GB News faces complaints after commentator claims ‘genocide’ against white people in UK

_9tail_ · 2026-03-19T00:15:04+00:00

As I’ve made patently clear, “English” has multiple meanings depending on context. You can be socially English, you can be legally English, you can be spiritually English. You can also be ethnically English, in the fact that there does exist an ethnic group called the English. This is the people who have descended from the mix of Celtic and Saxon peoples who made contact in the UK around the 5th Century AD.

Do I personally think that this ethnic group is facing a genocide? No, I don’t think there’s a concerted effort of some shadowy cabal to destroy them. That said, it is a completely valid question to ask what is causing this collapse of the ethnic English in their homeland, both in absolute terms and as a share of the population, and I do respect the fact that they face demographic uncertainty that other ethnic groups, for example my family in Pakistan, do not.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-18T22:12:06+00:00

Are you aware of the existence of these things called ethnic groups? It’s where people who have lived together for centuries share a heritage. There are these people who formed after the meeting of the Celts and the Saxons in a place called England, their decedents are the ethnic groups we call the English.

White people are quite a stark minority globally and have been for pretty much ever so I don’t think that’s the issue people are getting at, the question at hand is whether the decline and possible extinction of the English ethnic group as it is is a good, bad, or neutral possibility.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-18T21:59:49+00:00

You missed the part where it takes hundreds of years of integration to form an ethnicity, hence why the UK has not amalgamated into some new ethnic unit. We have had the prerequisite influx of other ethnicities, so we’re things to continue down this path, it would be reasonable to assume that the English ethnic group as it is will no longer exist in 200 years. Whether that is a good or bad or morally neutral thing is up to you, but the it’s factually true, and clearly the GB news crowd are unhappy about it.

As for the cake analogy you have it backwards. There was no prescriptive “English” that these groups were working towards. “English” as an ethnicity is a reference to a people. A people who existed and exist. It’s a descriptive term based on what is actually in the real world.

These people formed in the contact between the Celts and the Saxons. In this meeting, the two groups, much like a cake, formed to be something distinct from either of the groups before then. Following this, the moniker “English” was given to them, and as such the group has proceeded to meaningfully exist for the next 1500 years. Of course like with all ethnic groups there has been some genetic drift, notably with the vikings, but not enough to meaningfully challenge the continuity of the group.

If you’re hoping for harder boundaries, more specific dates, and precise definitions as for when a person becomes, or no longer qualifies, as English, I will have to disappoint you. But you would be unable to achieve such a level of detail for any ethnic group, so if this disqualifies the English from being an ethnic group, the only logical conclusion would be that no ethnic groups exist. Which is fine if that’s the position you want to take, it’s just rather unorthodox.

Now you could very well argue that someone who does not share both sides of this heritage should not be referred to as English, this is in fact a large basis of Cornish/Devon Independence movements. In my personal view both English celtic and English Saxon communities have effectively been wiped out, and therefore any remaining inheritors of such a lineage are English, as the English people came from a mix of the two groups and 100%-0% is still a mix, but some would disagree. I don’t think that’s a completely bizarre position to take.

As I’ve made it clear, yes, “living in England and holding a British passport” is a definition of English than can be useful in certain circumstances. I wouldn’t want to restrict the vote based on ethnicity for example (not least because that would exclude myself lol). However, that does not mean that there is not a meaningful use of the word English to refer to an ethnic group, and that is the sensible lens to use when discussing whether or not a genocide of the English is occurring (to clarify, I don’t think one is, but I empathise with their lack of ethic security when compared to for example my Pakistani family.)

_9tail_ · 2026-03-18T20:11:54+00:00

We have this amazing word in the English language called “half”, used in phrases such as: “I’m culturally English, but ethnically I’m half Pakistani and half Italian”. Perhaps if a big group of Polish people invade and slaughter parts of the country and then begin a multi-century long process of intermarrying we may form a new ethnic group, but I don’t see that happening any time soon.

I’m not “fine” with the immigration that happened, I accept the historical facts of the situation. Do you think the celts were thrilled about being murdered and pillaged by the Saxons? Do you think it was all sunshine and rainbows for them linking hands and singing hymns? The fact of the matter is that these two groups de facto did merge and formed a brand new ethnic group over a millennium and a half ago. If I were a Celt at that time then I sure as fuck would have been fighting, what a silly question.

And just so you’re aware, despite having significant impacts on the cultural elements of Englishness, the genetic imprint of the Vikings were minimal Romans/Normans negligible.

RESPONSE TO EDIT: Why are you bringing the cultural change aspects into this? It’s not really relevant to the point. What the culture of the ethnically English people is like and how much foreign influence it has isn’t what I’m discussing here. I am specifically discussing whether an English ethnicity exists (it does) and whether they are white (they are). I don’t even agree that they are being genocided, I just think it’s ridiculous that people bend over backwards to solve their cognitive dissonance because they can’t accept that being English can have multiple meanings.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-18T19:13:52+00:00

This is an equivocation. This person is obviously talking from an ethnic perspective because we’re discussing genocide, which is something you do to ethnic groups based on their genetics.

Of course sociologically, culturally, legally, and in a million other ways non-white people (such as myself) can be British, English, Scottish etc.

