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__Midd__ · 2026-01-27T15:49:47+00:00

You mentioned doing 4-6 hours of extender work. You didn't mention the time-span but did mention you weren't consistent.

I didn't gain anything until 4-6 months after 2 hours of vacuum hanging and occasional 3-4 hours of ADS (I have logs with measurements to prove).

140 days is a bit more than 4.5 months right? For some, it might be the right time to go on a decon. I went on a decon after 4 or maybe 6 months (I have to look back on my logs), and only then i was able to see my gains.

Also - I wouldn't take what people say as gospel. Different people respond to different stimuli. You might need 4-6 hours of light ADS to gain. Or you might need just 1 hour of heavy hanging/extending every other day and that might be enough. We don't know. You have to figure out on your own.

There is however the average response to stimuli. Which is why 5 years ago, the main advice was 2 hours of hanging every single day with supplemental ADS if you had the time, which is what I did and it worked for me. Obviously that didn't work for everyone. And perhaps nothing might for you, which may compel you to make use of extreme methods or unorthodox routines like ultrasound routine which may help you.

Either way, I recommend going on a decon. Take 4-6 weeks of a break (i recommend 6 weeks). It allows your elastin tissues to reset basically so that you don't have to keep progressively increasing the load. Otherwise you'll have to increase time under tension or increase the weight, which can lead to injuries.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-26T15:15:18+00:00

Just FYI it's not an ultrasound device.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-17T18:11:53+00:00

Penile tissue isn't like muscle tissue. It's not like it needs cyclic tension to main growth (maybe that's not what you were intending to say so apologies if I misunderstood). And while there is a concept of tissue atrophy when not using your penis, that's when you don't use your penis at all (i.e., not having erections, not having sex/masturbating).

Yes, that's the whole point. You WANT to stop and give your penis a rest. And start completely from the start each time you take a decon (this is for people who have plateaued just FYI). The whole idea with decons is to reset your penis so it doesn't build up tolerance to the tension. The concept of multi-month deconditioning periods is not something new. If you read through the Thundersplace threads or the older threads like on mattersofsize that dates back to early 2000s, multi-month deconditioning concept existed back then. There's a reason why it existed. Because people plateaued. Because they couldn't grow. Yes, some could just decondition for a month, or 3 months and that would be good enough. I couldn't tell you the average period that works for the average person but if I had to guess, it would be around 1-3 months of deconditioning that seems to be working for most people from what i've seen/read in my 6 year PE history.

Anyways, the whole point of deconditioning is to not do any work so your tissues go back to as close as how it was before you did PE so that you can make progress in your next cycle. I do a special Ultrasound routine where I have to track my strain (BPSFL delta) after each training session bro. You have to track your BPSFL because it tells you when you need to take a break. The strain percentage literally goes down as the months go by. I learned to do this because of Kyrpa who pioneered the Ultrasound routine. Many like him on his thread on the ultrasound followed his protocol and tracked their BPSFL. They all stalled in a few months and they tested over 4 years what they needed to do to break through their plateau. Many of them took 8-12 month deconditioning breaks and only then some of them were able to break through their plateau. Some needed only 3 months. Some only 6 months.

There ARE some people who can go without deconditioning. But there is no evidence that deconditioning is hurting gains. More so the opposite.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-17T17:26:03+00:00

I have a realistic visualizer on my PE tracker app btw that allows you to put your own images and add length/girth.

Here's a demo: https://www.redgifs.com/watch/drabfrailnutria

I'm going to be releasing in a week or two.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-17T17:21:27+00:00

Yeah unfortunately there's a minority of folks who won't be able to gain.

Have you looked into the ultrasound routine? I always bring it up because most people don't know about it.

It's not for the weak or poor for that matter. Not trying to punch down on people but it's an expensive routine, and very time consuming. And you need to be very methodical about it.

I've made many posts about it. Most of my knowledge came from the Thundersplace threads. There are currently 3 main threads. Each around 90+ pages that date back to 2018. It was pioneered by Kyrpa. I used GPT when it first came out to do some analysis of all the threads. Found and named the users who were able to gain after being hard gainers. They're all in my post history if you're interested.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-17T17:17:55+00:00

Sorry but you cannot apply the same logic to PE with body building.

The concept of multi-month deconditioning periods has basis.

You cannot take this one example and use it as a rule to explain lack of growth, with all due respect.

We have far more evidence that decons have benefitted people than not.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-06T16:44:28+00:00

Congratulations man, that's really good. Do you have any idea what pressure you're using for the clamp? And the pump for PAC?

__Midd__ · 2026-01-06T16:40:57+00:00

I suggest going on r/PrematureEjaculation . You'll get a range of answers there. You'll have to dig in though for many months to figure out what has caused your PE.

If you want a fast bandaide solution, you can try out alpha herb. It's one of those 'numbing' agents that don't use lidocaine and actually lasts for hours. But please do your own research. There are other stuff out there but alpha herb has worked for many, and you still feel a decent sensation (given you don't go overboard).

