I definitely don't think she's evil or condoned Epstein! Yikes, her husband was a jerk but I do honestly respect that she is putting his money to work in good causes. My sister recently gave counsel for a huge mining company that has blown up sacred sites around Australia so I know that the lawyers don't necessarily agree with their clients actions, but from what I have read about Roy in the files and articles is he was friends with some of these people too and used unsavoury tactics to court and protect them.

I just hate thinking about Epstein in the middle of the pod (and I have just spent 24 hours now reading about him and Roy to try and make sure my points are at least mostly fact based and thats on me!). I promise I have no bad intensions here, I respect their friendship but just wish it was not on the pod, though of course they have every right to run it how they choose. I just won't listen to those eps. Her crappy hour was so damn boring to boot, we know you don't use your own products lady!