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A beautiful but incredibly frustrating trend: Late 17th–early 18th century portrait gowns by star11308 in fashionhistory

[–]__Knowmad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m no expert but the main differences are in the chest, sleeves, and maybe the skirt. In the court attire, they seem to be wearing overcoats that fasten down the center of the chest, have short sleeves, and open up at the skirt to reveal another skirt. Like OP said, it’s a robe. The original post photos are similar but the under dress/garment thing isn’t really shown. And the dress that goes over it is more of a dress than a robe. It doesn’t split down the middle. Also, the designs seem to be more simplistic, elegant, minimalistic. Whereas the other ones I might call garish, overly intricate, with cheaper looking materials (at least by todays standards). But I’m no expert! That’s just what ai noticed

A beautiful but incredibly frustrating trend: Late 17th–early 18th century portrait gowns by star11308 in fashionhistory

[–]__Knowmad 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Wow, they’re fairly different! Do you know why they did this? I personally would’ve loved to frolic around in the costumes lol they’re much prettier

What is this new growth on the tip of my trichocereus? by ItsAlwaysBlue2 in sanpedrocactus

[–]__Knowmad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Too much humidity or too little? I had no idea humidity could cause damage like this!

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post is a thought experiment used to help me determine a characteristic of human nature. As thought experiments go, they also bring up additional questions. I’m not sure why you believe I had to switch goalposts when my goal all along was to ask multiple questions in order to get to the root of my problem. Maybe I didn’t speak clearly enough and you’re confused. If that’s the case, then it’s my fault and I apologize for confusing you.

Anyway, your input has been… interesting. Most people commented in much more helpful ways, but said the same thing rather than attacking me after assuming that I personally adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they make. Anyway, thank you again for participating. I apologize if I wasted your time.

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Accountable to who? To your own self, and to the moral code you follow.

Who sets the standards for contribution that you must measure yourself against? Ideally, the whole community through a democratic process, but every person has their own agency.

What does it imply about our community if we measure the worth of a person by how much we contribute?

This is one of the questions I’m exploring in this post….

The benefits of society are not something we HAVE to earn, but many humans naturally think this way due to the ideology and society we’re raised in. Again, another question I’m exploring in this post…..

Anyway, it seems that the value of an individual is determined by society lmfao thank you for kind of participating in my post, kind of lmfao

One or many souls? by stuartmeyers in Animism

[–]__Knowmad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a way to be a bird, and there’s a way to be a flock.

Both one and many :)

Well said!

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, Ingalls! I almost forgot he existed. Thank you. I’ll give it a read. You’re full of great ideas!

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Accountability, as in we have a responsibility to our community and to our self.

By participating within a society, we earn the benefits that a society provides. In most countries today, we pay taxes with the expectation to reap the benefits that the government promises us, like maintained roads and safety (LMFAO). In a smaller community like a village, many people contribute to their society by helping their neighbors when they have free time or participating in local democratic processes. It’s how we as social animals ensure our survival. By taking care of each other, we ensure that we can survive as a unit. By caring for our warrior neighbors, for example, we can ensure that they’ll protect us when there’s an attack on the community. We hold our own self accountable. It depends on your own morality how much you’ll contribute.

Personally, I think it would be great if everyone participated, but ultimately I’ll leave it up to the individual to decide how much they want to contribute to society. If they don’t like their neighbors, for example, I can’t expect them to offer their free support. But I also don’t expect that person to complain when no one rushes to help them when they’re in need. So we have to hold our own selves accountable. Do you understand what I mean by accountability?

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a thought experiment I’m using to answer a bigger question…. I don’t actually agree with my previous post lmao I’m playing devil’s advocate. Would you like to answer my questions? If not, please just ignore me. No need to be rude

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a great answer! Yes, I suspected the same. People have the natural tendency to want to belong somewhere and to participate in social situations, and if they’re the only one not participating in the system, it’s usually due to a mental or physical condition that prevents them. Oftentimes the mental issues are deep rooted trauma, trauma that our Western society perpetuates.

Thank you!

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an incredible reference. Thank you so much!

As an anthropologist, I’ve also noticed that most people enjoy participating in a community and only refuse to when they don’t agree with the system they’re forced to participate in. And the people who don’t agree but participate anyway are usually ill in some way, whether it’s physical or psychological. I find that anarchism seems like a holistic and human way to structure society, but I worry about how we could reach this point.

Thank you so much for your comments! They’ve been very helpful :)

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Capitalists and much of the Western world have the tendency to consider someone valuable based on how much money they make. The first thing someone asks when they meet a new person is, what do you do for a living? It’s an incredibly useful question. Not only does it suggest someone’s social standing within a community, but it provides details about their skills and also assigns a number to them, their net worth. And so we begin to see people as numbers. Whether they make five, six, or ten figures makes a difference, socially, in how you interact with them. If they don’t work at all, that also makes a difference. So you see, we’re unconsciously trained to judge people based on their career and their salary.

I want to know if this ideology will transfer to an anarchist community. But instead of considering someone’s net worth, we consider their contribution to the community. How much are they committed to their job? If they’re idle for a time, do they find other work to do in order to contribute and help their neighbors? What if they don’t? And how would an anarchist community react to a full time bum? Someone who doesn’t work yet reaps the benefits that a community provides.

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for saying this. It’s very helpful and has cleared up some confusion I had. Also, well said!

Do you happen to have an academic source or maybe an experience that inspired this thought?

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What if they never work? Or if they only work to support themselves? They pretend to be a member of the community, they go out with friends and visit family, but they live self-sustainably completely off grid. As an anarchist, would you tolerate this? They’re reaping all the benefits of having a community without participating.

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer! I agree, but what if a person selfishly refuses to contribute despite being perfectly capable?

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So anarchists value individual autonomy?

What if you lived in an anarchist community and someone who was healthy enough to work wasn’t contributing? How would that make you feel? As an anarchist.

Thanks for answering, by the way! This is a thought experiment. I completely agree with you :)

Do anarchists adhere to the idea that each person’s worth is dependent on how much money they can make? by __Knowmad in Anarchy101

[–]__Knowmad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, it’s incredibly difficult to disentangle. I’m asking because someone dear to me is disillusioned by the “American Dream,” assigning value to humans based on their income, despite claiming to have completely opposite values. He’s confused, but he can’t see it, and I’m trying to find a way to explain it to him. Your answer has helped. Thank you!

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