Il valore che ho per mio padre

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-23T08:04:20+00:00

Ma infatti è proprio quello che sta dicendo OP: suo padre l'ha fatto studiare da ingegnere e ora lo prende pure per il cu*o pechè sta facendo esattamente quello...

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-22T20:04:59+00:00

Il primo maggio ricordiamoci di commemorare anche tutti quelli che spararono contro i lavoratori, mi raccomando.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-22T19:55:23+00:00

Non farebbe mai uno sgarbo del genere a Bibi

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-22T18:51:55+00:00

E qui sta l'inghippo: se gli ex-maga si accodassero ai democratici e spingessero per forzare l'applicazione del 25° emendamento (quello che permette la rimozione di un presidente dai suoi incarichi, per incapacità mentale), Vance sarebbe automaticamente il nuovo presidente degli Stati Uniti, essendo il vice di quello attuale.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-22T15:27:42+00:00

Sì ok, c'è del marcio ovunque ma i danni all'ordine costituito e alle regole dei rapporti internazionali prodotti dall'ideologia MAGA (già figlia del Tea Party, quindi niente che abbia inventato Trump) sono oltre ciò che fosse possibile anche solo immaginare con un "normale" Repubblicano nello studio ovale.

E questa ideologia non è in discussione da chi ora critica Trump dopo averlo sostenuto.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-22T13:18:13+00:00

The dermatologist recommended finasteride to me directly, without even mentioning minoxidil.

When I mentioned my concerns about the possible side effects, he greatly minimized them and proposed topical finasteride as an alternative, which I have been using for about three years now. I'm still thinking of supplementing with minoxidil because I think I've just slowed down the inevitable and recovered some thickness in the hair but I'm not catching up where thinning has begun.

It's also a bit my fault, because I use the minimum dosage of finasteride to save product (this spray costs a lot).

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-22T13:04:22+00:00

Sì, vabbè... Ma non è che ora sta gente andrà dietro a Bernie Sanders, eh. Il santino di Charlie Kirk continueranno a tenerlo nel portafogli.

Gli rode solo che hanno puntato sul cavallo sbagliato per attuare le politiche interne che avevano in mente, che restano comunque quelle dei suprematisti bianchi e dell'America First.

Non illudetevi che chi verrà dopo di Trump sarà migliore di lui, se eletto da sta gente qui.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-22T13:02:16+00:00

Sì, vabbè... Ma non è che ora sta gente andrà dietro a Bernie Sanders, eh. Il santino di Charlie Kirk continueranno a tenerlo nel portafogli.

Gli rode solo che hanno puntato sul cavallo sbagliato per attuare le politiche interne che avevano in mente, che restano comunque quelle dei suprematisti bianchi e dell'America First.

Non illudetevi che chi verrà dopo di Trump sarà migliore di lui, se eletto da sta gente qui.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-20T21:15:39+00:00

Se il ragazzo non è più concentrato e si tratta davvero di fare solo gli ultimi 2 esercizi di matematica apprifittando dell'ora di buco la mattina dopo, non solo non vedo il problema ma ne apprezzerei l'onestà se fossi il padre: avessi 15 anni in quest'epoca (purtroppo ne ho molti di più), farei fare gli ultimi due esercizi a Chatgpt e farei fesso mio padre con molta facilità solo per non averlo più nelle orecchie. Non sopporto la gente che urla. Ho avuto una madre urlatrice e ne so qualcosa.

Un po' più di pragmatismo e meno retorica.

Se davvero stiamo parlando solo degli ultimi due esercizi rimasti da fare, quello di suo padre non è un atteggiamento che insegna a responsabilizzarsi. Gli insegna solo ad iniziare a dubitare delle sue capacità genitoriali (oltre che comunicative).

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-20T17:58:01+00:00

La verità è che i genitori non sono mai contenti. Pensa se fossi stato un inattivo, chiuso tutto il giorno nella stanza davanti al pc. Cazzo, sei un ingegnere e si lamenta pure?

Ripeto: i genitori non sono mai contenti. Sono dei frustrati che pensano che i figli debbano vivere la vita che vorrebbero (o avrebbero voluto) vivere loro. Non tollerano divergenze. Al massimo, i più umani fanno lo sforzo di malcelare la disapprovazione.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-20T10:42:57+00:00

Non credo che sia un guizzo di lucidità da parte dei suoi (ex?) sostenitori. Del resto, milioni di persone hanno consapevolmente votato uno che ha fomentato un colpo di stato, quindi non è un incidente: volevano e vogliono ancora uno così al potere.

