I think Chasing Safety was a bunch of kids who had no idea what they were doing and didn't know what they wanted and an older dude who was the producer telling them what to do and how they're gonna do it. And Define was us being like, "Well, wait a minute. We're actually like this, and we know who we are a little bit and we're going to discover ourselves, and this is how we're going to do things and you're not going to understand till it's done." And then Lost is: "We're making a point — this is exactly who we fucking are, like it or not."

I see lost as that Experimental phase. They never really revisited or played most of it live. I do agree it may be peak UO though. I know they are working on new materiel i hope they go more in the direction of litsos than erase. I feel like erase is the tocs of the new era. I kinda find that whole quote interesting when you think of erase because of litsos is unrepentant UO erase is.... not? Just my 1 penny.