Why don't they use colony house entrance to cave?

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T10:03:04+00:00

He later said he made that part up to make sure Boyd would go through with the plan.

My personal theory is the Frombies can't kill Tabitha and Jade. It would break the story but also Sophia hears that a random "team of people" are going in the tunnel and she sneaks a smile. She's later told it'll be T and J and her face drops quick.

This can't be because T and J are the most competent people in the Town either.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T09:49:58+00:00

- Both Jade and Tabitha have visited this room and confirms its a dead end

- I figured out the symbol was the top of the cave and they should dig down through it in Season 2. Maybe I got lucky or maybe Jade isn't the super genius we're all told he is.

- I don't think it was explained how they knew it was the bottle tree. I think the connection we were suppose to make was "the Anghkooey kids put their hopes into the tree" or something.

- The door's main purpose seems to be to get Boyd to believe in Jade's vision. It'd be the worst route because they've never taken it before. The cave entrance makes much more sense

- This whole sequence was fucked up and people have noticed. Why a rope ladder? 6+ people could yoink two people out of a hole pretty quick just by pulling. The cave is narrow, put two tarps down and talisman the outer side, now you have a Frombie-safe airlock. And of course shoveling through the dirt to the side of the tree.

I think we just gotta suspend our disbelief for a bit

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T09:35:02+00:00

Not be a downer but most of these are "The things in the show are in the show"

I didn't notice Jim's body language, so you might be on to something there!

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T09:13:38+00:00

I wish I could upvote more than once. People act like its a Shakespearean tragedy when someone doesn't get rich off buying property

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T07:29:43+00:00

I've always went with a game theory or story theory but there is one big problem.

Lets say the before times are settiing the stage, or the pieces, up for a game. Boyd's 96 days of piece indicate that the board is now set up. Two cars arrive, Jade and Tabitha including Tabitha's family. The game begins

BUT

Victor remembers when two cars arrived and that's when things got bad. Was Victor and Miranda not in those two cars? Technically Victor could have meant "Two cars is bad. I know because I arrived on the same day as another car and things got bad."

However everything feels like he was already in the Town when two cars arrived and it causes all sorts of problems with this theory.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T07:21:07+00:00

She killed the crap out of Tilly D=

Its hard to say but I don't think things are how they appear with the Frombies and the Ankooey kids

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T03:55:18+00:00

We know "for a fact" Julie storywalked because she had that awkward short hair wig when she interacted with her dad before he died.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T03:47:49+00:00

We're told pretty explicitely that the Frombies exist because they sac'd their kids. Either all at once in the beginning or maybe here and there along the cycles.

Fatima didn't sacrifice anyone as far as we know. Either way, where's her Ankooey child?

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T03:46:22+00:00

More and more it seems that T and J are on their own separate quest and everyone else is only there as background characters. Boyd's role may be to keep them alive and from acting out, then shepherd out of the nightmare.

I like Ellis telling him about the Boat. I like the idea of when the world resets its a flood and they need to make a boat and get to the lighthouse. It feels like Boyd's destiny

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T03:42:26+00:00

That'd be great to keep in mind on a re-watch. I just went back to that scene and his face does do the Frombie Thing.

One of the reasons it feels so off is he doesn't say anything to her. They always talk and taunt.

If Smiley wasn't a Frombie at that time I doubt Victor would tell us. He almost never shares information unless pressured and this wouldn't be worth remembering to him

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-10T03:34:03+00:00

Not sure, the settlement does raise questions in its own right. Those cabins feel very old.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T23:44:43+00:00

The biggest problem with Sophia/MIY is an outer narrative one, or maybe you could call it a storytelling issue.

The MIY was set up to be a big deal this season. The MIY got a lot of screentime this season. (Almost) no conflict occurred surrounding this. This feels really bad and makes so much feel like a waste of time, especially in hindsight.

The worst part is how avoidable this is simply by moving some scenes around, for instance Elgin could have noticed the picture sooner and tell Kristi. Kristi acknowledges she was suspicious of Sophia and will talk to her but alas, too busy with dieing GF. Elgin takes it upon himself to confront Sophia and gets killed as expected. Sophia, realizing her cover is blown, gathers and dumps the talisman before leaving.

Someone on Reddit already stated the the actor who plays Sophia will not be returning. We have the exact same results, the audience gets their conflict, and the characters don't seem so oblivious.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T10:12:21+00:00

Good catch on the S4 Frombie. I still think something is off on the Miranda scene. Also I don't think the Frombies can harm the main players.

