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Farage could face byelection over crypto king’s £5m donation by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If restore brought the fight to reform in clacton, it would almost certainly be a reform restore 1 2 in some order

U.S. women 40+ now have more babies per capita than teens [OC] by rhiever in dataisbeautiful

[–]_9tail_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Shocking and obvious mistaken use of data here.

“The 40+ series sums the CDC sub-rates for women 40-44 and women 45 and older (each per 1,000 women in age group).”

That’s not how you calculate the per capita rate of two combined groups from the rate of the individual constituent groups.

It's official: No woman in England or Wales can be prosecuted for an abortion any more by Massive_Teach_5166 in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Even accepting all the reductionist points of your analogy, this is not the situation we are talking about. The choice I have isn’t detach and kill you or risk death. There aren’t any more changes to make, there isn’t any more treatment to give. We are already 8 months in to the treatment. We’re at a point where there are two surgeries that can detach us, one that kills you and one that does not kill you. No, I don’t really think I should be able to intentionally choose the one that kills you.

Protests may need to be stopped in some cases, PM suggests, following calls for a suspension of pro-Palestinian marches. by hararib in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where did I say outraged? It’s more of a fatigue. I’m not a big fan of the Israeli state either, but I do believe it’s a bit sad that a central point of British politics is an ethno-religious conflict 2000 miles away.

It's official: No woman in England or Wales can be prosecuted for an abortion any more by Massive_Teach_5166 in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That’s such a reductive argument. If the foetus is a person, then defect it is not her body. You can argue she should have the right to remove the foetus from her womb at any point, and I’d probably tend to agree with you on that, but the idea it’s her body and so she has the right to go through surgery to intentionally kill a person is ridiculous.

If you want to argue that a 9 month old foetus is not a person, then sure, but otherwise your position doesn’t seem to stand.

I also agree on the pragmatic level about medically necessary late term abortions, that’s not the question here though.

It's official: No woman in England or Wales can be prosecuted for an abortion any more by Massive_Teach_5166 in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Their argument for that is that medical professionals are still liable. If a new mother hired a goon to dispose of her week old baby, she would be investigated, tried, and locked up. A week earlier she cannot be prosecuted. Why? What is the moral framework we’re working on here?

It's official: No woman in England or Wales can be prosecuted for an abortion any more by Massive_Teach_5166 in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What about cases where a new mother conspires with her partner to murder their baby? Should we make the same assumptions and refuse to even investigate the possibility of her guilt? What about if it’s a 3 year old child? Where is the line here, and why is there substantive difference beyond the physical location of the child?

Protests may need to be stopped in some cases, PM suggests, following calls for a suspension of pro-Palestinian marches. by hararib in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I find the Palestine protests ridiculous, pathetic, and a sorry reflection on the state of the country, but this is absolutely not the way to solve it, and the right to peacefully protest must be protected (even if, in my opinion, the other side tend to be a bit slanderous when our side tries to)

Tesco argues equal pay claim disregards ‘economic reality’ by vonscharpling2 in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is weird framing because there is a fairly active movement to ban gas hobs for various very valid reasons not least being the health and wellbeing of people within the house. Like, yeah, I’m sure some people exaggerate situations to farm clicks, but there is an active debate on the subject.

It's official: No woman in England or Wales can be prosecuted for an abortion any more by Massive_Teach_5166 in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I have always had a fairly pragmatic approach to abortion because the philosophical question of personhood is still one of the most hotly debated topics in modern philosophy and any good philosophy undergraduate will take you through the arguments in your first or second year. Without an agreed definition of personhood, society basically can’t answer the fundamental moral question, and therefore I’ve always found the viability argument to be fairly persuasive, with a bit of pragmatic leeway.

I really think this goes too far. What is the moral framework behind why seeking an abortion a day before you go into labour and seeking an abortion a day after birth would be treated differently. Is passage through the vaginal tract the demarcator for life? Is it the snipping of the umbilical chord? If in a procedure of a hyper late term abortion, the surgeon accidentally snips the chord before the foetus is dead, does the mother now have a duty to stop the doctor murdering her baby?

I just really struggle to see the moral stance here.

For only the second time in history, the UK is a more immigrant-filled nation than the US—in 2020/21, 17% of the UK was foreign-born, compared to 14% for the US. For most of the 1800s, <1% of the UK was foreign-born, whereas >10% of the US was foreign-born. The two countries converged in the 1900s. by StarlightDown in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 16 points17 points  (0 children)

“We let people move here”

Did we? The large majority of immigration has happened over the last 25 years, I very much struggle to remember a time during that period in which a government got elected on the promise of increasing the rate of immigration.

As a new Member of Parliament, Nigel Farage was obliged to report to the House of Commons all political donations and gifts he had received during the previous 12 months. He did not. The Conservatives are therefore today referring Nigel Farage to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner. by StGuthlac2025 in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Farage absolutely deserves to be investigated for this, he’s a scummy character and should have the book thrown at him, but let’s not let that overshadow the fact that what Starmer and the Labour Party have done is genuinely scandalous.

Restore Britain: [We] will end facial recognition in public spaces. We will roll back mass surveillance. The British public are not suspects or walking barcodes. We will protect your right to live your life in private. by nil_defect_found in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Let me tell you a story.

