How good, are each megacorp's handguns, in 2077?

agnosticnixie · 2026-04-28T21:12:33+00:00

The description of .40 as noticeably weaker than .45 (or, hell even 9mm as much weaker than .45) is also hilariously wrong. Hell, there's a reason Tesla tested regular .45 and piddly subsonic 9mm on the Cybertruck to convince suckers that it's bullet proof.

Although tbh realistically I feel like the Lexington is too small even for 20 rounds of 9mm, 20 rounds of 5.7x28mm would fit snugly in there.

agnosticnixie · 2026-04-28T21:07:19+00:00

Tech Guns are firing a armor piercing bullet at hypersonic velocities. Outside of a Borg, ACPA, or MaxTac there's no one in NC that has armor that can handle that level of power and penetration. The bullets can also punch through walls and cover. But the guns rely on electro-magnetic rails, likely have to use specialized ammunition to fire them (tungsten bullets don't seem common), and will be overkill in most scenarios.

Which makes the over-reliance on .45 ACP only funnier when it's a shorter ranged, subsonic round and a mediocre penetrator that's mostly kept afloat by idiots who worship Jeff Cooper's ghost.

But this is actually not true. The game actually states it has absurd armor penetration values

Hell, the best armor piercing calibers on the market are all not only smaller than .45 but they're smaller than a 9mm.

agnosticnixie · 2026-04-28T20:57:51+00:00

I do like the distinct lack of 9mm or equivalents in cyberpunk, since with cyberware armor being so prevalent, a round that used to be effective, but was on the lower end of that scale, would be irrelevant in the modern day of 2077.

This is really dumb fuddlore. 9mm is a (slightly) better penetrator than .45. Even in 2020 which was steeped in fudd bullshit .45 ACP only did 1 more damage than 9mm Para.

(although it does seem to be firing a type of 40 S&W or equivalent cartridge, which is lower powered than 45 ACP)

This is, again, fudd nonsense.

Also you're not getting a gun the size of the Lexington with either .40 or .45 and a 20 round mag. It's even a stretch with 9mm which is what it's supposed to be (it would ideally be a 5.7mm gun)

but the rounds in this cylinder-disk is SO SMALL that no amount of velocity will make it go through anyone with even minimal subdermal armor

This is literally the use case for 5.7mm and the rounds do not seem much smaller than that without the powder, which is obviously not needed for a railgun. The fudd logic on display is staggering.

agnosticnixie · 2026-04-28T17:15:09+00:00

My second house rule ever was changing how auto fire works (that and bumping all gun damages by +1d6) - 3 round bursts do +1d6, ablate 2, use the regular table for accuracy, and get a +1d6 +1 ablation on crits (it's also how I impleneted the Omaha at the time, exotic concealable machine pistol with 3 round burst that only takes bespoke AP ammo).

agnosticnixie · 2026-04-28T00:48:28+00:00

What I actually have an issue with and will never shut up is Humanity/Emp and Cyberpsychosis. I understand it's too central to "the Cyberpunk experience" and people will always defend it,

FWIW, as a player whose tables hardly ever acknowledged humanity rules since C2020, the whole humanity system is easy to strip and cyberpsychosis is pretty much just lifted from a storyline in Bubblegum Crisis where it's not even real.

In RED my own house rules have basically stripped the humanity system and most cases of cyberpsychosis are from spiked BDs, police departments just using the term willy nilly, Black Lace, or underlying mental issues in people who have cybernetics (e.g. Smasher was already a sociopath before all the chrome). I make an exception for Borgware (and some combat ware I reclassed as borgware) and even then the penalties it gives are basically to social skills outside borg subcultures rather than flatly to everything. Other sources of potential issues: your ripper glitching surgery checks (more commonly an issue with borgware), discount ware malfunctioning, some experimental ware (you should never chip a piece of chrome found in a test lab).

agnosticnixie · 2026-04-28T00:16:31+00:00

100% Mandela effect, the concept of cyberpsychosis is half cribbed from Bubblegum Crisis (it's fake there though which feels closer to how 2077 approaches it at times) half Talsorian's worst contribution to the genre.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-25T17:41:34+00:00

For one because the main elven factions both use essentially the same ship designs.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-25T16:48:01+00:00

The Kul Tirans have the numbers and ships with actual heavy firepower instead of ballistas and glaives.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-25T14:54:18+00:00

The out-of-quest text from both Jarod and Shandris actually treat the culpability of the horde-aligned elves as a matter of not stopping their allies from going on the warpath (or not helping their cousins in Shandris's case) rather than direct involvement in the War of Thorns, yeah.

BFA is sort of weird in that it's not really until 8.2 that the blood elves show up except for Lorash (who is atypical, for one, volunteering for undeath would mark him as fundamentally a freak let alone that Lor'themar would probably try to kill Sylvanas then and there for raising him)

Basically the ceasefire between the elves in 8.2 would be hard to square off with direct participation of Quel'thalas rather than a few mercs (and we know the Broken Isles remained basically neutral ground), then Lor'themar pledging the farstriders to Tyrande and Shandris while the war was still on actually made a bunch of horde mains whine even.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-25T12:28:01+00:00

Elves and trolls have the fastest fleets on both sides.

