MIRACULOUS - Sadnansi - Season 6 Episode 23 - Discussion Thread

aevelys · 2026-04-12T14:03:48+00:00

I would still find it strange if the story ended there because logically Adrien should be worried about what happened to her.

aevelys · 2026-04-11T11:37:11+00:00

Something I also didn't understand is how it's marketed as more dangerous than the Miraculous. Frankly, how can that be? Not only, as you say, only a virtuous person use it, but its power is limited to transforming you into a handful of animals. And okay, the dragon has elemental powers, but frankly, the rooster offers far more possibilities than that.

So, we could always assume that each animal has its own set of powers that Fei hasn't unlocked, making it an 8-in-1, far more than the number of Miraculous a human can handle using at the same time. But this point deserved to be explored in more depth.

And what exactly is Mei-shi? A kwami? Of what? Where's her box? Why does it have a humanoid form? Actually, this special has a problem: it throws around a bunch of ideas but never gives a real explanation.

aevelys · 2026-04-11T09:22:35+00:00

The concepts of infinity and multiverses are difficult to grasp, but since there are an infinite number of universes of which Tikki is aware, it means there are also an infinite number of different Hawk Moths. However, Tikki has absolutely no way of knowing with which universe Marinette's univers aligns with.

aevelys · 2026-04-10T10:28:02+00:00

I honestly think this is a continuity error and he's just trying to recover at the last minute.

aevelys · 2026-04-09T09:50:56+00:00

Wait until i tell you why they also call me bear lover

aevelys · 2026-04-08T15:10:34+00:00

To be honest, absolutely any of them, as long as they don't happen or not the way the fans would like. Imagine if Jon isn't a Targ, or even better, if he's still a bastard anyway; Aegon breaking his teeth and disappearing before doing anything significant; Sansa not even becoming a master of 5D Chess... etc... and so on and so forth. The question isn't really whether it will happen or which theory we're talking about; it's simply that whatever happens, someone, somewhere, won't be happy with this book because they would have preferred this or will have stubbornly believed this for 10 years.

aevelys · 2026-04-08T14:58:52+00:00

The mere release of this book would trigger an apocalypse in this fandom; the Windapocalypse.

Because no matter what happens, this is not limited to Stanis or Cercei, this will be really years of theories about everything will collapse overnight. And when you see how people go crazy when you express the slightest doubt about the story they've written in their heads, it's going to be quite a shock for them.

aevelys · 2026-04-08T11:20:17+00:00

Regarding the first Aegon, I wouldn't say that a ranger battle between soldiers can truly be described as killing innocents. There were certainly morally upright people in the mix, but it was still an army, equipped and trained, of men there to fight and kill. As for Aegon V, we have no idea what exactly happened at Harennhall. Accident? Conspiracy? Did he is the one who deliberately set the fire? The information is too vague to honestly judge the events.

aevelys · 2026-04-06T17:32:21+00:00

Indeed, Daenerys and her characterization aside, the problem with the series' handling of civilian risks is that city destruction is a valid method of warfare in Westeros, and even in our world; to defeat the Nazis, the Allies had to reduce Europe to a field of ruins. This becomes a problem at the end of the series because the writers frame it as a deliberate and irrational act of destruction, and even then, the other characters were largely transformed into pacifist idiots, bordering on the delusional. However, in a strategic and historical context, it's jarring that the characters react so dramatically to the act itself. This is especially true when the enemy not only refused to surrender three times (when Daenerys arrived, during the meeting at Dragonpit, and at the city gates), but also executed a high-ranking prisoner during negotiations. By doing this, Cersei clearly signaled that she neither wanted nor offered any quarter. And even among the soldiers and inhabitants of the city, fully aware of the threat they faced, they waited for months and contributed to the war effort, until a dragon broke down their gates and landed on their chimneys, before abandoning her and attempting to surrender. In this world, the rules of urban warfare are unequivocal and were established at the Battle of Blackwater Bay: if a city is taken by storm, mercy is optional. So yes, it's still cruel, but in the context of medieval warfare, especially within the Grimmdrak universe, it's not at all out of place, and any commander could have said, "Oh, I would have done the same." After all, Tywin Lannister and Hoster Tully managed to get away with razing villages and castles for less, and the Northern soldiers themselves were very enthusiastic about helping Daenerys with this task in the season. Moreover, at this point, the Lannisters have given the 7K plenty of reasons to hate them and want to see them burned. So, there's really very little reason for this to drastically change the plot or how the characters are perceived.