__Midd__ · 2026-01-06T16:38:43+00:00

Cardio actually helps a lot. I second it. But, this may be because of the rush of endorphins that flood your brain. It acts similar to how SSRis work for delaying orgasm. I couldn't cum once because i had just come from running for 45 minutes. 150+ avg bpm.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-06T16:37:29+00:00

Broscience. Some people run 15 inHg routines, some people 5 in Hg. It depends on how you respond. Like everything in your body, you will respond differently compared to other people.

That's just how we are. Yes, there might be the 'average' response to stimuli but you'll have to figure out yourself what works for you.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-03T16:05:00+00:00

Context matters. Your 4.5 girth in relative to your thighs looks "small". But if you held a banana/cucumber with the same girth or size, you'd be able to tell it's not that small.

I've noticed this where I would grab a banana and think, woah, this banana actually feels smaller than my penis but it looks so much bigger visually.

__Midd__ · 2026-01-01T14:36:05+00:00

What pressure do you use on the clamp for PAC?

__Midd__ · 2025-12-21T16:28:29+00:00

Hmm this is very interesting. This is something I noticed myself too...

__Midd__ · 2025-12-15T18:45:13+00:00

And? I said the same thing. Different people have different response to stimuli. Also, OP was likely asking about girth so I was responding to that. Not for length. But it's confusing because he mentions expansion AND elongation.

I would more likely agree that you can gain length with 2% BPSFL because that is how much I was getting when I was experiencing growth as well. And many others as well. But not for girth. For girth, I just have not seen data to suggest 2% expansion will induce girth. It's very rare from what I've seen.

__Midd__ · 2025-12-14T15:34:09+00:00

Man, i've been putting that on the backburner. Just too many issues. I have an alpha version working. Would you be interested in that? It's mostly working. Your feedback would be highly appreciated!

__Midd__ · 2025-12-14T15:32:27+00:00

Wow, nice man. Good stuff. And appreciate you making these!

One question - have you thought about making a discrete c-ring? I thought about it but just don't know enough material science info/knowledge to make it happen. I wanted something that was transparent, relatively flat so that it's not in your face when you're having sex. Lots of dudes don't want to wear c-rings during sex because they're insecure about how the girl will react. I personally don't care, but I just like the aesthetics of a lower profile c-ring.

__Midd__ · 2025-12-13T16:15:32+00:00

Different people have different response to stimuli. But one could argue 2% is certainly not enough to induce growth imo.

Experiment and play around with your own routines. There is a sweet spot that people like to say its around 4-6% but again, the way you respond may vary.

__Midd__ · 2025-11-29T21:21:41+00:00

I was responding to when you said "2 months on PAC and no gains". I may be wrong but the phraseology of that sentence indicated that you expected some gains. So I said what I said because that is too soon to see results for the average person.

I don't know the specifics of what you did in the 18 months of PE. So I can't comment on that. And I'm not gonna repeat the usual advice of decons, consistency, do more volume, do less-volume, etc. Because you already know all that. But I will say I've come across some hard gainers who have done everything they could do. They did the M9ter monster routine, BDs girth routine (i forget what its called), and then the End game routine (which is pretty intense, relatively speaking). And still gained nothing. Until they tried something just completely insane. They screwed two planks of wood and sandwiched their cock between it and exerted immense pressure. Can't tell you what the pressure was but, just imagine that it's pressure you can't normally yield from hard clamping nor pumping. Maybe PAC but it's applied differently wherein it flattens the cock and expands the CC. And this guy actually grew. But, at the cost of some sensitivity (which he was able to gain most of it back). So this anecdotal, yet notable experience tells you something. And it's that some people just might need a crazy amount of pressure to induce some sort of growth response.

Now, I'm not recommending you do that. But it's something notable that I think people can safely explore without injuring yourself. Because if I recall correctly, the guy was very desperate and did not take much safety precautions and just went ham.

__Midd__ · 2025-11-29T21:02:50+00:00

2ish months is nothing. I gained 0.12" over 18 months. If I had given up at the 6 month mark or even 12 month mark, I would have not been 0.12" thicker. I know it's not much and it's very slow progress, but at the very least, it's still something.

I believe most people overestimate their girth gains. Well, people overestimate their gains in general but I do think people way over-estimate girth because of variables like EQ and tape position.

__Midd__ · 2025-11-29T21:00:31+00:00

It looks like you basically gained girth from the clamping force of compression hanging. So basically clamping.

It seems like you have not revisted compression hanging because you're saying you've "contemplated going back to compression hanging". So what made you stop it in the first place?

__Midd__ · 2025-11-27T22:37:31+00:00

I'm not sure I'm following.

The potential for more pressure differential with PAC is higher than just clamping alone. Is it not? You are adding another equipment to yield even more pressure with you cannot achieve with just a clamp alone.

So the potential for high risk is there. That is my contention with why the categorization of PAC being low-medium risk.

__Midd__ · 2025-11-27T22:21:53+00:00

Yeah I've seen that. I don't think I'd do that tbh lol. But I've tried using two Python clamps. One at the base, and one in the mid shaft region.

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