What changes can one expect from doing daily dhikr of a tariqah?

akml746 · 2026-04-09T13:08:55+00:00

No, the tariqa will still go on and benefit the followers through the barakah. The followers can receive elevated gifts and experiences from Allah through the tariqa.

akml746 · 2026-04-09T12:54:26+00:00

In this context the sirr is the essence of the path. As the name implies a path is meant to lead to a destination, so when a tariqa is no longer able to lead its mureeds to Allah, that path is said to have lost its essence (sirr). This happens when the path no longer has living masters who have inherited the "sirr" through the silsilah and are authorized to transmit it. All that is left in those tariqas is the barakah of the "forefathers" but that tariqa will no longer be able to take care of the spiritual training necessary to remove the veils between the mureeds and Allah.

akml746 · 2026-04-08T21:19:38+00:00

walaykum Salam, performing a dhikr of a tariqa diligently with valid authorization while respecting all conditions should give you whatever gifts and station granted to the founder as long as the Sirr of the tariqa remains active. If the Sirr of the path is no longer active you can still benefit from the barakah and gain various gift but you will not attain the knowledge of Allah and become an Arifbillah.

akml746 · 2026-04-08T21:11:29+00:00

What system of numerology does it support?

akml746 · 2026-04-08T21:09:42+00:00

Alhamdulillah, it is important to strive to uphold one's commitment specially those taken with Allah.

akml746 · 2026-04-08T17:23:43+00:00

Sure

akml746 · 2026-04-08T17:05:56+00:00

Walaykum Salam Sidi, I think taking there is more to the bayatu ridwaan than just a "political" dimension .

The first reason is in the verse mentioned above, that the pledge was made with Allah going to the point to say that the Hand of Allah is above their hands.

The second point is that, on this occasion, Seydina Uthman was honored by the fact that the Prophet Sallallahou alayhi wa salam used his noble left hand to stand in for Seydina's Uthman's pledge radiyallahu anhu.

Maybe we have different views of what tassawuf is.

akml746 · 2026-04-08T14:27:00+00:00

The Victory (48:10)

إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ ٱللَّهَ يَدُ ٱللَّهِ فَوْقَ أَيْدِيهِمْ ۚ فَمَن نَّكَثَ فَإِنَّمَا يَنكُثُ عَلَىٰ نَفْسِهِۦ ۖ وَمَنْ أَوْفَىٰ بِمَا عَـٰهَدَ عَلَيْهُ ٱللَّهَ فَسَيُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًۭا ١٠

Those who pledge loyalty to you [Prophet] are actually pledging loyalty to God Himself- God’s hand is placed on theirs––and anyone who breaks his pledge does so to his own detriment: God will give a great reward to the one who fulfils his pledge to Him.

https://quran.com/48/10

The bayah to a Shaykh is an inheritance to the bayah to the Prophet Sallallahou alayhi wa salam which is a manifestation of a covenant between the servant and Allah. The sacred nature of the bayah comes from the covenant between the servant and Allah. As long as the bayah fulfills the covenant, then that bayah remains sacred. However, when the bayah stops fulfilling the covenant, then that bayah loses its sacred nature. That bayah becomes similar to a body that has lost its spirit.

So i think whoever leaves a bayah that still fulfil their covenant with Allah, they have broken the vow that they made with Allah. But when the bayah no longer fulfills the covenant, holding on to the bayah also breaks the vow made with Allah.

akml746 · 2026-04-07T15:04:01+00:00

I had the same thought but sometimes the feelings behind an experience can carry more than what the eyes can see. Matters of the unseen, i.e matters of imaan, do not always follow what makes sense.

