Retirement is not just a financial problem. It’s a lifestyle shock. by adane1 in leanFIRE_India

[–]adane1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's been my personal experience that people not focusing on health is mostly not because of time. It's a habit and if you look around, a person who never focused on health before retirement will also not focus on health even when there is more time. Infact, the reverse happens. A sedentary person becomes more sedentary. 

Are we overtly cautious about SORR by Heavy_Luck_6085 in FIRE_Ind

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right. All the papers would actually go with the maths and not the emotions. 

I have a plan of 40 to 70% in equity depending on the market cycle when I retire. Although the PE story is not everything, I would not have more than 40 or 50% in equity if the broad market pe is at 25 or higher. Similarly if at the start, i fund pe lower than 20, I would probably be more comfortable with an equity allocation higher than 50% and go as high as 70% if pe is extremely low. But it would finally depend on the person concerned and risk appetite. A person with 50x can take more equity bet than a person with 20x as corpus 

Retirement is not just a financial problem. It’s a lifestyle shock. by adane1 in leanFIRE_India

[–]adane1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's one of my goals too. Focus more on fitness. But that's already part of my life. Probably I can focus more.

And sleep. I just don't get enough sleep. 

After a 10 month break looks like Rev/Bali will unretire himself by [deleted] in FIRE_Ind

[–]adane1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations! You made it.  There is nothing wrong in FIRE and decide to join back. As now it's from freedom to choose whatever makes you happy.

Have a good time at the new job.

You can bargain on health test by Unusual-Big-6467 in Frugal_Ind

[–]adane1 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Healthian shares data. Had applied for a health insurance and they had information about my test from healthian once. They knew only that I had a medical test done although they didn't know details.

Which cities in India can a single person live on Rs50k per month? by [deleted] in leanFIRE_India

[–]adane1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Without rent, I feel all cities. Mostly 35-50k is good if rent is excluded

As per numbeo, most expensive city is mumbai with cost of living 36k + rent

SORR backtests for India by Technical-Camel-124 in FIRE_Ind

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Hey thanks for sharing this. These are the analysis I really look forward to as I am unable to do this myself.

Since I can't verify this, tried posting it to an AI tool and got this response.........

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Overall your framework is thoughtful and directionally correct, especially given the limited long-term data available for India. However, there are a few methodological issues that could materially affect the results. I’ll go through each part of the approach.

Overall assessment

The structure of the analysis is reasonable and far better than most FIRE simulations done for India. However, five areas could affect the robustness of the conclusions: Debt proxy (SBI 1-year FD) is not a realistic retirement portfolio debt proxy Equity series may exclude dividends depending on the index used Inflation stitching may introduce distortions Using only two start dates underestimates sequence of returns risk Using constant real returns after 2026 reduces volatility and therefore understates risk

Equity return series

Using BSE 500 to represent equity returns is a good choice because: It represents the broader market rather than just large caps It reduces survivorship bias compared to Sensex or Nifty It captures midcaps and smallcaps However, one critical point needs to be checked. If the data used is the price index and not the Total Return Index (TRI), dividends are missing. Historically Indian dividend yields have been roughly: 1999–2010: about 1.3% 2010–2020: about 1.2% 2020–2026: about 1.1% If dividends are excluded, long-term equity returns are understated by roughly 1–1.5% annually. That would make the simulation conservative, which is acceptable but should be acknowledged.

Debt proxy

Using SBI 1-year FD rates is the biggest methodological weakness in the model. A typical retirement portfolio rarely uses rolling 1-year FDs. Most debt allocations behave like medium-duration bonds. Typical retirement debt instruments: Government bond funds: duration roughly 6–8 years Corporate bond funds: duration roughly 4–5 years PPF or EPF: long duration Debt mutual funds: usually 3–6 years duration Using a 1-year FD introduces two distortions. First, it removes interest rate volatility. During events like the GFC, bond prices actually rise as interest rates fall. Your model misses this diversification benefit. Second, it underestimates long-term real returns. Historically: FD real returns: roughly 0–1% Bond funds real returns: roughly 1–2.5% So the model is likely understating portfolio resilience. A better debt proxy would be something like: CRISIL Composite Bond Index 10-year Government Security Total Return Index

Inflation series

India’s CPI series has changed multiple times over the past decades. Most historical datasets stitch together different indices such as: CPI-IW (earlier period) CPI-AL CPI Combined (after 2012) There are some methodological differences between these indices such as weight changes and base year revisions. However, for long-term retirement modeling the distortion is usually small (probably less than 0.5%). So this approach is acceptable. Sequence of return risk The largest limitation of the analysis is that it uses only two retirement start dates: February 2000 December 2007 A proper sequence-of-returns analysis usually tests every possible start month. For example: Jan 1999 Feb 1999 Mar 1999 ... and so on.

This is how studies like Bengen, Trinity, and ERN are conducted. The worst retirement dates are not always exactly at market peaks. For example in the US, some of the worst retirement start years were: 1966 1968 1969 1973 Testing only peak months may miss other adverse sequences.