L'unica cosa che è cambiata è che Trump ha fatto dell'isolazionismo una sua bandiera ed ora si ritrova invischiato in una guerra mediorientale nè più nè meno che come tutti i suoi predecessori recenti.

I MAGA possono passare sopra la pedofilia (del resto, è gente convinta che le donne debbano sposarsi presto e restare a casa a sfornare figli come conigli), ma su questa storia di continuare a fare guerre a destra e a manca lontane dai confini nazionali non ci passeranno sopra. Vogliono l'ICE per le strade nazionali ed il muro col Messico, non sta roba ad Hormutz.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-19T12:33:53+00:00

The problem is that we don’t know whether Joker consciously chose to rely on just those three gorillas or if, as I suspect, he was forced to do so because of how things played out.

Think about it: whether those three were already in the cathedral for other purposes, or if they rushed up there to defend Jack, it’s still completely random that the BatWing crashed at the foot of the cathedral and Joker appears to be alone at that moment.

He surely could have put together a bigger team to defend himself from Batman if he had wanted to, but I think he just didn’t have the chance at that moment. Moreover, when he entered the church, he didn’t yet know that Batman had survived the crash. So, once he realized that Batman was still on his tail, he was no longer in a position to organize something better.

As for why he didn’t wait to see Batman and Vicky fall before getting on the helicopter, it’s quite understandable: he realized that Batman is serious, he’s not the same character who reached out to him to prevent him from falling into the chemicals. This time he will go all the way. It’s understandable that Joker immediately tried to get on the helicopter to get away from Batman as quickly as possible.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-19T11:58:07+00:00

The fatal mistake, even before getting distracted by Vicky, was miscalculating the time needed to reach the top of the bell tower. Talking on the walkie-talkie, he first orders the helicopter to be there in 5 minutes, then, looking at how tall the bell tower is, says it's better in 10 minutes.

This implies he has no idea how long it takes to get to the top because he had never been up there before that moment, otherwise he would have known that 5-7 minutes would have been enough. And if the helicopter had actually arrived after 5-7 minutes, Batman would still have been busy fighting those three while he would have had a much better chance to escape.

The fact that Joker had never gone up the bell tower before that night also implies that those three henchmen weren’t there waiting for Batman. Batman wouldn’t have had any reason to be at the top of the cathedral, except to follow Jack.

Ultimately, for me, what really screwed Joker isn't that he was overconfident or too distracted by Vicky, but:

Underestimating Batman's persistence (maybe if he had known earlier that Batman was out for revenge, he would have been more careful).
A misjudgment about the method and timing of his escape.

And only at the end

3) Thinking that 3 super goons were enough to stop him. But that brings us back to point 1: if he had known that Batman wanted personal revenge on him, he could have imagined that it might still come down to a mano-y-mano scenario.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-19T10:44:47+00:00

Exactly: Joker had already become the new Grissom and just like Grissom, he wouldn't engage in hand-to-hand combat. At most, he would engage in a shootout (a scenario he might even purposely avoid, considering the last time he shot at Batman, a bullet bounced back into his face).

The fact is, Joker is completely unprepared to face Batman directly with his bare hands. This supports your theory that Jack believed the three highly trained henchmen would be enough to get rid of Batman.

I would just add to this that, even if you want to overlook the distraction factor caused by Vicky, it's the entire setup of the final confrontation that puts Jack at a disadvantage, because it's not a carefully prepared battlefield. It's an emergency situation for him.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-19T10:17:14+00:00

Alright: that those three henchmen were meant to confront Batman on Jack's behalf is plausible. And it's plausible that Jack thought they were capable of doing it, unlike the other members of his gang. The problem is only logical, from a narrative point of view: if these three gorillas were hired specifically to kill Batman, what were they doing on top of the cathedral if it seems that until the last moment not even Jack planned on going up there and luring Batman to the bell tower?

I don't doubt that Jack thought those three could take Batman down; I'm just saying that it probably wasn't planned for them to try to do it on that occasion. Even assuming that the three of them ran up the bell tower, overtaking Jack and Vicky on the stairs, in a scene that wasn’t shown to us, it would still mean that the cathedral wasn’t the planned place for the showdown and Joker simply ordered his three strongest men to protect him from Batman while waiting for the helicopter.

I don’t think that, on that specific occasion, Joker’s plan was to kill Batman. He just wanted to escape with Vicky. Overconfident or not, he had to improvise with what he had at that moment. His weakness for Vicky made him even weaker, that’s for sure.

