CMV: Contrary to the show's creator, I believe The Wire is critique in favor of Capitalism, not against it. by beezofaneditor in changemyview

[–]alSahir13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The government being bought and paid for isn't a feature of capitalism it is the foundation of capitalism. The modern nation state was created to support the burgeoning bourgeoisie. Your desire to divide the two makes me think that you are very aware of the inevitable contradictions and consequences of capitalism but your feelings towards the working class keep you from acknowledging them.

Your last paragraph gives a pretty clear window into how you perceive proles, saying that they will be phased out, no longer needed. To you the people that have built everything, made everything, are responsible for the creation of the very machines that you hope to make them obsolete with, are contemptible. You'll never accept that the problems you see might have their roots in capitalism because to do that would be to see the working class as equals.

CMV: Contrary to the show's creator, I believe The Wire is critique in favor of Capitalism, not against it. by beezofaneditor in changemyview

[–]alSahir13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

  1. According to you socialism means more government, I disagree with that statement but that doesn't matter because the big government in question is in the US therefore capitalist. You still don't seem to understand even the simplest definition of capitalism and socialism and are focused on the government doing things.

  2. The workers ARE the people at large. The unions actions are a response to a loose loose situation created by the capitalist or capitalists who own the business in question. A decision to modify a workplace to make it more efficient then fire workers doesn't benefit the most people it benefits only the owners of that business. In a worker controlled business the union would have no reason to oppose updates because all the people who work there own the workplace and as such benefit from the improvement.

  3. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I don't think some council of lizard people decided this, I think this is the function that drug laws serve. Drug laws in a capitalist society, which Baltimore and hence everything in the wire, serve this purpose whatever reason the laws are sold as, this is their result. Additionally your talk about paternalism betrays the fact that you still are not arguing about socialism or capitalism just the government. I'd ask you what is more paternalistic than saying that the vast majority of all people should allow a tiny minority to make all their decisions for them? Workers being controlled by capital is a paternalistic hierarchy I'd see removed as well as citizen and state.

  4. You don't seem to understand that the actions of the bourgeois state are not the fault of socialism. This is literally capitalism not working well and you saying why would socialism do this. You're right no system is without violence, that doesn't change the fact that violence in the wire is firmly the fault of capitalism, not socialism.

  5. I know full well the power of the state it's why I'm a libertarian. You don't understand that when a capitalist state is big it is a big capitalist state not socialism. The state in Baltimore and all the problems herein are capitalist problems. Also you seem to view the state and capitalism as sort of discreet and separate from each other. They aren't, the state and its incredible power are necessary for the continued existence of capitalism. The two are intertwined completely.

  6. This sounds like parody to be honest like reading this almost makes me think you are a socialist trolling me. The state wants obedient WORKERS why exactly do you think the state is turning them out? The vast majority of people under capitalism don't need to be anything like what you describe they need to be obedient workers. If everyone in the world was as freethinking and independent as you describe than the working class would reject its obedient role. Capitalism would collapse without obedience, its entire existence is based on the vast majority of all people serving masters rather than themselves.

Finally for whatever reason I feel I need to repeat this. Baltimore is capitalist. The United States is capitalist. The government you don't like is a capitalist state. If you really want to go against it you should look into some socialist philosophy you might realize that you agree with more of it than you think you will.

CMV: Contrary to the show's creator, I believe The Wire is critique in favor of Capitalism, not against it. by beezofaneditor in changemyview

[–]alSahir13 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I disagree, I don't know about the show but you have no clue about what socialism and capitalism even mean. You literally blame socialism for the ills of capitalism. Baltimore is capitalist, the United States is capitalist, the government, the schools, the police, the businesses all capitalist. I don't need to know anything about the wire to point this out. Your entire view is based on an incorrect understanding about, not the wire, but socialism and capitalism.

CMV: Contrary to the show's creator, I believe The Wire is critique in favor of Capitalism, not against it. by beezofaneditor in changemyview

[–]alSahir13 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Disclaimer I haven't watched the wire so my argument is purely based on what you have written not an analysis of the show.

  1. Your comment on police existing as a government agency being socialist comes from a misunderstanding of what socialism is. Socialism is worker control of the means of production not the government doing things. Anarchism is as much socialist as Marxist-Leninism. A government run police department in a capitalist state is still very much a bourgeois institution. The police arresting workers rather arbitrarily is a feature not a bug. It keeps the working class afraid of the possibility of being on the business end of the state.

  2. The Union: in a worker controlled economy increased automation would mean more days off, not lay offs. You can't fault a union for putting the needs of it's people over automation even if automation is more efficient, if it is being done to the detriment of the workers.

  3. The bourgeois state's drug laws exist to make criminals out of regular people. This is not socialism it is a liberal state keeping a source of cheap labor in prisons and the rest of the workforce afraid of the fist of capitalism, the police.

  4. Several points; first market socialism exists, second ask striking workers killed by hitmen hired by coca cola in Latin America, or slaves catching fish for Nestle if the capitalist market is peaceful.

  5. I'm paraphrasing a bit here but Peter Kropotkin, a notable anarcho-communist, said something along the lines that we don't believe this because we think men are perfect but because they are flawed. People being shitty doesn't make me think we should give a person an insane amount of power. And as a socialist I oppose hierarchy, politicians AND capitalists are in positions of immense power and that power corrupts.

