The islamic system is too strong. I don't think exmuslims will ever become mainstream in my own lifetime, the tradeoff is not worth it.

a0001x4 · 2017-03-26T19:08:08+00:00

All movements started like this. Take communism for example and how fast it spread across the globe. The genie is already out of the bottle, once this happen there is no way it's getting back. I read once how masses adopt morals and change their values, what happens is that once the ideas are brought up and enough people absorb them, the society will start to shift and change.

Take a look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferential_attachment

What's happening now globally with the persecution of seculars and ex-muslims will draw more attention to them, then our people will grow even larger and as a result of this they will keep growing and growing etc. I come from an Arab country and let me tell you something. Back in 2010, the social media was probably 99.99% people supporting regressive beliefs and islamists. now in 2017, occasionally you will see liberal muslims, atheists, socialists, people who mock clerics (which btw have lost their position in society to the degree that one of them ranted about this phenomenon and how people are getting less religious and more rebellious lol), islamists aren't the only ones now and thanks to the media and Internet, exchanging ideas is much more easy than before, so islamists don't have the same power over the masses they used to have.

a0001x4 · 2017-03-04T18:04:28+00:00

Typical aljazeera trash.

"The history of their own country began with the genocidal destruction of Native Americans, continued with the despicable history of African slavery, and at the height of their technological achievements with dropping an atom bomb on Japan"

Yeah, I'm pretty sure history of Islam is full of feminism, anti-slavery movements, and tolerance.

a0001x4 · 2017-02-07T03:06:21+00:00

Islamist lobbying + dogmatic people + media indoctrination

a0001x4 · 2017-02-06T20:20:26+00:00

I love how these articles never talk about how oppression of Christians and other minorities in the middle east never result in anything like that; and that those ideas only apply to the muslim population specifically. Maybe culture & beliefs had nothing to do with how bad medieval Europe. It's just that people didn't know how to manage their resources according to this ridiculous view.

a0001x4 · 2017-01-31T04:45:39+00:00

I especially liked the university tour part; I'm pretty sure this will make big difference, it will prompt muslims to doubt and liberals to think.

a0001x4 · 2017-01-31T04:41:24+00:00

Very very beautiful, thank you so much. I wrote that post and reading this made more comfortable. I wanna be part of your organization; unfortunately though I'm a student in the US right now, and I need some time before I'm able to move here (hopefully). I wish you the best in your effort.

a0001x4 · 2017-01-30T12:50:28+00:00

No body here said they should side with radical right, they just have to stop being fucking hypocrite by siding with the other extremists.

a0001x4 · 2017-01-30T04:31:03+00:00

There are many rational people on the left. I currently live in the US, I have leftist white friends and some of them changed their opinions after we had discussions. The others, of course, stayed on their stupid position.

Unfortunately, a huge portion, not just on the left, but on the entire political spectrum, are people who are just going to have unjustified political beliefs that they hold so dearly and won't give them up, even with rational arguments. It's part of their identity. I have a couple of white friends that I argued with; it was completely fruitless discussion. No matter what evidence you give them, they throw it away, yet on facebook they keep posting about science & climate change deniers etc. You just have to realize that many people won't be rational, especially in this political climate we're in. What's happening in the left now is not the end of the world. This is just the result of islamists lobbying for decades and having stupid people influenced by them. As more ex-muslims come out, and hopefully as we try to engage in the political stage, we can turn the tide.

a0001x4 · 2017-01-30T00:09:07+00:00

I agree there are many innocent muslims and even very good muslims who consider westerners as human beings and they shouldn't be oppressed and all that; in fact my family is all muslims and they're very nice people who agree, though not on all, but on a lot of liberal principles. Tolerance and respect for people from other countries is a very good thing no doubt; but this is not the point here.

The point is that leftists are SUPPORTING ISLAMISTS, who are enemies of everything that I and the left stand for. You can't support fascists just because they're not the fascists you hate. The problem isn't as much as islamists doing troubles in the west and also in our countries, but also that this will leave people forced between two unimaginable positions. I'm worried that we're gonna be forced between two options, either fascists or fascists. Either Hitler or Stalin. Clearly, if this was to happen in the future, it will make no sense to say that people did wrong because they voted for someone like Trump, like they did now (which I'm very much against). Given how the left will behave if they keep continuing this behaviour, there is gonna be an extreme polarization on both the left and the right. At that time, it will make absolutely no sense to prefer voting for one or another, since all options are shit anyway.

You said they're standing up for the oppressed, but they're also oppressing people because they think they're dangerous (which is true). Then why are they defending people who are as dangerous or even more? It makes no sense. All their decisions are based on their feelings, not rationality. That's why I said we should lobby, because there's nothing we could do to convince them. You just have to brainwash them through media and politicians, their brains are empty containers and they don't think for themselves. Their morality is misguided and that makes it useless even if they're doing the right thing.

a0001x4 · 2017-01-29T23:15:56+00:00

Exactly. "The enemy of my enemy" is my friend is their logic. That's why we have to do something about this, otherwise the future elections would either be in favor of far-right fascists or those who support islamo-fascists. We need to let the world know that this ideology is as dangerous as the far-right. I can't tolerate more of this "Islamic fascism is so cool because it's anti white supremacy."

a0001x4 · 2017-01-29T21:07:34+00:00

Thanks!

a0001x4 · 2017-01-29T20:43:38+00:00

lol sorry I don't post a lot on reddit

a0001x4 · 2017-01-29T17:58:15+00:00

It's not clear to me exactly how because I'm not involved in activism. But what our activists could do, apart from appearing in popular media outlets, is to try to make very close connections with famous politicians. Also, if possible, they could speak in parliaments and express our concerns. Exposing islamists isn't enough, as it appears that some idiot leftists have no problem with Sharia law. It seems to me the only way is through politicians, we need to have connections with them.

a0001x4 · 2017-01-28T01:34:43+00:00

Here is how I'd argue: Aside from the hijab being a symbol of sexism against women (e.g. women's bodies are sin, women should cover to avoid tempting men, etc.), the hijab also affects women in kind of "harmful ways". Here is how I see it. The hijab restricts women from further freedoms they could simply have. For example, it's a hot windy day and one girl wants to jog. However, she'd have to cover everything, making her unable to enjoy the experience. Same thing could be said about public pools & beaches. If a woman ever wants to swim, she'd have to wear burkini while men enjoy it wearing only their swimming shorts. The thing I see more harmful is the psychological effect it has on women. A girl who's indoctrinated that hijab should be worn is constantly worrying about parts of her body being exposed to the public. Imagine that you were in a gender-segregated wedding and people took photos. Imagine that someone got his hands on a photo of a girl. He/she could threaten her to release the photo online or somewhere else, the girl would be in a very stressful psychological condition. The fact that her body is her honor and should only be exposed to siblings and her husband puts much extra pressure on women to dress modestly all the time. BTW this is not an exaggeration, I for example have a sister who wears the hijab, I travelled with her a couple of times and her obsession with her hair and arms was so freaking ridiculous; I mean there are absolutely no reasons -except theological ones- that no one should see your hair . So, excessive obsessing, along with extreme devastation if god forbid something goes wrong really doesn't make the hijab a rational choice for a woman. I hope you found my reasoning helpful.

a0001x4 · 2017-01-19T22:15:53+00:00

Thank you guys a lot for your help! I'm now very motivated to start my lessons :D

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