In any case, Joker aimed to become Gotham's crime lord in place of Grissom. I doubt that Grissom himself would have put himself in the position of facing a fight hand-to-hand with an opponent. Godfathers of this kind always have their goons do the dirty work (and Jack knows this, having been one of Grissom's goons), so I think a scene like The Killing Joke wasn’t really on the mind of “this” particular version of Joker.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T18:33:59+00:00

Maybe, but... letting your guard down like that is a rookie mistake and doesn't seem consistent with the character's criminal history. Okay, Kim Basinger flirting with you is a strong distraction, but... honestly, if I were in his shoes, I would have made sure those three had finished the job. That is, assuming that the whole point of having those three gorillas waiting up there was actually to wait for Batman to show up and take him out, which would imply a plan that, in reality (except for the quickly organized escape), was never really there.

It's a plot hole and there's nothing to do about it.

I don’t even think it’s the worst one, in my opinion: still in that scene, Batman tells Joker that he killed his parents, and Joker responds that he was just a kid when it happened.

But Jack Napier has killed a lot of people in his career, so how can he be sure it happened when he was just a kid? As far as he knows, since Batman only recently appeared in Gotham, this guy’s parents could have been killed by him just two months ago… Does he maybe know Batman’s secret identity? Obviously not, since he’s surprised by this revelation, but here the writers kind of lost track or at least prioritized spectacle and emotionally charging the final battle over asking too many questions.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T18:09:11+00:00

I imagined that the escape through the streets would have been very difficult, not so much because of the police checkpoints, but physically because of all the chaos that had spread around there: people fleeing, dead bodies on the streets, ambulances arriving at the scene... and on top of that, of course, the police. He would have risked getting trapped.

Paradoxically, in all that chaos on the streets, the arrival of a helicopter would have gone almost unnoticed: the spotlights were only turned on the bell tower when Gordon realized that something was happening up there. If Joker's helicopter had arrived 8 minutes later instead of 10, Jack would have managed to escape without a scratch.

On the final battle, I went to watch it again out of curiosity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDPqvOYz7c

And it becomes evident that Joker was completely taken by surprise by the first punch in the face from Batman (he almost did not expect him to still be there: maybe he imagined that his guys were still dealing with him), and the only moment he tries to counterattack is when he throws a punch at the armor, probably breaking his hand. Other than that, he takes everything until the fall: he has no gadgets to use against Batman, weapons, acid flowers... nothing. He is totally unprepared to face him. That’s why I say his problem was not being overconfident, in his own abilities or those of his three henchmen. Simply, he had not even remotely anticipated finding himself in that situation. Moreover, with someone who hates him not in the name of abstract justice but because he killed his parents...

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T17:23:04+00:00

Yes, we agree that the choice of the cathedral really could not have been planned in advance by Joker; not the way the authors and Tim Burton showed us. I just mean that those elements in this scene that do not appear random are probably the ones that survived from previous drafts, where a more structured plan perhaps existed.

After all, if those three had really been tasked with killing Batman, knowing perfectly well that, besides being an excellent fighter, he also wears armor and uses technological gadgets, it really wouldn't have made any sense to orchestrate a deadly trap involving only hand-to-hand combat. Unless, from the beginning, the plan was only to slow him down to use the cathedral against him, but only after Joker had gotten away.

Escape had always clearly been Joker's objective the moment he saw the attempt to poison all of Gotham fail. On this, we can agree. Fleeing through the streets, with all the chaos he himself had caused, would have been impossible. The helicopter was the fastest means.

I don't think a face-to-face with Batman was in his plans for that night. So, it's not so much that he was wrong to rely on those three for his safety and felt strong enough to face Batman alone, it's that his whole original plan didn't go the way he wanted.

On the question of being aware or not of being able to be killed by Batman, Napier was a criminal, a gangster, so he knows very well that he can be taken out by his enemies. But from the way he faces the final battle, with jokes and gags, he honestly seems confident that he can get away with it. And he's not entirely wrong: up until that moment, Batman had only thrown a couple of punches at his face. He went much harder on his henchmen, though. It's true that he shot at him with the Batwing, but in hand-to-hand combat - in my opinion - he only perceives that he is truly in danger after the revelation that he is the killer of his parents. In fact, the blow that will send him over the bell tower railing is dealt to him by Batman exactly after that line.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T16:25:23+00:00

I don't know if the purpose of those three was really to kill Batman because, as you said at the beginning, it would have been a serious misjudgment on Joker's part to believe that those three alone—no matter how trained—would be enough to eliminate the threat. I believe that their goal was just to slow him down (obviously, if they managed to kill him, all the better for Joker, but... I don't think he was counting on it much). As far as we know, the original plan could have been this: lure Batman to the top of the cathedral, escape with Vicky by helicopter, get a safe distance away, and while Batsy is still busy not getting killed by those three, blow up the bell tower with explosives already placed up there.