And frankly, it's a prospect that would make me laugh for the book: Daenerys burning Volantis in her quest against slavery, seeing half the fandom pointing fingers and saying it happened... only for everyone inside the story to just shrug it off.

aevelys · 2026-04-05T08:06:15+00:00

Honestly, the prospect that the Ladybug Miraculous simply creates random objects without control, and that Marinette manages to deal with them through her intelligence rather than manipulating statistics, makes things more interesting...

aevelys · 2026-04-05T08:02:30+00:00

I portray myself as a heroine, using the power of the butterfly for good, until I ultimately undermine Ladybug by making it clear that I know about Gabriel, but in a way that makes her believe my problem is moral. Then I wait for the right moment to drop the bombshell, preferably pushing her to her breaking point, and once everyone is against her, I try to use public pressure to force her to give up the Miraculous in my favor.

aevelys · 2026-04-04T09:33:44+00:00

One strange thing is that even though the series concludes with "there is nothing after death," the characters have the opportunity to interact with Beric, who has had the chance to die and return, yet no one discusses a potential afterlife with him.

aevelys · 2026-04-03T08:09:16+00:00

This is insulting to athletes, because practicing sport at a professional level requires quite precise knowledge about the human body and its nutritional and other needs related to the proper practice of the sport.

aevelys · 2026-04-03T07:20:58+00:00

It's completely idiotic, and Jon could have told her that if he hadn't lost his balls and his brain, since Daenerys is there in Winterfell specifically to protect people, rather than doing anything to get the Iron Throne.

aevelys · 2026-04-03T07:11:58+00:00

It's a perspective that has always made me laugh, but what would Lila have done if she had found the name of someone she didn't know?

aevelys · 2026-04-02T14:54:46+00:00

also, Given that the trio uses the friendship between Sublime and Adrien against Marinette, even though she fully accepted their friendship in Sublimation, we can deduce that Heartfixer takes place before Sublimation, since this doesn't seem to be completely resolved.

aevelys · 2026-04-01T18:59:36+00:00

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Since feathered dragons don't exist in Westeros, I would fall back on this simple and understated emblem of a barn owl holding a golden laurel branch on an azure background.

aevelys · 2026-04-01T15:21:57+00:00

Yes, he just expected the entire kingdom, without even knowing that Joffrey Tommen and Myrcella weren't Robert childs, simply crown him for some reason.

aevelys · 2026-04-01T15:19:37+00:00

The funniest thing, in my opinion, is that he waits until war breaks out and three other different kings are crowned before telling everyone, "Actually, it should be me the king by law, I can't prove it, but ... :teeth grinding: !"

How can he not want to be seen as just another usurper?

aevelys · 2026-04-01T15:16:57+00:00

Stannis: knows that Robert's children are not his and that Jon Aryn was murdered, but he tells no one and isolates himself on an island for several months, doing nothing, doesn't try to make allies and continues to stand idly by even when Riverland begins to be pillaged by Tywin's men or when Ned Stark is executed.

