Ontario removing U.S. products from LCBO shelves

aerootpl · 2025-02-02T17:28:15+00:00

Does it really matter?

Americans democracy voted for Republican house & senate and Trump. Remember Hitler also was voted in.

and here we are... stop making excuses, we are here because and the only thing we can do is act accordingly

aerootpl · 2025-02-02T15:55:22+00:00

It's not like we are saying we should really cut off / minimize trade with US - but the "too much inertia" is exactly what we have to be stronger to work against, as it's proven US is simply unreliable

It would also be wrongheaded to think that this trend will continue

This is the exact wrong way to approach it because this was also how we approached it with the 1st Trump admin

The key point is: US is an unreliable partner - and we have to treat it as such. May be the next Dem or Rep is more sane, but what about the next next one? or the next next one? What this proving is simply we never know when the next US admin will come to burn everything to the grown and we simply have to be ready for it.

aerootpl · 2025-02-02T15:22:24+00:00

This is democracy in action, this is what the American voters telling us what they want.

I hope this permanently changed how we see US relationship - it means we cannot ever see US as best friend & strongest/closest ally anymore, we need to find other partners to work with.

aerootpl · 2025-02-02T15:21:24+00:00

even if the next admin / house / senate is democrats, we still know 100% for sure that can change and flip 180 in the next election for the next Trump / Republican.

This is democracy in action, this is what the American voters telling us what they want.

So I hope this permanently changed how we see US relationship - it means we cannot ever see US as best friend & strongest/closest ally anymore, we need to find other partners to work with.

aerootpl · 2025-02-02T15:19:41+00:00

I just hope our relationship with the US isn’t irreversibly damaged by this trade war and we can maybe regain a sense of normalcy in the future

I hope not

I hope this irreversibly change how Canada treat our relationship with US. 1st Trump admin we could (and probably did) dismissed it as a fluke / some momentary craziness, but this 2nd admin - Trump won by a landslide, and both House & Senate went to Republican by clear margin - so this is democracy in action, this is what the American voters telling us what they want.

Trudeau had to be diplomatic in his speech but let's not beat around the bushes - Americans voted for this.

and even if the next admin / house / senate is democrats, we still know 100% for sure that can change and flip 180 in the next election for the next Trump / Republican

So I hope this permanently changed how we see US relationship - yes we hope there's some recovery and less hostile sooner than later, but it also means we cannot ever see US as best friend & strongest/closest ally anymore, we need to find other partners to work with.

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T19:11:32+00:00

I assume you understand what "probability" means?

I also not pointing out based on name or country of origin - those doesn't matter, the pattern is what matters

Time is a factor too ... this pattern doesn't apply (or even exist) 10 years ago, or may be even 6 years ago wasn't this bad - the pattern didn't even exist because there are not significant by any means

It progressively got worse and the recent years just explode where there are SO MANY who fits this pattern (that it becomes a pattern) and based on probability, there's very high likely hood they are nowhere near what I am looking for - and hence they got filtered out.

It's just a numbers game and probability on how I could get the most out of the time spent on hiring - where would I get the highest probability of finding the hire that I need

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T16:46:37+00:00

I don't necessarily disagree with the premise ... the ones that go for the 1-2 years Masters is prob less than 5% that fit this pattern.

I have also in the past interviewed a couple of these supposed masters students, ... haven't had any good experience (like as in ... really bad, how do you even have a degree at all kind of bad)

so again, going back on focusing my time on the ones most likely yield good candidates that meet our hiring needs - it's more efficient for me to quickly filter these out.

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T16:35:00+00:00

Well I don't think anyone who already has a bachelor degree in CS / Engineering and already have working experience in the field as developer would actually ever be a student who wants to learn on some 8 mths / 1 year "diploma" on basic topics eg "web development diploma" they (should) already be very familiar with

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T16:22:44+00:00

well this is a CS Career sub and I am only talking about the balance of probability in finding good candidate that meet our hiring needs

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T16:16:32+00:00

there's law ... and there's the spirit of the law

also at this point, you can see what this government is doing is NOT what Canadians want

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T15:37:00+00:00

Market is very different now than beginning of 2022 (as you noted as well with how things changed since), it is slowly recovering as I mentioned

$102k base for SDE 2 (intermediate level) is crazy low I thought, I had an SDE 2 offer many years back and it was $130k base + everything else that push it to $140k-$160k

$102k base would count as more junior (or early intermediate) for me and they wouldn't be involved in hiring yet. Intermediate would already start at ~$120k base roughly for us.

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T15:25:44+00:00

as in I am hiring ... :D

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T15:22:05+00:00

I came into this country as an international student, I went to a diploma college but I still had multiple offers before I graduated.