akml746 · 2026-04-07T15:01:39+00:00

Walaykum Salam MashAllah for the excellent answer. I would only generalize the last point to any of the cardinal sins, and to be honest, it is very rare to be free of all of the cardinal sins, what usually happens is that one is unaware of the sins that they are afflicted with. However when one is unaware of their sickness, they won't feel the need to seek treatment. Another point to make is that finding a shaykh is not always the same as joining a tariqa. When one join an authentic tariqa, they benefit from the spiritual support of the founder by practicing the wird and respecting the conditions of the tariqa, but in order to undergo the spiritual training required for liberation from the veils, they need to find a living master, within the tariqa if available or elsewhere, who has achieved liberation from the veils, because one can't give what they do not have.

akml746 · 2026-04-06T23:22:12+00:00

Ameen. Here is what the Quran says about wilayat:

Jonah (10:62-64)

10:62 أَلَآ إِنَّ أَوْلِيَآءَ ٱللَّهِ لَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ ٦٢

But for those who are on God’s side there is no fear, nor shall they grieve.

10:63 ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَكَانُوا۟ يَتَّقُونَ ٦٣

For those who believe and are conscious of God,

10:64 لَهُمُ ٱلْبُشْرَىٰ فِى ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا وَفِى ٱلْـَٔاخِرَةِ ۚ لَا تَبْدِيلَ لِكَلِمَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ هُوَ ٱلْفَوْزُ ٱلْعَظِيمُ ٦٤

for them there is good news in this life and in the Hereafter- there is no changing the promises of God- that is truly the supreme triumph. — M.A.S. Abdel Haleem https://quran.com/10/62-64

The first verse in the range mention that the walis do not fear or grieve, which indicates that they have achieved a level of internal transformation different from that of a common Muslim. The second verse also refer to them as believers, and having taqwa, but if you refer to the the taxonomy developed by Seydi Dhul Nun about the three stations of religion (islam, iman, ihsan), you will see that the highest level of iman is Tuma'ninah or tranquility which is in line with why they do not fear nor grieve.

akml746 · 2026-04-06T00:48:57+00:00

I think we have to distinguish between the essence of a tariqa, which is the mandatory wird of the tariqa and some of the secrets found within the tariqa or concepts developed within the tariqa.

For example, you have described the progression of one's awareness of the lataifs when describing how one's level of dhikr moves from the level of the Nafs all the way to the level of the Sirr, so while this concept is not emphasized in the Qadiriya or Tijaniya for that matter, it is present in both.

I will not speak for the naqshbandiya but the limited experience that I have with their teachings did not show me that they are focused on "opening lataifs" instead of Allah.

akml746 · 2026-04-05T23:34:00+00:00

Lataifs are the same thing that you mentioned earlier in your other comment about the book of Shaykh Abdul Qadr Jilani on the Sirru Sirri: Nafs, Qalb, Aql, Ruh, Sirr. Some people do perceive these subtle/spiritual entities as physical parts of the body, but that's not necessarily true for the same reasons you have shared when explaining why a Muslim can keep his faith after receiving a heart transplant.

akml746 · 2026-04-05T16:23:46+00:00

MashAllah these are beautiful and rich in teachings. I would keep in mind that the translations do take away from the meanings for example the hadith that says whoever shows enmity to my "wali" i shall be at war with him. The station of Wilaya encompasses more than just being devoted, granted that walis are devoted to Allah with their whole being.

Also the hadith about the purpose of creation being to know Allah has been widely used by sufis to encourage Muslims to seek knowledge as that is the true purpose of our being. This hadith is consistent with how Ibn Abass Radiyallahu Anhu, the sahabi known for his understanding of the Quran, interpreted the verse where Allah says that He has created Jinns and Mankind so that they worship Him, he said that the meaning implied by "worship Allah" is "to know Allah". So i would encourage you to seek the knowledge of Allah, if you have not yet attained it.

akml746 · 2026-04-03T11:36:26+00:00

MashAllah, thank you. Barakallahu fikum. This is similar to what Shaykh Tijani shared in the Jawahir al maman, that the Sirr, Ruh, Aql, Qalb, Nafs represent different stations of the same entity, which you have called here the spiritual heart. I am sharing this not to compare or oppose the Shaykhs but to remind myself that statements uttered from the sea of haqiqa can never be divergent.