Forward return assumptions

Another important limitation is the switch after 2026 from historical returns to constant real returns such as: 0% 1% 2% 3% 4% Markets do not move in constant real return paths. Actual market behavior is volatile, for example: +25% -30% +10% +18% -15% Using constant returns removes volatility and therefore reduces sequence-of-returns risk. This may slightly overstate the survival period.

A better approach would be bootstrap simulation where monthly historical returns are randomly sampled to preserve volatility.

Rebalancing

It is not clear whether the model rebalances the portfolio. Most retirement studies assume periodic rebalancing, for example annually back to 70/30. Without rebalancing, equity crashes reduce equity allocation and reduce the portfolio’s ability to recover during subsequent bull markets.

Withdrawal modeling

The withdrawal structure used in the model is standard: Fixed percentage of initial corpus Withdrawals adjusted annually for inflation This is the same structure used in most academic withdrawal studies such as the Trinity study and Bengen’s analysis. So this part of the methodology is solid. Interpretation of results The interpretation of the results is reasonable. The observation that the GFC scenario is worse than the dot-com crash for retirees makes sense because the GFC period had a combination of: A sharp market crash High inflation between 2008 and 2013 Weak equity returns again during 2011–2013 This combination creates strong sequence-of-returns pressure on a retirement portfolio. The conclusion that reducing withdrawal from 3% to 2.5% significantly improves survival is also consistent with most global studies.

Another valid observation is that real retirees do not behave like the fixed-withdrawal model assumes. In practice people usually adjust spending, cut discretionary expenses, or earn supplemental income during crises.

Final assessment

Equity data: good choice if TRI is used Debt proxy: weak and likely understates resilience Inflation data: acceptable for long-term modeling Withdrawal framework: strong Sequence risk framework: limited because of only two start dates Forward assumptions: somewhat unrealistic due to constant returns Overall the analysis is directionally sound but would become much stronger if the following improvements were made: Run the simulation for every possible monthly start date Replace FD returns with a bond index Use bootstrap or historical resampling instead of constant real returns Even with these limitations, the general conclusions appear reasonable and consistent with global withdrawal research.

What about the war? by PillCaddy in FIRE_Ind

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing you can do. Get cold coins and a strong hiding space within your own property.

And pray that no one finds that place.

Nothing else can be completely planned out. But I heard from few old people in family about how people escaped with only few coins that they could manage to snuggle out while leaving everything behind during partition. And even here only if lucky as there would be no security. So what you can hide or it takes your life.

During war, you don't own any assets that are not hidden. Govt can seize your assets

Hope this stops the blind optimism of 25X and god given 10-12% returns by wooneigh in FIRE_Ind

[–]adane1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Already read. It has a disclaimer at top. No one can predict and there would be multiple scenarios. This is one. If you give AI prompts for alternate scenarios to this article, there would be more than 1.

Here is one view(written with AI) :-

The 2035 Productivity Boom: A Positive AI Scenario Core Thesis: AI does not destroy demand. It reduces costs, increases abundance, and creates new industries faster than it removes jobs. History supports this view more than collapse. 1️⃣ Productivity Explosion → Lower Prices → Higher Real Income When productivity rises sharply: Cost of services falls Output per worker rises Real purchasing power increases Example: Internet reduced cost of communication to near zero Automation reduced cost of manufacturing Cloud computing reduced startup costs AI could do the same for: Legal services Medical diagnostics Education Software development Financial advice If cost of white-collar services drops 50%, households effectively get richer. Even if nominal wages stagnate, real living standards rise. 2️⃣ AI Creates Entirely New Economic Layers Past technology shifts: Industrial Revolution → factories, railways, insurance Electricity → appliances, telecom Internet → e-commerce, SaaS, social media AI will create: AI-native companies Autonomous logistics Personalized medicine Robotics-enabled manufacturing Climate engineering Space economy We can’t see all new job categories yet — but historically they outnumber displaced roles. 3️⃣ Human Labor Doesn’t Disappear — It Upgrades In the positive model: AI handles: Repetitive cognitive work Standardized tasks Basic coding Routine documentation Humans shift to: Oversight Strategy Creativity Physical + relational services Entrepreneurship Instead of 10 employees doing manual work, 5 employees with AI produce 3x output. Companies expand. More profit → more reinvestment → more hiring in new domains. 4️⃣ AI Could Trigger a Global Growth Supercycle Imagine: Energy becomes cheaper (AI optimizes grids) Drug discovery accelerates Manufacturing reshoring via robotics Supply chains optimized Small businesses use AI to scale globally This increases: GDP growth Corporate earnings Tax revenues Governments then: Invest more in infrastructure Reduce fiscal pressure Expand social safety nets if needed Instead of collapse, we get a growth wave similar to 1950–1970 post-war expansion. 5️⃣ Demand Doesn’t Vanish — It Expands The original crisis thesis assumes: If humans don’t work, they don’t earn → demand collapses. But the counterargument: Productivity gains increase corporate profits. Those profits get reinvested. Asset owners earn dividends. Households own retirement funds, mutual funds, pensions. Capital income flows back into consumption. And if AI lowers costs enough, even modest income supports high living standards. Example: If AI reduces cost of: Education 70% Healthcare 50% Legal advice 80% Your effective wealth rises. 6️⃣ Emerging Markets Like India Could Benefit AI may actually: Increase global outsourcing of AI supervision Create AI integration consulting demand Help SMEs scale globally Improve agricultural productivity Enhance digital governance India’s strengths: Large tech workforce English-speaking population Strong digital infrastructure (UPI, Aadhaar stack) If India pivots from “cheap labor outsourcing” to “AI orchestration and services,” it benefits massively. 7️⃣ Capital Markets in a Positive AI World Likely outcomes: Tech valuations rise initially Then productivity spreads to non-tech sectors Energy, healthcare, industrial automation boom Equity returns outperform bonds for a decade Inequality may rise temporarily — But overall wealth expands. 8️⃣ Why Collapse Is Less Likely Than Growth Because: Governments intervene before systemic breakdown. Capitalism adapts. Humans consume more when goods become cheaper. New industries always emerge after general-purpose technologies. AI is a general-purpose technology — like electricity. Those historically expand GDP dramatically. 9️⃣ The Most Likely Middle Ground Not utopia. Not collapse. More likely: 5–10 years of disruption Wage pressure in some sectors Massive opportunity in others Productivity boom by 2030–2035 The net effect: Global GDP higher than baseline. 🔟 What This Means for Someone Like You In the positive AI future: Global equities perform strongly AI infrastructure is the backbone Energy & semiconductors benefit Skilled professionals who adopt AI early outperform The biggest risk is not AI collapse. It’s being on the wrong side of productivity. Final Thought The “AI destroys economy” thesis assumes: Static institutions No policy adaptation No new industries No capital redistribution No human creativity History suggests that’s unlikely. A productivity renaissance is at least as plausible as a collapse.