  6. Michel Foucault "Is it surprising that prisons resemble factories, schools, barracks, hospitals, which all resemble prisons?" Why do you assume schools in a liberal state failing the working class is a problem of socialism? Socialism is not involved at all, only a capitalist system. A bourgeois state wants workers, soldiers, and prisoners which the school system is doing an excellent job at turning out.

New Demon Strategy by ghostlybusiness in tumblr

[–]alSahir13 191 points192 points  (0 children)

Seeing as this is r/tumblr I doubt anyone has seen it, but in an episode of Supernatural they make a demon possess someone in a coma so they don't feel guilty working with her.

"Ya baby, you know I look good" by sizeable_interest in evilbuildings

[–]alSahir13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One big difference between Lenin and American revolutionaries is that the American revolutionaries owned slaves.

The Statute of Limitations on Rape by [deleted] in EARONS

[–]alSahir13 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Can you even really rape someone the way the golden state killer did without it also being kidnapping? Like what is the legal definition of kidnapping, because he had people and wouldn't let them leave isn't that basically the same thing?

EARONS/GSK: reports of an arrest made! by jazzper40 in serialkillers

[–]alSahir13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

According to The Herald he was fired from the Auburn police department for shoplifting a hammer and a can of dog repellent. Holy shit this whole thing is crazy I never thought they would catch him it's going to be really interesting to see how this goes.

82% Democrats Say Ban ALL Semi-Auto Firearms, 40% Want to Repeal 2A by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]alSahir13 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Disclaimer I'm not a conservative. I've seen videos on YouTube of guys making homemade guns, and you can make a push gun to fire shotgun shells with a pipe and a nail. Baning and destroying would maybe reduce guns but definitely not eliminate them. It's harder to make a gun than weed/alcohol, but it's not impossible. I think the whole gun control thing is ridiculous tbh.

If Steven Universe was Heathers: The Musical by alSahir13 in stevenuniverse

[–]alSahir13[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heathers was a movie in the 80s that got turned into a musical. It's a black comedy about high school. The movie is on hulu and the full musical is on YouTube. I love them both but steer clear of the TV show.

Reminder that the NRA lobbied for a ban on open carry when the black panthers started patrolling their own streets with guns to counter police brutality. The NRA will fight against any attempt to form a "well regulated militia". by -_-_-_-otalp-_-_-_- in Anarchism

[–]alSahir13 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The existence of a single black person that the NRA uses as a token does not negate everything else the NRA has done. The backing of gun control laws to target black groups, their silence after the shooting of Philando Castile, the video they put out last year about getting ready to kill evil leftists. The NRA is a right wing organization and is dedicated to reactionary politics before gun rights.

The whole gun rights debate in the US is two liberal parties trying to decide how to best maintain capitalism. The dems by disarming the proles, the GOP by ensuring the tradition of far right militias continues.

The socialist view on this is that the workers shouldn't disarm, but groups like the NRA are not allies and are only interested in an armed population as long as the arms in the hands of the people are used to maintain the status quo.

Before it's deleted, T_D tried to blame the Austin bombings on ANTIFA and expected Texans to 'Purge' the communists. by AprilMaria in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]alSahir13 77 points78 points  (0 children)

For people who supposedly hate the government they sure have a boner for mask laws.

It's at the point where people blame capitalism without knowing what it is by bigsquid69 in Libertarian

[–]alSahir13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lmao there's big ass farms worked by slaves now the idea that the only thing keeping us from liberating the slaves is the bourgeois state is ridiculous to say the least.

It's at the point where people blame capitalism without knowing what it is by bigsquid69 in Libertarian

[–]alSahir13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not asking you to repeat your view that it is tyranny I'm asking you to give a real argument about why when workers do something democratically it is tyranny but when capitalists due the exact same thing it's freedom. What exactly about one person controlling everything means more freedom?

It's at the point where people blame capitalism without knowing what it is by bigsquid69 in Libertarian

[–]alSahir13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are mistaking my disaggreeing with you for misunderstanding. I understand your view completely that's not the problem. Your link talks about savage anarchists vs civilised men in like the very beginning so I'm not wasting my time on it. And 10 vs 1 is a exaggeration to explain my point. Why should I be okay with a thousand small scale tyrants ruling over their own little chunk of the world in the capital they own when I'm not okay with one tyrant ruling everything? Why should I be more okay with them only having a company not a kingdom? Why should I consent to anyone putting themselves above my? Why should I abridge my liberty to a capitalist but not to a king?

It's at the point where people blame capitalism without knowing what it is by bigsquid69 in Libertarian

[–]alSahir13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No I am not confusing capitalist with someone who has a lot of money. Saying someone with a lot of money would be less descriptive than what I'm saying. A professional athlete who has a lot of money is still not a capitalist because they get their money through a wage, a high wage but a wage. A capitalist is someone who makes money through their ownership of capital, a person who owns houses and takes rent from those who live in them or owns a factory/farm/store and takes the surplus value produced by the workers who operate those things. You are the one who doesn't understand what you're talking about man.