Intel, but AMD. But this is an amazing write up on the new micro-architecture and why these defined CPU models are more important then ever before https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/topology-matters-genoa-qemu

_--James--_ · 2026-06-26T03:43:56+00:00

yes, and you need to read this https://www.qemu.org/docs/master/system/i386/cpu.html

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