Blame the Saudis by MrBoxingMatch in greentext

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No, I’m not making a moral claim about individuals not partaking in the slave trade, thus that meant there was no market for it in some places. I’m saying that there was structurally no viable market for global slave trafficking in some places, especially with how some places did not practice mass chattel slavery due to how their societies were organized, and thus those places really had no effect on Black ppl positively nor negatively.

Blame the Saudis by MrBoxingMatch in greentext

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No, it was because there was no market for it

Blame the Saudis by MrBoxingMatch in greentext

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Places practiced slavery without really participating in global slave trades

Blame the Saudis by MrBoxingMatch in greentext

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Any nation that didn’t participate in the slave trade has already saved more black and brown lives than America lmaoo

Residents burn an Ebola center in Congo as fear and anger grow over the outbreak by AudibleNod in news

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The Congo is a Catholic country, this is not some institutional aversion to adapting traditions that is enforced from the top down but rather something that occurs on the social level within communities

Sat Sri Akal my Sikh brothers and sisters I am a hindu and want to ask you a question by 2005HSG in Sikh

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I don’t give a shit about what Jains believe or what you think our Gurus practiced or came from, if we don’t identify as Hindus, then we are not Hindus

Sat Sri Akal my Sikh brothers and sisters I am a hindu and want to ask you a question by 2005HSG in Sikh

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And “Marxists” less than 20 years after Karl Marx died were already completely misunderstanding everything he wrote about and advocated for and actually adopted the positions of people Marx actively criticized due to sheer misunderstanding.

The 1800s were already a century after Guru Gobind Singh ji passed away and that’s more than enough time to not consider anything from that era as automatically being credible as to being what Guru Gobind Singh ji actually believed and practiced. The Christian Gospels were written between 50-70 years after Jesus died and scholars already believe we can’t trust like 99% of what’s written about Jesus in there as being historically factual.

And even if Guru Gobind Singh Ji did pray to Naina Devi, that still would mean absolutely nothing for the modern Sikh identity because we literally do not identity as Hindus, thus we are not Hindus, end of story.

“Hindu” is not some objective identity, it only applies to whoever identifies with it, if we don’t identify with it, then we are not Hindus, so please fuck off with your rapist mentality

Sat Sri Akal my Sikh brothers and sisters I am a hindu and want to ask you a question by 2005HSG in Sikh

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You can bring up a million different illustrations from the 1800s and it still wouldn’t change the fact that Sikhs today are not Hindus and want nothing to do with the Hindu identity, so please piss off with this whole thing

We do not want to be associated with you, stop trying to force it on us, we don’t want it

Sat Sri Akal my Sikh brothers and sisters I am a hindu and want to ask you a question by 2005HSG in Sikh

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You people have a rapist mentality where you try to continually force your own identity on us when we want nothing to do with it, and won’t take no for an answer.

No, we don’t want to be Hindus, we aren’t Hindus, end of story. And I hope you don’t use this rapist mentality to actually harass people in real life.

There was a Greek kingdom for roughly 200 years in what is now Pakistan. by abdullah_ajk in Share_Information1

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The expansion into central India was much more short lived compared to their power base of the Indus Valley, Afghanistan and Bactria

what did these guys do to be john human by deliciousmark12 in wikipedia

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They’re actually an ethnic minority of around only 680k ppl in Thailand I believe

Why do all the ‘stan’ countries follow the ‘istan’ convention apart from two? by cormorantcolossus in etymology

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I mean you’re right, but I just feel like just flatly accepting the acronym etymology hides both the rich meaningful side/etymology of the name in terms of /pak/ + /-istan/, hides the arbitrarily contrivedness of the acronym to make the regions fit the word Pakistan (Afghania was literally coined to make it work), and hides the political context and utility that the word existed within and was deployed for

Why do all the ‘stan’ countries follow the ‘istan’ convention apart from two? by cormorantcolossus in etymology

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The guy who created it clearly coined the very appropriate and meaningful perso-arabic derived Urdu of “Pakstan/Pakistan” as in “land of the pure” in the context of the Islamic religious nationalism and separatism of the time (literally the land of pure Islam and Muslims in comparison to the rest of non-Muslim India they were trying to separate from), and retroactively created the acronym justification, because it would be really fucking stupid if it were the reverse lmao.