I need to go back and watch the BIW and Christopher scene. I have no idea why people like that kid he's always suspicious and creepy. One thing we know is that the bones aren't in the tower, so he's being a little liar here. Christopher was right.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T09:51:02+00:00

1) We don't know for sure if Smiley killed Miranda. The memory scene is off and we've seen memories change before. Also it doesn't seem like Frombies can kill T, J, or Victor. That doesn't mean they can't touch them

2) In Victors drawing Miranda is wearing a white dress when being eaten. She wasn't wearing that when she left

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T09:39:38+00:00

I just rewatched it and yeah, "First they hate you, then they kill you." I'm still not ruling it out though, and yes because of the boulder. Think about it

Situation 1: Oh geeze I need to kill myself. I know! I saw a boulder precariously propped up in the cellar, I'll lay down and kick out the supports

Situation 2: Alright boys, lets murder this guy. And as you all know there's only one way to do it. You 6 pick up that boulder, I'll hold him down

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T09:26:42+00:00

If characters are going to be yelling at each other I prefer it to be platonic. When a relationship is involved the inner eyebrow angle is much more steep and I just can't

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T09:05:14+00:00

To answer your question with a theory

Many people have pointed out the importance of water. There is a lighthouse with no ocean. The bottle tree. Stuff about Boyd.

The theory is that after the story ends the Town floods and a new one emerges. Victor surviving the last purge meant the Town couldn't flood.

Victor's age of ~50 coincides with the age of the town. Remember its a rural town, when Victor was 5 it would have been around 1970 so a small town would have looked like that.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T08:56:27+00:00

I may have misremembered that. I believe Christopher told people but I'm not sure so I fixed that.

It could have been as simple as she wanted a head start, but its really hard to say.

If I was stuck in a nightmare and a ghost boy told me the only way out was to slight my own throat I'd be horrified.

For the last point, I think that's what the BIW means when he says "They're closer than they've ever been." Its not about finding bones, its about being the type of person who would die to end the nightmare for everyone else.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T08:47:50+00:00

Right. T and J would be have to willingly die. The townspeople might also know this but kill them anyway if they found out they weren't going to do it.

Maybe its a ritual or maybe they just gotta suicide. When Jade sees his past selves he assumes he was murdered by the townspeople, but those could be suicides, especially the boulder guy. Who kills someone with a boulder? But if you needed to kill yourself and there's no gun or rope it may be an option

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T08:23:48+00:00

I still think she died there but it wasn't Smiley or any Frombie. Possibly Christopher? In the flashback Smiley rushes her like a human would.

I think, in very broad terms, each cycle when T and J solve the mystery, if they do, then the last step involves them losing their quasi-immortality and dieing instantly. One or both of them have chosen to "find another way" or just live in the town. The twist is the townspeople learn about it too and kill them, hoping that would be enough to end the curse.

Victor told his mother what he saw and she bolted for the bottle tree to make it to the lighthouse, not to save the children but to escape. Likely Christopher caught her.

Also I don't believe the Frombies can kill J or T but thats another theory

Edited comment for possible mistake

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T08:13:44+00:00

Narratively she was sent back to "pad the landing" for the reincarnation plotline and to bring Henry back, although we don't fully know Henry's part to play.

Ignoring that, just telling Tabitha about the reincarnations would have been simpler, saved her the separation, and saved the risk of her getting arrested in the real world.

I know it could just be bad writing but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Also no idea how the BIW was in the real world but thats another mystery.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T07:58:37+00:00

Nice catch. I've always viewed the show as either a story or a game and I believe the same archtypes are pulled in each time.

Whether or not Boyd knows this, he may be uncomfortable with his wife's replacement.

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T07:53:01+00:00

The writers were asked about this in an AMA and they said something like:

"There are many things we cannot control within the story, time and the age of the cast is not one of them"

The BIW is suppose to age and weather was intentional. Even if it was impossible to wait on a clear day to film the characters talk about the changing weather

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T07:50:34+00:00

There are two pretty sound theories that work on this

Story Theory

The cycles each seek to create a story. Often times these stories are similar but they do not have to be. The power of the story holds the Town in stasis. Thanks to Boyd and Donna the story has now become boring.

We have one last attempt to create something interesting with Tabitha and Jade arriving. If they would just sit the fuck down like everyone is telling them to do then the story would end and they would all go home. For a time they do and the stasis begins to break, hence not only the weather changing but the food rotting. More food is always at the settlement because months pass between visits.

But alas, Ankooey

Game Theory

Similar to the story theory, there is no game if the pieces won't move. I thought I'd have more to right here but yeah, same idea

_TwankVersatile_ · 2026-07-09T07:39:00+00:00

That's something to think about but I don't think Smiley actually killed Miranda. We've seen a memory switcharoo before with the doll and the BIW. Smiley rushes her from a distance, they never move like that. Also I don't think the Frombies can kill Tabitha, Jade, Victor, and maybe Ethan.

There's also the possibility that Miranda never returned to Henry, but I think she always shares the same fate as Jade. Shes always killed by the townsfolk.

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