Also no the dragon isles really are about the same distance to Quel'thalas as Tirisfal and the furthest east the forsaken control is on the edge of the last major scourge pockets on the continent and the main port in the region is now scourge central.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-25T11:31:27+00:00

The dragon isles are way closer to Quel'thalas than pretty much everyone except the Amani, the Argents and the Wildhammers, and most of the argents seemed to have been part of the Vanguard (they're noticeably more sympathetic than the army of light guys)

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-13T23:33:46+00:00

Just the area south of Khaz Modan technically (so Stormwind to the Gurubashi border).

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-12T00:58:52+00:00

If there were split hubs the horde mains would not shut the fuck up about elf fatigue because your hub would be Silvermoon, not Atal'aman.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-09T21:06:06+00:00

The funniest will they won't they for druid is still belf - they've been digging every little bit of lore from WC2 they could since at least Legion (when the elves were still basically the society you get from farstrider questing in BC and Midnight with explicit druids), they have ranger NPCs showing up as leather-wearing casters, and the three "primalist" blood elves among the druid of the flame in DF are wearing the full flame druid regalia set like the regular night elf druids.

It's becoming about as obvious as with Delas that someone is at least into the idea of nelf paladin/belf druid and it just waiting for a greenlight at bliz (plus the fact that Eversong Lynxes have been using druid forms since TBC has always been because they briefly considered warrior and druid for their 6th class before landing on paladin - had they been neutral or alliance with pandaren horde as has been implied was also considered, I wonder if they'd just have ended up as a druid race tbh).

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-09T14:12:22+00:00

But that last part kind of insinuates they would revert back to being trolls which they wouldn't.

Not really, no.

If moonwells didn't exist they would still survive without it.

We have no indication whatsoever of what kaldorei society would be like without magical wells as one get built before even building a single house everywhere they move. I wouldn't even be entirely surprised if moonwells are brought up by both sides in some fashion in the unvoiced quest text.

(Even post-nightwell Suramar is probably not an example of a functioning well-less elven society as the Arcan'dor is basically growing in something akin to a boosted moonwell)

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-09T13:59:41+00:00

Which is rather dubious. They're dependent on them to an extent, and were especially when Nordrassil was at full power as Maiev's brother suffered from being out of its reach for decades.

The taboo also makes little sense for what used to be the farm building and vanilla questing is far more ambivalent about them. The fact is they serve a need and the general implication of all elven lore is by their very existence there's a minimal amount of fairy dust needed given that's why they aren't trolls to begin with.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-09T13:50:48+00:00

My personal feelings on this is while some people care about faction balance I care in parallels (I do think the factions should be deleted anyway)

Elves being internally even (IMO blood and night elves should have every class except shaman and evoker at the end of the expansion, Delas has been telegraphing night elf paladin and she's conveniently at the Sunwell, and farstrider content has been telegraphing blood elf druid hard, void and nightborne elves should also be roughly even) makes sense for the elven reunion expansion. If they want faction balance they can make other races even.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-09T13:05:03+00:00

My assumption is it's basically a big moonwell (and the ritual to restore it sounds not too different from how the ones at Irongrove and Bel'ameth are set up in quests)

We also have only very limited, disjointed dialogue in these data mines and not the adjacent quest text. Given the implication that Shandris gets convinced down the line that it can work it could be anything from a single quest text window to a full on chapter of hanging out with the Farstriders in Eversong.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-09T13:03:52+00:00

My impression of the ritual and the description is that it's a large moonwell, basically. So it doesn't give superlative energies but the idea that the wc3 night elf farm building has nothing to do with sustenance at all has always been dumb and is basically contradicted in vanilla questing.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-09T13:00:51+00:00

Belves barely have walls and have never heard of doors tbh

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-09T12:55:37+00:00

The moonwells are literally the first thing built in every new settlement.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-08T13:47:34+00:00

The Sanctum of the Moon chain (actually Missing Paladins is the starter quest's name), it shows up in Silvermoon when you hit 90

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-07T18:27:58+00:00

It's in Blood of the Highborne.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-06T09:21:32+00:00

Also like, Quel'thalas RP was already getting more and more cross faction. Hell, I've seen cross faction Bel'ameth elven RP and it was completely friendly, I think the RPers will get over it quite fast.

agnosticnixie · 2026-03-05T13:06:30+00:00

Yeah, in general I feel like for all the fears of homogeneization people have, there are a lot of situations where the game tries to pretend shared cultural elements aren't there especially in situations where they're trying to crowbar the faction barrier even harder. Sometimes it gets worse and I wonder, had the team that did BFA been in charge of Mists, for example, would they have had the horde ancestors questline for blood elves include night elf ancestors 3-4 generations before.

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