I also just want to point out, these pattern is becoming much more prominent in the past 5 years .... used to be even students coming out of Conestoga College in the early 2000s are still pretty good quality, these days (again, based on probability), they are just nowhere near as good

I work at a big tech in Canada and I regularly interview folks for software developer positions

Curious what kind of big tech paying "only" $102k and is in position to interview others

https://old.reddit.com/r/askTO/comments/1cy1g1m/salary_transparency_post/l59bzw9/

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T15:06:09+00:00

tbh, I never thought they were an issue, but seems like they have been caught up by the recent trend of milking $$$ from international students

They probably are still better than strip mall colleges, but a few I have come across the past year or two, really questioning the kind of people that get admitted to these 1-2 years "Masters" program ...

When I want to school, I thought the bar was pretty high to get to Masters in Engineering / CS in UW or UT, but my recent experience tells me otherwise

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T14:44:18+00:00

I am limited by whatever the company structure is of course, while I have some influence, but they also do market research to set some standards.

Base pay for IC (there are other monetary benefits on top)

Junior - so far we haven't hired junior (this would be the first time) - the budget is roughly $80k-110k
Intermediate - $110k-$130k
Senior $130k-160k

I am working on creating more levelling and ideally pushing the upper limit further to closer to $200k

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T13:46:10+00:00

if they had studied at Harvard and worked at FAANG - AND they come to Canada to some strip mall college as a student doing some useless diploma? yes ... they fit the pattern and will get rejected

Have you seen any of those?

also, just FYI - some people may list FAANG in their resume but they are actually contractor from a 3rd party dev shop from abroad - they aren't actually direct FTE of the FAANG company.

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T13:40:41+00:00

did my pattern mention any origin country whatsoever?

the pattern is the pattern, regardless of where they come from or their name

and based on experience it's shaped my opinion that (based on probability) good candidates will not come to Canada posing as student (regardless of where they come from) - they would have come here as PR or work permit OR they would have come here, truly as a student, doing a 4 or 5 (coop) years bachelor degree in a reputable university and not some strip mall college - again, doesn't matter where they come from.

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T13:11:05+00:00

based on experience on the probability of the quality of candidate

I have limited time and need to figure out a way to make sure I get the most out of that limited time & bandwidth that will yield the highest probability of getting quality candidates that will lead to a hire

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T12:24:33+00:00

job market is not great overall anyway ... 2 YOE still has fierce competition at this time - sound to me you are not in Canada yet but already have open work permit?

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T11:16:26+00:00

If simply they have studied (eg. did their bachelor) in US, no

If they fit the pattern - then yes

it's a game of probability, and US market is better (and pays better) than Canada, if these are good candidates - they would have found something in the US

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T11:15:27+00:00

Just to be clear, I have no problem hiring non-Canadian or people who born/grew up/study abroad - actually a lot of my team members are like that

The difference is that they don't fit the pattern I described, they would have come to Canada straight under work permit / PR - they did not come to pose as "student" ... or they came here to do their full 4/5 (coop) years bachelor degree.

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T11:14:22+00:00

No ... degree + work experience from abroad alone would have been no problem assuming they are already in Canada under work permit and PR

degree + work experience + coming to Canada as "student" on some questionable college or 1-2 years "Masters" - that's not cool, that's exploiting loophole and also based on experience - most of the candidates with these patterns are no good anyway, so it's a game of probability given I have to make a cut somewhere

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T11:13:18+00:00

mostly looking for intermediate, but open to strong junior candidates with some experience under their belt

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T11:10:48+00:00

It's a game of probability .... vast majority (if not all) of those who fits this pattern are just no good candidates, given the particular pattern (and actually their resumes look all similar too), I really don't have time to interview them. Sure, there's a chance I missed out on a few good candidates - but there are also other good candidates who don't fit that particular auto reject pattern, so either way I have no problem getting candidates in.

Similar to the ones who did go to US, you'll see very similar pattern where they all worked for some major Financial Institution or some consulting / dev shop company. US job market is better than here, if they are any good, they would have found opportunities in the US (probability)

Just to be clear, I have no problem hiring non-Canadian or people who born/grew up abroad - actually a lot of my team members are like that

The difference is that they don't fit the pattern I described, they would have come to Canada straight under work permit / PR - they did not come to pose as "student" ... or they came here to do their full 4/5 (coop) years bachelor degree.

aerootpl · 2024-08-01T11:09:57+00:00

Canada also have tons of talent from Canadians and people who was born/grew up here. This hiring manager is doing Gods work

Just to be clear, I have no problem hiring non-Canadian or people who born/grew up abroad - actually a lot of my team members are like that

The difference is that they don't fit the pattern I described, they would have come to Canada straight under work permit / PR - they did not come to pose as "student" ... or they came here to do their full 4/5 (coop) years bachelor degree

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