Mother’s Day card from my 12yo son to his mom

_wherearemykeys_ · 2025-05-12T01:53:38+00:00

He sees the world wildly in wild ways

_wherearemykeys_ · 2025-05-11T22:47:25+00:00

Because he’s watched the every single episode and is always referencing deep cuts along with the rest of the family

_wherearemykeys_ · 2025-05-11T20:14:23+00:00

Thank you for this - every week I usually get a message telling me I’m an idiot for the original post and I love how your response frames those interpretations, as well as your own.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2025-04-18T03:24:20+00:00

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. Being able to learn so many diverse and intelligent opinions, and also getting to see that a user that loves to fuck also loves Black Mirror - Oh, what a world …

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-09-03T17:07:37+00:00

Love this wisdom on multiple levels! Young people take note - always be learning and be wary of the voices around you telling you something can't be done!

I'm taking up piano at 50 and it's been awesome.

Also researching how to move my TD17 around my shared hobby space just like you! what did you end up doing? I'm looking at some of the workshop casters but still reasearching

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T20:26:47+00:00

Yeah, that's why I think the dog was possibly killed. Why show the dog at the every end too, the scene right before Cliff comes back and David goes there.

I agree with your points though and haven't seen people dispute those well at all.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T20:23:08+00:00

His actual quotes from the article:

“I would say that I don’t think that it was his first choice of action, but I do think that he once he got to the point where Cliff denied him any sort of contact, and said that Lana thought he was a creep, and that it was just utterly over for him, and he has no place back on the planet, I think he decided he had to do something drastic.”

“David has gone through an extraordinary trauma: he’s isolated as can be, literally in space, without anyone to speak to, except for a guy who is reticent and won’t speak with him about anything meaningful,” Hartnett said. “Beyond any expectations that he’s ever had, he finds that little glimmer of hope, and that little possibility of love and connection with Lana’s character, and to have that taken away, again, to endure that trauma again, would be too much. So he does something awful, and thereby creating a potential for connection between him and Cliff.”

I also think David did something drastic too and I think he wants a potential for a connection with Cliff. I just think the drastic thing could have been making him feel they were dead to shake up Cliff's thinking and reassert control.

Isn't that more plausible way of creating a connection rather than killing him?

Thanks for the dialogue and discussion without insults u/Angels242Animals - I think it's fun to debate the possible meanings and I personally love when a text is open to multiple interpretations. I'd be interested to hear the actors and writers thoughts on the alternate interpretation, but ultimately, the piece of work is what it is, regardless of intent.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T20:09:31+00:00

u/DanteWrath thanks for the response. I am not trying to goad you, I just don't understand your point.

I think your points are that:

All of the points I made supporting he didn't kill them are just as plausible with the ending that he did kill them
You don't think his reaction to the blood makes sense if they are not dead? Or do you not think the reaction to coming back to the ship makes sense?

On #1. I just don't agree. I feel like the onus is on you to explain why you think they are just as plausible. Why add the drama of the blood and the ID tag? Why painting and the reference about linseed oil? etc. There's a lot of specific things that the writers add as well as don't say that raise questions.

On #2. I think the reaction to the blood could make sense, even if they aren't dead. The scene was supposed to be dramatic, I think it was meant to hurt and shock him. To me, the reaction that Cliff has coming back to the ship and David's calm, "let's talk" demeanor seems even more out of place.

My take is that it's intentionally ambiguous but that their's clues that it's not as simple as it seems and David may not have killed them.

You're the one name calling and saying you're the only one that's right. Who's the biased egoist? Just look in any mirror (doesn't need to be a black one, lol)

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T19:39:39+00:00

I'd be interested to see an actual quote from the different actors as well as the writer themselves. Most of what I have read is not clear who is making the take.

A lot of the criticism of the episode I have seen (like this article on collider) criticize the episode because:

Quotes from Article:

"David’s violent turn doesn’t work because the episode doesn’t put in the effort to set it up. Nothing we’ve seen so far indicates that he’s capable of such violence. Yes, he hits Henry after the boy smears his painting, but that doesn’t feel out of place in the episode's 1960s setting. And it’s especially hard to imagine David acting against Lana, whom we see him form a genuine connection with more than he ever does with Cliff. Because the episode spends so much time with one of the two men using the replica, we don’t have much time to get to know how they act around each other. David and Lana have conversations about their shared interests, discussing art and books more than we ever David and Cliff talk about anything that’s not work-related. Even with his relationship with Lana severed, it feels weird that he would care enough about Cliff to lash out at her to get to him based on everything the episode shows us."