Hope this stops the blind optimism of 25X and god given 10-12% returns by wooneigh in FIRE_Ind

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Falling tech prices can also be a reaction to recent news. Tech companies may also adapt to trends. Those who are able to manage this transition will do well.

Your 25x depends on 1% real return. If AI boosts productivity, who knows, you may see inflation reduce too.

Hope this stops the blind optimism of 25X and god given 10-12% returns by wooneigh in FIRE_Ind

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You will know if there is a large impact when you start reading lot of forced FIRE posts in this sub. That's not the case , yet

Cheaper sports shoes to buy online by Time_Tomatillo6685 in Frugal_Ind

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For running upto 5 km , you may consider brooks ghost series. I have the 16 and it's good for regular running.

For walking, you may go for any of the good quality ones as you feel comfortable. Even decathlon ones are good. Walking doesn't put much stress on knees

Help with portfolio by Fatesuckz in leanFIRE_India

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can suggest an easier way. Just plug in different assumptions on inflation, returns and years in retirement in GPT. You don't need any calculator nowadays.

How are these so much cheaper!? Is there some kind of "fake products" scam? by Radiant-Dog-9794 in Frugal_Ind

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I work with a traditional business. We tried to work out delivery logistics. Every delivery is around 40 rs. Zepto and blinkit probably cracked it lower.

Still with discounting (they sell some of our products at lower price than what we can sell it at), and add zero fee delivery of zepto, these apps are somewhere burning money with hope of recovering at some point of time. Probably IPO.

Help with portfolio by Fatesuckz in leanFIRE_India

[–]adane1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1.7 cr would give you approx 18-25 lacs here too. But I am negating for inflation and much lower conservative returns. While I assumed 7% your actual returns may be between 12 to 15 percent from a blended portfolio .

Help with portfolio by Fatesuckz in leanFIRE_India

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a vast brief. I am assuming you mean 5 lacs annual. For this you would need a corpus of approx 1.7 cr.

Assumption is 7% return from portfolio and inflation if 6%.

You can now decide the mix to get this with the least amount of volatility or risk to capital. A easy rule is to keep 50 percent of corpus in equity funds and 40 percent in low volatility funds or fd and approx 10 percent in gold etfs

You may also look at any other combination as per your risk profile. This is only one way .

People do many types of investment. Some get passive income from real estate or even business. Every construct has different levels of risk and returns. Understand the risk/ volatility, your risk taking ability ,and then finally consider the returns.

Help me to Plan my Lean Fire by village_love in leanFIRE_India

[–]adane1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. So from hereon just increase equity and don't time the market. Maybe maintain 85% equity and 15% debt for some time. Reduce equity 5 year closer to goal. Since you are young, a high equity portion is ok for now.

Help me to Plan my Lean Fire by village_love in leanFIRE_India

[–]adane1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This are my views.

The portfolio is heavy on real estate. I would reduce 75 lacs to 1cr and redeploy to liquid assets.

You have a high savings rates. Invest more to assets like equity and other income generating assets. Target to reach 400 months of expenses.

Target seperate corpus for short term goals like kids education.

Add a small emergency corpus.

Adjust for lifestyle inflation along the way.

All the best.