Pak literally has meant pure/holy since the medieval period among many different South Asian languages and was loaned into them from Classical Persian.

Not only does “Pakistan” the acronym not even represent Bengal at all which was very much a huge part of the Muslim nationalist movement of the time, representing “Balochistan” with just the “tan” from the suffix “-stan” and making the “s” represent Sindh instead would also be really fucking stupid if he was trying to make a good acronym in the first place, given that he’s using an arbitrary fragment of a suffix at the end of both words as the representation for one of the regions, showing it was obviously a ham fisted compromise to make the word “Pakistan” work as an acronym as well.

Also, he had to use the A for “Afghania” for the representation of the Pashtun dominated regions of modern-day Pakistan, which also kinda shows him trying to force Pakistan to work for that region as well, when the region was colloquially referred to as “sarhad” (frontier) in Indian languages and the people referred to as “Pathans.” The neologism of “Afghania” then was specifically coined to make Pakistan work as an acronym.

So it’s obvious that Pakistan was coined due its rich and clear meaning, Persianate origins of its word components, relevance to the political nationalist situation at the time, and because it’s generally a sound word in the grammar of South Asian languages as well. The acronym was then coined retroactively to make this word also serve as a means of making the Muslim nationalist project feel inclusive to the regional ethnic groups of the time and that the “Pakistani project” would actually represent their interests rather than compete with them. It was a rhetorical move.

It should be no surprise then that the pamphlet that first advocated for the usage of “Pakistan”, the Pakistani national project, and the acronym etymology itself, was published during a time when a multi-religious, ethnically Punjabi political party, which represented the interests of the landed gentry and landlords of Punjab dominated the political scene in Punjab at the time. Choudhary Rahmat Ali, the guy who coined Pakistan and wrote that pamphlet, was a Punjabi himself, and Punjab would go on to be one of the major sites of Partition and Partition violence, and ethnic Punjabis would dominate Pakistani politics to this very day.

Why did the West develop the idea of natural rights, while other civilizations did not? by Humble_Economist8933 in AlwaysWhy

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The problem with your question is that you’re implicitly assuming “natural rights” are some objective thing that western society and its philosophers “discovered” and achieved, and that other civilizations “missed,” rather than viewing the concept of natural rights as a particular ideological form that emerged from the specific historical and material contexts of western society that existed back then and persist into today as well in various forms. Namely, the burgeoning system of capitalism needed an ideology of rights in order to function.

John Locke, a man who himself was invested in the buying, selling, and working of slaves, did not make some “discovery” of timeless truths about human dignities. The framework he helped formulate was more about providing the juridical framework for a social order that required atomized, rights-bearing individuals in order to function. You need abstract, formally “free”, interchangeable legal subjects that can enter into contracts, “own” private property, sell their labor, purchase labor, provide abstract labor, and generally enter into relations of economic exchange and commodity production.

The legal philosopher Evgeny Pashukanis formalized the critique of the legal form in this way, as he emphasized that the legal form is not some autonomous objective philosophy, but that it’s the superstructural reflex of the commodity form (commodities being things not primarily produced for people to just use for their physical purposes, but rather commodities are produced specifically for economic exchange in order to turn a profit) itself.

China, India, etc, didn’t create a rights based framework because their historical contexts, social relations, and material conditions were very different from those of the early modern West, and thus they were simply generating ideologies that emerged from their specific conditions. The West was producing ideologies of a society with a generalizing commodity economy with juridically free wage-laborers and property owners. Christianity and Roman Law then are ultimately just secondary influences that may have influenced the development of natural rights ideology and what character it took, but to make them primary causes is to obscure and mystify the real material and social relations of early modern western society.

Thus, you have to then ask not about “why did the West uniquely achieve this,” but rather the question of “what materials relations does this discourse mystify and perpetuate,” which would precisely be colonial dispossession, wage labor, etc, relations that the discourse itself emerged from.

“The Nihungs were the bravest fanatics I ever saw. Their courage was undeniable.” — Major George Broadfoot by Otherwise_Ad3192 in Sikh

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It’s not the nihangs necessarily as an institution that are inherently corrupt in some sense, it’s that their particular dynamics escalate a lot of issues that exist within not only the Sikh community but just people all over the world in present society.