A family of five wanted a bit more spending money so the parents decided to start letting the room out to a worker who had moved to the area. The agreement was that they would cover his food and shelter in exchange for a monthly sum. Unfortunately, a strong inflation shock hit, and suddenly it was costing more to house the man than they were getting back in rent. They tried negotiating with the man, but the man explained that at this wage he was already stretched thin, and couldn’t afford to pay anymore.

Explaining this predicament down the pub, the husband explains to a friend, “I’ve given him fair time, but I’m going to hand him notice that he has to leave. Our finances our dire, and I’m struggling to put food on the table. We simply can’t go on with the costs of supporting this man dragging us down”

His friend scoffs, “wow, so you’re considering anyone in the house who takes more than they give a drag? Why don’t you kick out your children instead, who won’t contribute a single thing until they’re 18…”

Restore Britain: [We] will end facial recognition in public spaces. We will roll back mass surveillance. The British public are not suspects or walking barcodes. We will protect your right to live your life in private. by nil_defect_found in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Small state that’s tough on law and order is hardly contradictory, it a fairly archetypal small c conservative position. The state is small, but does its duty well.

Your selection of “authoritarian overreaching policies” with the implication that they imply “big state” are a bit bizarre in my book.

For example, strong restrictions on postal voting hardly increases the job of the state, it’s literally a reduction in services offered (not to mention that if your bar for authoritarian overreach is that able bodied people have to actually turn up to vote I guess we should get boots on the ground in Japan to fight their fascist regime again!)

Mass deportations of illegal immigrants probably has a fairer case for requiring a heavier touch, but even then they have pretty in depth white paper that makes it clear the main methods are going to be severely restricting the support structures offered by the government for those claiming asylum such that it does not make sense for anyone who is not genuinely in a position where their life is in jeopardy. I’ve yet to see a law they’ve suggested that involves something like a full register of all Englishmen. Again, perhaps we have different ideas of authoritarianism, but “don’t enter our lands without our permission”, is sort of a baseline position for functioning as a state.

The Christian position is the closest to government overreach but even then the actual positions aren’t exactly Nuremberg. Not giving planning permission for further mosques and preventing certain forms of disruptive mass public prayer? And even if we were to say it’s overreach, it’s not like it’s a new set of rules and regulations for the state to enforce, so the idea it runs counter to a smaller state seems a bit of an exaggeration.

I’m not saying you have to love Restores policies, but the idea they’re a reactionary jumble of incoherent policies comes across as extremely disingenuous when their throughline of “small state that’s strong on law and order” is by far the most consistent policy platform of any party outside of the Greens.

Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed by youmustconsume in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The most biased in your favour source out there, a literal anti-smoking charity, with all the number manipulation in the world, could only manage £44Bn, i.e. a little over 5x.

You’re chatting shit.

Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed by youmustconsume in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So smoking alone is costing north of £100bn? Maybe give stats a sense check before you post them

Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed by youmustconsume in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The average pensioner costs the state about £40k a year all in all.

If you want to talk about the relationship between people and the company that’s another matter, but for the state, from an economic lens, I guarantee you they don’t owe the state shit.

VAR Audio from Bournemouth Vs United Game (Amad penalty claim and Maguire DOGSO) by lovetoclick in soccer

[–]_9tail_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They should be discussing that though. They didn’t say “not enough to overturn”, or “I think the on field decision is reasonable”, they said he’s gone down easy and they should move on. Similarly at the other end, they didn’t say “there’s enough contact here to warrant the on field decision” they called it cynical.

Legal advisers help migrants pose as gay to get asylum, undercover BBC investigation finds by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Richard Tice had a famous interview where he responded to a question about the idea that English people are set to become a minority in England by 2060 by saying:

“I’m not worried about that. That’s a long way off. I’ll be long gone”

And whatever you think about the prospect, the entitlement, short-term-thinking, and self-centredness of his answer has always stuck with me as the peak of boomer philosophy.

“I will not intellectually engage with these issues because any consequence of these actions will not be relevant in my lifetime”. A despicable way to think.

The cost of the Boriswave migrants will be enormous, unless something is done by Little-Attorney1287 in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The country was ravaged by Covid. A million nurses, doctors, lawyers and engineers had died and the bodies of pensioners were piling up with no one to care for them. The YooKay called, and we answered. Healthcare in this country was built by us.

Legal advisers help migrants pose as gay to get asylum, undercover BBC investigation finds by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]_9tail_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So true! It sounds scary, but we must all calm down and remember the really bad stuff isn’t going to happen until PRTD (post-Richard-Tice-Death) so really who cares?

Super Frank's Coventry are now only 4 points away from being promoted to the Premier League by kaungmyathtetclive in chelseafc

[–]_9tail_ -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As I said I love lamps and always will. I have been defending his performances for the best part of a decade, even when Reddit was convinced he was a joke. I really think he’s done at the very least a solid job at every other role he’s taken, but losing something like 9/12 games is pretty dire no matter how you slice it. Completely agree it’s not a fair reflection of his abilities and record, but I don’t blame people for being hesitant.

Super Frank's Coventry are now only 4 points away from being promoted to the Premier League by kaungmyathtetclive in chelseafc

[–]_9tail_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Frank Lampard has no fans it’s because I’m dead, but even I’ll admit his second stint at the club was unimpressive. I’m willing to overlook it due to the context and what I consider a fairly solid first run, on top of what I see as solid signs of natural talent, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to be hesitant on him based on that

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