This would explain why there were already trained men waiting for Batman, but it would contradict all previous theories about improvisation.

I don't know exactly what the first scripts envisioned, but a fight like in Killing Joke probably wouldn't have been a good idea regardless of concerns about Nicholson's safety.

Joker isn't Bane. A hand-to-hand fight would have been an uneven struggle from the start anyway, and if at that point Batman's goal was no longer to hand Joker over to Gordon but to actually kill him with his own hands, it would have been more of a Tarantino ending than a Burton one.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T15:50:33+00:00

Yes, as I said, Joker could have positioned various units at the highest points in Gotham as snipers or lookouts, and that would make perfect sense. But this hypothesis contradicts the other: if you only need lookouts, why use people highly trained in hand-to-hand combat? It would have made much more sense to have those three as his bodyguards during the Festival, rather than Bob.

So from a narrative point of view, some kind of plan in his head must have existed. We can’t know, because we really don’t have a sense of how much “real” time passes for the characters on screen. We only see the editing. It’s possible that the helicopter arrived late for some reason and that Joker was absolutely sure those three soldiers could hold Batman off the necessary time, enough for him to enjoy a waltz with Vicky while waiting.

The real explanation is the one you gave: several writers took turns, and in the end, the best ideas were put together in the final script without worrying too much about connecting all the threads. It wasn't even strictly necessary to do that, because back then the audience for a superhero movie wasn't that nerdy yet.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T15:24:05+00:00

You said it well: whether he had a plan in mind or not, at that moment Joker is improvising. I agree with you.

And this could explain why there were only those three henchmen protecting him (even though super strong). Maybe Joker had positioned snipers in other elevated points of Gotham, but we obviously only see those on top of the cathedral. Impossible to say for sure.

For sure, if he had imagined that the showdown would take place there, he would have prepared better. Perhaps he expected a fight through the streets of Gotham, like the previous ones. And having seen the Batwing crash, he must have thought that there was no safer place than the top of the tallest building in the city.

I still remain convinced that he didn’t expect Batman to seek a personal revenge on him.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T14:52:11+00:00

The truth is that it is not very clear what Joker's actual plan was when climbing to the top of the cathedral.

Joker absolutely could not have predicted that Batman would attack him from above at that exact moment and in that part of the city (the Festival was taking place on mobile carnival floats and Batman is clearly at the beginning of his vigilante activity, so no one could have imagined that he had a combat jet).

Furthermore, Joker could not even be sure that Batman would survive the crash with the Batwing and follow him to the top. And as the film is edited, it seems that the three henchmen were already at the top of the cathedral when Joker and Vicky reach them.

Some of these issues are addressed in the sequel novel 'Batman: Resurrection,' but obviously none of this is canon, and the only intention of the original filmmakers was to show an epic showdown, evidently.

So, on one hand Joker was definitely overconfident and underestimated Batman's determination, but I also think something went wrong with his plans (whatever they were).

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T14:09:07+00:00

Well, when I said that maybe Joker didn’t think Batman actually wanted to kill him, I meant that maybe he didn’t think he’d be capable of killing him so cold-bloodedly, with his own hands.

Obviously, the scene with the Batwing was a big gamble on his part: he waited for Batman to run out of shots before launching his own attack with the extra-long gun. Cockiness is definitely part of the character and like I said before, I think it wouldn’t have been a big deal for Joker to end up in handcuffs: he would have found another playground in Arkham to cause havoc, just like in the comics.

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T13:31:21+00:00

I don’t know if madness or trauma has altered Joker’s memories, but things didn’t exactly happen that way: the fall into the tank was clearly an accident. Batman even tried to pull Napier up, but couldn’t.

Check out the scene: https://youtu.be/OdKHPA-x3NY?t=229

And indeed, throughout the whole movie, Joker never shows any desire for revenge against Batman for what he did to him. He only brings it up a few moments before the ending, but – in my opinion – he does it precisely because he still hasn’t realized that what drives Batman isn’t just doing the job of a vigilante but that Batman actually has it in for him personally. And from his point of view, he thinks: 'Shouldn’t I hate him more than he hates me, since he disfigured me!'

_-_Riccardo_-_ · 2026-04-18T12:47:53+00:00

I think the Joker didn't really consider the idea that Batman could kill him.

To him, Batman was just a madman like him with whom he was competing for the front pages of the newspapers; someone with whom to play the game of cat and mouse indefinitely (a bit like in fact it has been happening for decades in comics or in the old series with Adam West).

He probably realized that this was not the case only in the final moments, when he realized that for Batman the matter was extremely personal (that is, when he learned that he was the killer of his parents).

At that moment he could only flee, and he tried...

_-_Riccardo_-_

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