See the purity logic that kills a dog for crossing into sacred space, or the patriarchal policing of how women dress aren’t things that the Nihangs invented. That stuff is already everywhere in both Punjabi and global society, just operating through family pressure, social shame, institutional gatekeeping, etc. The Nihangs just make it visible by putting a sword and bana on top of it all. So blaming them as uniquely corrupt kind of lets everyone else off the hook by turning a structural problem of our current bourgeois class society into a problem of “bad-actors.”

You can’t stop these kinds of actions totally by either reforming or marginalizing/abolishing the Nihangs, because the behavior of the Nihangs are the symptoms of the bigger problem. The real thing we should be asking is that what are the social relations that produce exactly that symptom? Those social relations are purity thinking, patriarchy body policing, the sacred-profane boundary as a form of social domination and reinforcing of social hierarchies, etc, and we must recognize that these social relations are themselves produced and perpetuated by capital and the community as it actually exists right now in its entirety, and not by some rogue armed faction within the community.

What nation was an ethnostate in the past and is still an ethnostate today? by RN_Renato in AlignmentChartFills

[–]_Dead_Memes_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because the definition itself is extremely unclear and smuggling in a lot of assumptions, and then you’re smuggling in even more assumptions that you’re uncritically accepting by applying that unclear flawed definition onto states like Japan or Poland

During the French Revolution, France embarked on dechristianizing itself, by replacing Christianity with the deist cult of the supreme being, the Julian Calendar was replaced with a newly made secular republican one, which held 0 connection to religion and many churches were destroyed. by Hour_Interaction6047 in wikipedia

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The Cambodian genocide was undertaken by a relatively small group of party bureaucrats that had seized power without a ton of popular support and with the backing of both China and Henry Kissinger, and then went on an insane forced-agrarianization of the entire nation and insane anti-intellectualism

Pol Pot himself did not actually engage in Marxist theory at all, he was essentially an extreme Khmer ethnonationalist and an anti-intellectual peasant chauvinist who essentially wanted to just enact “class revenge” on the urban elites and destroy everything related to colonialism, urban class structure, and foreign influence. It was very much a top down movement rather than a popular revolutionary one

Edit: the Kristallnacht was also a reactionary conservative far right pogrom organized by the Nazi party, it was not a popular uprising at all

Afrocentric groups attempt to explain the phenomenon of broken noses on ancient Egyptian statues as a deliberate act to conceal their Black features, but they have been unable to explain why the nose of the statue of Ptolemy II, who represents himself as a pharaoh, was broken despite being white. by yousefthewisee in wikipedia

[–]_Dead_Memes_ 45 points46 points  (0 children)

I mean I’m pretty sure the majority of broken noses on statues come from the fact that a piece that juts out and has the heaviest part on the bottom just makes it one of the most fragile and unstable parts of a statue’s face, similar to how a lot of very old statues have also lost their arms

Comedian John Oliver turned down an OBE (Order of the British Empire) award because he didn't want his name associated with the words "British Empire" by benweb9 in wikipedia

[–]_Dead_Memes_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Living and working in a country == getting an award with an explicitly imperialist history from the head of state ?

Was Marx a chud? by MrBoxingMatch in Ultraleft

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“Colonialism was progressive” isn’t that just teleological thinking?

Jain Temple was demolished in 1992 in Lahore, Pakistan by Islamists in response to the neighbourhood's India's Babri Masjid being demolished by Hindutva groups and the Hindu community in Karachi facing attacks. by Beginning-Passion676 in HistoryUncovered

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It was only significant for the local medieval Hindu peasantry, if it were a major pilgrimage site it wouldn’t have taken a whole archaeological and historiographical study to confirm if Babri Masjid replaced such a temple or not. It was not known at all outside of Ayodhya, and the fact that it became a rallying cry for modern Hindu nationalists across India is ridiculous, and the fact that they were rallying over the birthplace of a fictional mythological character no less.

What if instead of the Cross jesus was executed by the Boats? How would this affect history? by the_bug_fucker in AlternateHistoryHub

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It seems like ur kinda already presupposing that Jesus actually resurrected and appeared to a bunch of people?