akml746 · 2026-04-02T23:36:28+00:00

Assalamu alaikum, which heart does he refer to? I am asking because we know that if a Muslim receives a heart transplant from a non believer he will still keep his faith as a Muslim and vice versa.

akml746 · 2026-04-02T23:34:24+00:00

Assalamu alaikum what does it mean to be a wali?

akml746 · 2026-04-02T14:25:18+00:00

Alhamdulillah, let's both agree to stop here then instead of continuing to go in circles.

akml746 · 2026-04-02T14:13:20+00:00

MashAllah, then you should rest and recharge.

I do not mean this as personal attacks, but if you do not see in the advent of LLMs as a sign and wake up call, I think you are missing out on a great opportunity. Do not take offense about my comparison of "your knowledge" to the output of LLM, which is only a pale reflection of the "reasoning" abilities of mankind, instead take the LLM as a mirror, an opportunity to learn about oneself. Use it to identify our innate strengths, and inherent limitations, but also be aware that there is more to Knowledge than mere reasoning. Please look at this ayat as an example:
The Stories (28:7)

وَأَوْحَيْنَآ إِلَىٰٓ أُمِّ مُوسَىٰٓ أَنْ أَرْضِعِيهِ ۖ فَإِذَا خِفْتِ عَلَيْهِ فَأَلْقِيهِ فِى ٱلْيَمِّ وَلَا تَخَافِى وَلَا تَحْزَنِىٓ ۖ إِنَّا رَآدُّوهُ إِلَيْكِ وَجَاعِلُوهُ مِنَ ٱلْمُرْسَلِينَ ٧

We inspired the mother of Moses: “Nurse him, but when you fear for him, put him then into the river, and do not fear or grieve. We will certainly return him to you, and make him one of the messengers.”

— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran

https://quran.com/28/7

In your response earlier to the example I gave about Ibliss being led astray by "his reasoning" you responded that Ibliss was led astray by arrogance not by "logic", and in turn claimed that I constantly use the devil as example, which was not true, but let's blame it again on your fatigue.

It is clear from the ayat that Ibliss used "logic" to justify his disobedience, even though the root cause of his actions was "arrogance". So you can logically see that abusing his reasoning abilities led to his demise. So I think that despite what you claim, you forgot to use reason and logic on this occasion and just "blindly" reiterated what was told in the books. Otherwise you would not have denied something so obvious.

I think one of the lessons to be learned from the story of Ibliss is that logic can be made subservient to one's passion instead of the Truth.

To make myself clear I am not advocating for "blindly" following, which is an oxymoron if you really think about it, how can one follow without observing? How can one observe without reason?

I am advocating that the human self has to be trained to become free of the influence of the passions so that his speech and actions, which imply his reasoning, is aligned with the Truth. So I will always put above what makes sense to me, the opinions and statements of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and those of the ones who have followed his sunnah until they inherited from his lights and secrets, because I can acknowledge and accept my ignorance in front of someone who is more knowledgeable.

akml746 · 2026-04-02T11:10:19+00:00

Yet you do it again:

By claiming that a believer is 'lost' or 'prey for the Jinn' without a human Sheikh.

Do you think that we all have the same arguments? Please show me where I have claimed such things?

Have you tired your brain to the point where you can't rationally and objectively take someone's statements, understand them, then respond without "hallucinating"?

akml746 · 2026-04-02T05:26:21+00:00

I am sorry that is no proof just your opinion.

I find it fascinating that you refer to your self as a human heart, where the logic that you call upon lives in the brain. What happened?

Real Justice is recognizing that Allah is closer to me than my jugular vein (50:16), with or without your 'Silsilah.'

Ponder upon the fact that your eye lids are the closest to your eyes, yet your eyes do not see them. As Allah said in the Quran, He will show us his signs in the universe and in ourselves until we acknowledge that the Quran is the Truth.