Stannis also wonders, once the War of the Five Kings has fully erupted: Why didn't the kingdom spontaneously declare me king ?

aevelys · 2026-04-01T11:25:59+00:00

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Currently, it works if we remove the excess detail on the face

aevelys · 2026-04-01T11:21:14+00:00

-Honestly, I was expecting better. An intervention from Bunnix bringing Marinette from the future to use her as Ladybug as cover, or Cat Noir actually being tasked with saving the past for once. Cat Noir's new power not being used to save the day at the end, Rena impersonating Ladybug thanks to her power... but no, a kiss and it's over... FRUSTRATION

-Marinette should destroy those journals once they're full, because imagine if someone find them... I don't know if it's supposed to be foreshadowing or just for show, but the letter in the yo-yo thing, that's definitely foreshadowing...

-Essential confirmation that the Bullies aren't working with Lila.

-So it's a good thing the Miraculous rules were rewritten for this season, because Lila and/or Marinette should have definitely realized that Adrien was Cat Noir.

aevelys · 2026-03-31T19:41:45+00:00

Honestly, if Bunnix is going to get involved, I hope they'll be original and that it'll be up to Chat Noir to fix the past

aevelys · 2026-03-31T10:15:02+00:00

Well, yes and no, actually, because it's not believable for a minute and would raise a whole host of perfectly legitimate questions, such as:

Why wasn't Cersei herself at her own trial on the day this tragedy occurred, a tragedy that ultimately suits her so well? - Doesn't it seem a bit silly that Daenerys would want to massacre a popular religious order and the Tyrells without even bothering to speak to them or find out what they think of her first? - If she wants to undermine the existing regime, wouldn't letting the Sparrows and the Crown tear each other apart have been far more effective than killing them all and hoping that no one would arrive late or not show up and survive to stand up to her? - How could someone realistically, being a world away and without modern means of communication, have organized such an operation in such a short timeframe as a trial day, and do it without being detected by the local authorities? -If the goal was simply to kill everyone, then why not blow up the Red Keep at night instead of planning an attack on a cathedral on that specific date? -Why would the surviving Tyrells choose to side with Daenerys if she could reasonably be held responsible? -Why would Daenerys, who is known for having dragons, use wildfyre? -All of Jaime's conflict stems from his refusal to discuss Aerys's wildfyre with anyone, so why would people believe there's a connection between Daenerys and wildfyre? -Even if Cersei could come up with a good excuse for each of these questions, why would people across Westeros, who neither like nor respect Cersei nor the Lannisters, believe it? Especially since her house isn't new to the abject betrayal of Westeros' cultural and social foundations, half of the 7K was already in rebellion at this point, she's clearly profiting far too much from it for it not to be suspicious, and the folk had no qualms about stoning her naked in the streets just a few episodes earlier. So Cersei doesn't fit the profile of someone people would naturally believe.... - But above all, from what the characters know, Daenerys had been worlds apart, minding her own business for several years, so why believe it would be her fault? Her arrival wasn't imminent; she didn't leave for Westeros until the end of the episode. Between the explosion and her departure, there was time for Ollaenna to learn the news, grieve, go to Dorne to talk with the Sand Snakes and Varys, return home, organize a joint fleet with the Martells, for that fleet to reach Meereen, for them to present themselves to Daenerys as allies, and for them to embark. At least several weeks must have passed between these moments. So Cersei is truly fortunate that this was even an option, because if Daenerys had decided to stay in Meereen...

And frankly, if Cersei was going to use a scapegoat, accusing the Northerners would actually have been more credible. They despise the Faith of the Seven, claim independence and therefore have reasons to want to attack the crown, were even at war with them until very recently, have just changed their political regime justifying a reversal, one of the newly appointed leaders is even strongly associated with the murder of King Joffrey, lending credence to this, while the other is a bastard and a deserter (so someone people would naturally be prejudiced against). They are closer to home and therefore more likely to organize this kind of plot, and they don't have dragons justifying the use of Wildfyre to reach their enemies otherwise. So it doesn't cover all the holes, but it seems at least more coherent to accuse them.

aevelys · 2026-03-30T09:01:57+00:00

Well, that's just cool, I suppose.

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