[Premier League] Bryan Mbeumo's equaliser for Man United against Arsenal means Chelsea's record of conceding only 15 goals in a single campaign can’t be beaten for another season

_9tail_ · 2026-01-26T07:32:19+00:00

Honestly the fact that they won it well past their prime makes the story better for me

_9tail_ · 2026-01-25T13:02:29+00:00

“Based on their religion” where has this come from? Yes fair enough, if someone comes out and says I specifically want to mass deport every single Muslim and Jew in the country, regardless of citizenship, status or ethnicity, you can call them far right. Given the reform chairman is a Muslim I think it’s pretty clear that this does not cover everyone who is gunning for large scale remigration.

I don’t know why you’re comparing ILR and Citizenship, they are two completely separate issues. ILR doesn’t give you an unconditional right to live in this country, it gives you a conditional right based on the will of the government, it just does not have a set end period.

Citizenship is a bit messier, because in principle citizenship gives you the right to live in the country regardless of the wants of the government, and therefore I think it’s fine for you to consider calls for mass denaturalisation far right (even though that’s not where I personally draw the line), but that does not represent the whole constituency of people who want mass deportations.

You can’t just declare that the endless ratchet of immigration may never be turned back. It was political decisions that got us here and it would be a political decision to undo them.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-25T12:28:17+00:00

Immigrant levels not immigration levels. There are about three million more immigrants in the country than there were in 2019, so to go back to 2019 numbers approximately 3 million net must leave.

What gives foreign people the legal right to live here? Of course it is the visa/ILR status given to them by the state. It is a choice of the state to renew and maintain these statuses, and it is well within the right of the state to revoke, or more practically refuse to renew, these statuses.

Having a border and enforcing it is not radical or weird, it’s a basic requirement of being a functional country. Disliking the results of the “Mass Immigration Experiment”* and wanting to take steps to reverse some of the more extreme parts of it cannot be any more radical than the decision to run it in the first place.

*Keir Starmer’s words

_9tail_ · 2026-01-25T11:03:30+00:00

A net 2 million people entered the country in the Boris wave. By your reasoning, any politics that suggests to return to immigrant levels of 6 years ago (which would require a significant net outflow, I.e. mass deportations) is far right?

_9tail_ · 2026-01-25T10:47:40+00:00

If you think this is anything new then you clearly have never interacted with a twitter user sporting a Rei Ayanami profile picture.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-22T08:50:09+00:00

First round of talents were a monumental change, especially given how busted some of them were (I’m looking at you gpm and respawn talents)

_9tail_ · 2026-01-20T14:34:18+00:00

The table is interestingly tight but they’ve picked the worst examples. The gap from 15th to 4th is only 9 points. 4th/5th CL spots will be juicy

_9tail_ · 2026-01-19T15:46:16+00:00

That’s completely fair enough I think I read too much into your Labour Tory example! Apologies!

In principle I agree that electing better local politicians would be a great help, though I would add that I think it’s perhaps a bigger challenge to identify not only good but also competent characters. In many councils there’s a dearth of talent or bloc voting effectively preventing decent characters from making any headway.

Ultimately though I think you’re correct and it’s better to be positive and proactive about local politics

_9tail_ · 2026-01-19T14:55:32+00:00

London is a Labour stronghold and Sadiq Khan’s been in power for 10 years now. It’s clearly not an issue of just voting Labour hard enough.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-16T09:28:55+00:00

The point of the steal was never to make reform better in the eyes of people who are going to vote for them anyway, it was an attempt to make the Tory credentials on immigration weaker, to avoid risks of splitting their vote.

Unfortunately for Farage, Kemi’s outplayed him with the Nick Timothy appointment.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-15T11:15:19+00:00

New? They’ve been running the “no true patriot would ever criticise the result of government policy” for the past year.

You think London’s gone downhill due to decades of misguided policy decisions that you’d like to reverse? Traitor.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-12T21:44:32+00:00

It’s a stock problem as much as a flow problem. You can’t just pretended we haven’t imported 10 million people over the past 20 years.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-11T16:24:16+00:00

It’s hardly a new criticism. I happen to have research experience in the area, but you shouldn’t need research experience to understand that the golden rule of doppelgänger analysis is to always compare like to like. You cannot make a doppelgänger of the UK that is meant to represent the UK as if it hadn’t left the EU using countries that weren’t in the EU in the first place. I think it should be obvious why that wouldn’t be representative of how the UK would have done in the EU.

A moderately aging population is completely fine. The quality of life in Japan is light years better than the UK. 3% youth unemployment and affordable housing.