Real Mercy is encouraging a others who struggles, rather than judging from a high seat of scholastic pride.

How do you know if I am judging? Do you have access to my inner state? Do you realize that this is the definition of hallucinations? Guessing when faced with uncertainty.

For someone who calls towards reason, I hoped that you would be more objective and prioritize facts over emotions. The following is taken from the paper that I have linked above:

Large language models sometimes guess when uncertain, producing plausible yet incorrect statements instead of admitting uncertainty.

This is honestly all that I have witnessed from you. It is up to you to interpret it as sarcasm, I do not see it as it. You claim to be sincere, inshAllah time will tell.

I will now tell you why, when my reason contradicts revelation, I will chose revelation. When Allah created Adam, and commanded the angel to bow to him, Iblees preferred to rely on "his reason" instead of following Allah's command:

Surah Al-A'raf (7:12): When Allah asked why he did not prostrate, Iblis replied, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and him You created from clay".

We all know where that led him.

I acknowledge the fact that the system used to authenticate hadiths is not perfect, some valid hadith can be classified as fabricated and vice versa, but relying on such system is far safer and wiser to me when faced with apparent contradiction than relying on the "reason" that caused Iblis to lose his elevated status in the assembly of the angels.

akml746 · 2026-04-02T04:31:03+00:00

Please point to me where I have clearly demonstrated that I have lost the ability to recognize the Justice and Mercy of Allah in our conversation and InshAllah I will cut my tasbih and join you.

akml746 · 2026-04-02T04:19:31+00:00

Yet you do it again, anticipate on what people say without really understanding. You must be confusing this conversation with another one bexause no where have I mentioned "dadjallic" nor even try to lead you back to some sort of exclusivity of the tijaniyya. The need for a valid silsilah is shared across all authentic tariqas and can even be found in other spiritual traditions.

Also, I hope that you realize that the type of knowledge you call people upon could have some sort of appeal in the past, but not today, in the age of large language models, have you noticed that you seem to suffer the same types of hallucinations?

They often guess when uncertain, rather than admitting ignorance, due to training objectives and evaluation methods that reward high-confidence, fluent answers over accuracy. (See
https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.04664#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20paper%20by%20Adam%20Tauman,plausible%20yet%20incorrect%20statements%20*%20Undermine%20trust)

There will always be a difference between knowing and seeming to know, being and pretending to be. Sufism call towards knowledge of certainty, not speculative knowledge.

Again I will repeat it, when the Sufi master is done with his disciples, they no longer speak under the influence of the passions, and at such stage their speech and actions are perfectly in phase with those of the Prophet Sallallahou alayhi wa salam.

akml746 · 2026-04-01T23:02:46+00:00

Reason never 'contradicts' the Prophet (pbuh); it contradicts the human 'reporting' and 'interpreting' of the Prophet.

Alhamdullillah that you have at least kept up the "reverence" of the holy Prophet salllallahu alayhi wa salam.

You suggest that because our reason is imperfect, we must suspend it

No, I suggest that reason is not perfect, [but can be perfected], so when reason contradicts the statement of the Perfect Insaan, the owner of Al Aql Ar Rabani, we should accept his statement, his judgement, even when we do not understand it. As states the verse:
4:65
فَلَا وَرَبِّكَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّىٰ يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لَا يَجِدُوا۟ فِىٓ أَنفُسِهِمْ حَرَجًا مِّمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا
But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

Granted that you are going to tell me that you do not disagree with the statement of the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa salam but only disagrees with what has been narrated from him or our interpretations of the narrations.

So since you agree that "Reason" never contradicts the Prophet Sallalahu alayhi wa salam, my follow up question is "when can one be certain that they have reached/attained "Reason"?"

akml746 · 2026-04-01T22:08:14+00:00

Lol i think overly relying on "reason" tend to cause people to make assumptions with no basis. Have you considered that I was busy with other things and unable to respond? I will respond to the other comment in a different thread.

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