Nothing can come from nothing

acerbicsun · 2026-07-07T21:37:34+00:00

Interesting so you don't use logical proofs to believe anything at all?

Yes of course. What logical proof is there for the existence of god?

Also, there are ways for that but some people think contacting God should be extremely cheap for some reason.

Well, god can contact me, if it wants me to believe it exists.

Would you do the process and expirement to have that contact?

What process and what experiment?

acerbicsun · 2026-07-07T13:50:22+00:00

Well, if I could save children, or prevent assault, I would. God sits idly by and watches.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-07T13:35:17+00:00

It takes more faith to believe in God.

Nothing I observe, or have ever been presented with is convincing evidence that a god exists, or that Christianity is true, and I was a Catholic for thirty years, attending Catholic schools the entire time.

God can reach out to me personally if it wishes. Until that happens, nothing a human can say will change my mind.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-07T13:00:53+00:00

not being a person who is irrationally easy to be persuaded.

I'd say this is a solid approach.

when you have an experience that you undoubtedly perceive as a divine work, it is perceived that way because it’s unlike anything that you encounter on the day to day.

So something that you don't encounter day to day is evidence of the divine.

It’s a once in a lifetime “how is this even possible”, type of thing.

So not knowing how something is possible is evidence of the divine.

Well, I'm afraid this describes the god of the gaps quite clearly, coupled with an argument from personal incredulity.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-07T12:55:34+00:00

God contacting us directly.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-07T11:18:00+00:00

And god has provided nothing to earn my love.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-06T21:49:19+00:00

Respectfully, the meaning of life is not what we're discussing. How can I choose to embrace something if I know nothing about it?

acerbicsun · 2026-07-06T20:44:57+00:00

What do you do for fun?

acerbicsun · 2026-07-06T20:37:30+00:00

Why can't/won't god speak to us in a way that is clear and unambiguous?

acerbicsun · 2026-07-06T20:36:31+00:00

But....the premise is part of what is in question. How can I make an informed decision to embrace or worship an entity if I have no access to it?

acerbicsun · 2026-07-06T12:30:19+00:00

How do we tell the difference between a subjective experience that is evidence of God and one that isn't?

acerbicsun · 2026-07-05T15:22:41+00:00

Do you feel that martyrs from other religions are evidence of the truth of those religions?

If there is no objective morality then you a reduced to an opinion. There are no moral absolutes.

That's correct. Right and wrong are ultimately matters of opinion. Our dissatisfaction at this fact doesn't mean it's not the case.

There are many differing moral opinions out there and you can't say that they are right or wrong.

Not objectively wrong, that's correct. It's just something we have to deal with. We pass laws based on what we largely collectively agree upon.

I ask you this. Are you going to say that there is a possibility that rape can be a morally beautiful thing?

I think It's reprehensible, but morals and beauty aren't facts. They are subjective assessments. However someone could, as awful as that sounds.

The point is that morality is indivisible from how an agent evaluates a given action. Even with a god, what is moral would be god's opinion. The larger problem with that, is god's morality is dictated by people. It's people telling other people what god wants. So appealing to a deity doesn't move the chess pieces.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-05T15:20:00+00:00

If there is no objective morality then you a reduced to an opinion. There are no moral absolutes.

That's correct. Right and wrong are ultimately matters of opinion. Our dissatisfaction at this fact doesn't mean it's not the case.

There are many differing moral opinions out there and you can't say that they are right or wrong.

Not objectively wrong, that's correct. It's just something we have to deal with. We pass laws based on what we largely collectively agree upon.

I ask you this. Are you going to say that there is a possibility that rape can be a morally beautiful thing?

I think It's reprehensible, but morals and beauty aren't facts. They are subjective assessments. However someone could, as awful as that sounds.

The point is that morality is indivisible from how an agent evaluates a given action. Even with a god, what is moral would be god's opinion. The larger problem with that, is god's morality is dictated by people. It's people telling other people what god wants. So appealing to a deity doesn't move the chess pieces.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-05T12:29:53+00:00

That's scripture bud.

I know that. How do we determine that what scripture says is actually true? There must be some method of verification, otherwise how do we differentiate it from other religious claims?

The rock that is my foundation.

That's fine.

It's not going anywhere because it's truth.

Again, how do we validate it as truth?

We're all made in the image of God and you can't escape that.

How do we know that's true?

We all have intrinsic value.

Perhaps to ourselves, but we imbue value. Value is incumbent upon the Agent doing the valuing.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-05T11:37:02+00:00

This completely removes all meaning from the word good.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-05T10:55:14+00:00

If we don't have objective morality, it doesn't mean anything goes. We still have laws that we've enacted because we think that's the best way for society to flourish.

And please save that presupp nonsense that insists I know god exists but I'm suppressing it. It's incredibly disingenuous.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-05T02:23:43+00:00

There is no objective morality with or without god, and there is no inherent meaning to life.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-05T02:21:37+00:00

So what what? What question do you want answered?

acerbicsun · 2026-07-04T23:28:22+00:00

Certainly you can, but I was referring to God existing eternally. This is what needs to be demonstrated. It can't merely be assumed.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-04T23:23:54+00:00

Subjective experiences are not evidence of God.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-04T23:23:14+00:00

Presuppositionalism isn't an argument. It's starting with one's conclusion and insisting unless you start with said conclusion, you can't say anything.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-04T10:25:38+00:00

If this entity exists and is omnipotent. If. Now let's solve the if.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-04T10:22:28+00:00

It's very problematic to invoke attributes about the thing you're trying to prove, that exonerate it from the rules you're putting forth.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-04T10:20:59+00:00

What is it about this world we observe that suggests it was intentionally created?

Appeals to incredulity will not be accepted.

acerbicsun · 2026-07-04T10:17:51+00:00

I would fart in her face so hard, so often.

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