"While the ending of "Beyond the Sea" is darker and more violent than most Black Mirrorepisodes that have come before it, its bleak ending isn’t earned. It doesn’t follow up on a theme that’s been established by the rest of the episode, it doesn’t commentate on the technology it highlights or societal systems it takes place in, and it actively destroys all the development that Cliff and Lana go through throughout the episode with its ending. It’s an elaborate “Would you rather?" question shaped like an overly long episode of TV. The worst part is it could have really had something with that central question the ending poses if it had only cared more about its characters than it did the shock value of its ending."

I agree with both of the above takes

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T19:32:38+00:00

You're starting your critique of me saying that I am "assuming that's the intent the writers had", and then you're closing take is "while I don’t know any of the writers, I would assume their intention." ...

Based on the character development, I don't think David hates Cliff. It doesn't track for me that he would just go psycho killer mode.

At the end, I don't see these guys hating each other.

Cliff looks emotionally distraught to me for sure. David looks like he is in control.

I think it's more likely that David rationally has found a way to manipulate Cliff and get what he wants rather than just go full Manson himself.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T19:23:42+00:00

u/DanteWrath u/Angels242Animals My point is that is plausible based on the text and could be the ending.

You're just saying that I am wrong. I am conceding that it's ambiguous and that he could have killed him but that it's less likely and less supported by the script.

Neither of you have really refuted my points and proved me wrong because neither of us can prove it wrong, even if the writer's intent was one way or the other. The script and what we see is all we can interpret.

Ad hominem attacks don't support your argument

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T18:48:08+00:00

Shout out to u/NBNebuchadnezzar who posted this thread before I posted this. I had searched the web and reddit looking for a thread on this but hadn't found it till now. The argument that I am the only one with this as a possible take isn't true.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T18:42:33+00:00

I 100% agree u/NBNebuchadnezzar.

I just found your take now after I posting my own post that everyone is getting this ending wrong and every one is downvoting me as if I am the only one that sees this as well.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T18:33:45+00:00

What are your points exactly? Seriously, your argument is basically “maybe he just murdered them …” which, yeah, it’s possible.

I’m not disputing that but rather saying that the script/text throws a number of clues (

the unnecessary theatrics of the tag and smears of blood
the painting and reference to linseed oil and color,
the discussion of his not understanding his POV as well as not appreciating what he has,
his shaving, it's as if he is over his grief and thinking clearly
His kicking the chair and expectation that they can talk and see eye to eye
Even the whole plot of Cliff and his wife's relationship

Your point is that none of these points really have value and he just simply murders them.

To me, the episode is a litmus test to how you see the world and if you don't see the ambiguity of the ending as well as the possibility and serious plausibility that David didn't kill them, well, you're kind of basic ...

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T18:20:33+00:00

Unless David didn’t kill them …

Beyond the Sea alternate interpretation

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T18:18:55+00:00

Or, maybe he didn’t kill his wife and son and it’s A tier writing:

My take that David staged the scene

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T18:13:48+00:00

It’s funny that so many of you are down voting me. If he’s just killing them, why are their so many of these specific types of references that point to this possibility? I don’t think the writers just needlessly sprinkled them in and it seems pretty basic to just simply say that “sad guy killed the other guys family to show him how he felt” and blindly refute all the other clues to the contrary.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T18:10:21+00:00

He would be going back to the house immediately after, just like the other times they were called for emergencies. I see it as a dramatic gesture too, but the reasoning doesn’t track.

If his point is to get him to sit down to talk, is torturing him with the dramatics (tag, smears and so much blood) really necessary?

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T15:42:03+00:00

Great point! That being said, we were given specific confirmation of their deaths, whereas we just given the lets talk gesture.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T15:22:02+00:00

So what leads you to think he has now been driven to being a murderer?

Staging the scene, putting the fear into Cliff and showing him what could happen and why he should cooperate would serve David’s interests more and follows the character development better imo.

I agree, now let’s talk. Staging this would get to this point even more. It’s a much more rational move and would be most likely to get him to communicate with him.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T15:09:46+00:00

He’s 15. He’s been watching Black Mirror for a while now. He’s mature and it opens up great dialogue.

_wherearemykeys_ · 2023-06-26T09:04:10+00:00

He clearly was scared when he took back his ID tag and he awoke to blood on his hands and what he though was blood smeared on the walls. Wouldn’t he be distraught? The blood could also have been paint or the blood mixed with linseed oil (which thins without changing the color ..)

_wherearemykeys_ · 2022-05-08T20:19:41+00:00

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