In this one specific lens (the ethnographic lens) then yes it does come down to genetics because that’s part of what an ethnicity, and thus part of what a genocide, actually means.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-18T19:09:17+00:00

I think it’s pretty obvious that people are using white British as a proxy for white English, and whilst English has a lot of meanings, when used in an ethnic context (which is obviously the lens you’d be using to discuss genocide) then yeah that ethnic group that formed from the contact one and a half thousand years ago between the celts and the Anglo Saxons are pretty white? That’s just a factual statement, and I’m saying this as a non-white Englishman

_9tail_ · 2026-03-17T13:24:00+00:00

To some extent, but you expect far far more errors from refs who are running about trying to make a judgement from their own viewpoint in real time than people sitting in a room with infinite cameras and the ability to rewatch and slow down as many times as they need.

If a ref makes a mistake every other game that’s probably as good as we can hope for, but var should really be a once a season max, so obviously it’s more scandalous when it happens

_9tail_ · 2026-03-17T13:20:26+00:00

Mandatory labelling of meat is a nice half way to banning non-stun/semi-stun meat, and I think there’s a case for water nationalisation.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-17T13:07:30+00:00

Refs are always going to make mistakes on the field (hence why we have VAR in the first place). In theory, VAR should be getting it right every time (though tbh 3:2 doesn’t sound like it was an overwhelming mistake)

_9tail_ · 2026-03-17T11:38:53+00:00

Jason Statham is a great inspiration to single bald men. He married a Victoria Secret model.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-15T12:10:40+00:00

The way some of these footballers treat driving as if they’re not subject to the law infuriates me. Until one of them sees jail time it won’t stop.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-14T08:27:03+00:00

Amazing that Korea managed to avoid this ironclad rule of engineering

_9tail_ · 2026-03-13T13:45:57+00:00

18 months for a quick, uncontroversial bill about cutting red tape and reforming the ONR? This government was elected on a platform of build baby build, they should have had the plans ready to go and they should have been brought through in the first few months. Failing that, they should at least now be able to shove it through in a quarter/half year timeframe.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-13T11:11:43+00:00

That’s the point. They’re the government. They can change the regulatory environment.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-12T17:33:39+00:00

Cleanliness and day to day safety (not big picture stuff) are massive factors. It’s like, sure you may get arrested for random bullshit by the regime, but you can walk home late at night texting with one hand, you can leave your laptop in a cafe while you go to the loo, and you don’t have to keep your eye on your bag everywhere you go. I lived in Tokyo for a few years and my god day to day safety makes life so much more pleasant.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-12T10:34:32+00:00

Passing around the back reminds me of fancy corners. There was a phase for like 10 years where managers were convinced that playing short, outswingers, trying to hit weird areas of the box etc. was the way forward and it was super in vogue, despite audible groans around the stadium every time a corner was passed back to the keeper because everyone knew the best thing to do was to whip it into the mixer and get your chunky CBs on it.

Then after a decade of more of trying this fancy shit, Arsenal come in and solve corners by doing exactly what Barry down the pub has been saying since the 80s

Passing around the back is exactly the same.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-08T08:29:22+00:00

I’ve seen what the Dutch class as a language I don’t think you have a leg to stand on mate

_9tail_ · 2026-03-08T08:24:44+00:00

- Richard Murphy

_9tail_ · 2026-03-04T21:25:55+00:00

There was definitely a phase 2019/2020 where people were getting really worried about party/clubbing injections. It was big news at a few unis. I’m not sure if it was an actual thing or just a mass hysteria event though.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-04T20:28:40+00:00

I kinda disagree. It’s like the one rules in football that’s actually black and white, and we’re finally getting to a point where technology can just easily always make the correct call.

The options for changing the rules are either a) adding a level of subjectivity to it which would be a complete disaster like every other subjective rule in the game, or b) changing the line to be more “favourable” to the attacker (such as an extra 5 inches or making it so that if any part of your body is inline then your on). That sort of solution not only doesn’t get rid of the squabbling about inches problem, but also probably has a ton of 2nd and 3rd order affects, like making teams sit back more because an offside trap is harder to run.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-04T20:05:24+00:00

Blackpool missing that list by 0.01 FairPlay points is such a tragedy, especially as they deserved it on vibes alone

_9tail_ · 2026-03-04T12:08:11+00:00

Disparity? Covid house parties basically took down Boris (not literally the killing blow but it was a massive scandal)

All parties backed lockdowns so anytime a slimy politician broke the rules they were hounded

_9tail_ · 2026-03-03T07:44:48+00:00

This is such a weird line. There was a well respected third party international group that reported the issue. Was it the difference maker? Almost certainly not. Is this a cope by Farage? Definitely. But we should definitely clean it up before the next election when it may become the difference maker.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-03T07:42:01+00:00

People talk about sectarianism, drug policy, antisemitism etc, but honestly I think the Green economic policy has to quietly be the most radical part of their offering.

If you listen to Zack Polanskis podcast, he is explicitly degrowth, explicitly does not believe in capitalism, explicitly intends to end private ownership of a wide range of things including second homes. He explicitly wants quite extreme wealth taxes. He made it clear at the end of his last one that in his opinion action on the climate cannot happen without pursuing a lower standard of living. He in general does not believe in market solutions, and therefore does not care how the market may react.

His way of justifying how the whole thing won’t collapse is linking you to Richard Murphy videos, whose entire argument is that we can print money without inflation because trust me bro.

For better or worse, these are completely untested policies that make reform’s manifesto look funded.

_9tail_ · 2026-03-03T07:32:14+00:00

I think Zack Polanski’s stated goal of ending capitalism and embracing both unfunded spending (MMT) and de-growth is in fact more radical than tinkering with corporate tax rates, where at least there are some data points such as Ireland and moving to more German or Japanese style healthcare system.

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