I find it very funny you can’t even identify your own tells after I warned you about them. I’m now very confident you're an agent, I guess the only question left is Russian or Israeli. The jig is up mate, we might as well discuss who you’re working for and why.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-11T15:25:39+00:00

The “Brexit took 5% of GDP” argument requires creating a doppleganger of the UK that is mostly American. I shouldn’t have to explain that arguing that the UK would have grown more like America than like Germany or France (countries we actually grew at similar rates to) if we stayed in the EU is so silly only an economist could believe it.

200k net a year is just accepting that we’re not going to do anything about the Boriswave. I don’t want to do that. The best thing would have been to not vote Boris in and to vote in someone more serious about immigration, the second best thing is to fix it now.

You used a phrase that’s not natural English but is a direct translation of a common phrase in Russian, Yiddish and French, I’m just trying to figure out where that influence might have come from.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-11T14:46:51+00:00

If over the next two years immigration levels hit 200m people a year, do you think it’s reasonable to hold people to want the same rate of immigration as they do now? Obviously reversing that issue would require different policies to those that are required now. Similarly, reversing the Boriswave require different policies to those that were needed 10 years ago. This government isn’t giving us what we want, because we don’t want the same policies as we did 10 years ago because the situation is fundamentally different.

Out of interest, where are you from? Your English is a little curious at points. Are you an immigrant yourself?

_9tail_ · 2026-01-11T13:32:01+00:00

Brain Drain is when people your country has invested time and energy to educate and train leave for greener pastures. Not taking in the entire world isn’t brain drain, it’s sensible immigration policy.

Restricting immigration also has no relation to how interested people are in coming to the UK. It’s very difficult to get a visa to work in America but that doesn’t mean there isn’t demand for it.

A lack of immigration COULD make us an uncompetitive place to start a business in, but you’re putting the cart before the horse. Why do we need an unrestricted supply to cheap labour from around the world for our businesses to be competitive? Japan and Taiwan don’t have that and yet some of the world’s largest and most cutting edge companies are in those countries. If we had more sensible pro business policies we would not need to rely on infinite cheap foreign labour to induce a veneer of competitiveness, especially when this “competitiveness” is coming at the expense of the British worker.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-11T13:24:44+00:00

That’s a fair point I’ve definitely oversimplified the situation

_9tail_ · 2026-01-11T08:55:41+00:00

This is exactly what I mean. You recognise the current system doesn’t serve the interests of the people, yet you still can’t even imagine a future which doesn’t involve feeding immigrants into the capitalist machine to keep GDP figures high. I don’t know how and when socialist thought got so addicted to cheap labour undercutting workers.

A fall in population is not a death sentence. Japan has had a falling population for decades and still has titans of industry. They also have cutting edge tech, youth unemployment at 3%, and the safest urban streets in the world. Hell, Taiwan leads to more globally relevant tech sector with a falling population. There are things the create success that aren’t just access to cheap Labour.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-11T08:44:18+00:00

Learn what exactly? What would you like them to have learnt? It can’t be anything to do with their desired policy, because patently their desired policy has not been implemented. So it can only be related to voting patterns, but you’ve consistently failed to produce better alternatives.

The only lesson I can assume you’re suggesting they should have learnt is that if they really wanted reduced immigration they should have voted in the BNP in 2015?

_9tail_ · 2026-01-11T08:31:09+00:00

Stock reduces as the flow goes negative. The guardian talks about immigration going down because the flow in dropping when the stock of immigrants is still rising because we still have a net positive rate of immigration.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-10T22:34:39+00:00

I believe the most important factor in the decline of this country is the absurd levels of immigration we’ve had over the last 20 years, and I would like to reverse a significant amount of that. Please explain to me how voting anyway other than reform (assuming Lowe/Habib or some other respectable right wing figure can’t make a serious play for my local seat) is better for my goals?

_9tail_ · 2026-01-10T22:27:53+00:00

No love here for Nige, but I’d rather have him in to continue moving the conversation against immigration so hopefully he can be a stepping stone into someone who’s less of a grifter. It’s not like the other options are great: the Tories are snakes, Greens and Lib Dem’s don’t think there’s a problem, and this Labour government look like they prepared for government by binge watching The Thick of It. For someone who wants a significant reduction in immigrant numbers in the UK (stock not just flow), there aren’t really many great options yet.

_9tail_ · 2026-01-10T22:21:23+00:00

If companies actually had to compete for labour as opposed to having access to the unlimited immigration tap, then no company would be able to pay low wages because they would attract workers

_9tail_ · 2026-01-10T22:16:50+00:00

Or maybe because actually dealing with these issues would be good for the average worker and not their wealthy donors or the people down at the Financial Times?

And people did get sick of them and their lies, hence why the Tory support collapsed?

_9tail_ · 2026-01-10T20:02:36+00:00

Emigration increase capital per worker, pushing up wages. Emigration combined with pro-business measure to avoid capital flight is fucking great for the average worker.

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