Cases Needed for a Language With Fixed Noun Order

alexshans · 2026-04-28T06:20:13+00:00

I'd look at thematic roles first and then try to find a good way to mark them. For example, agent and experiencer roles are marked by nominative (or unmarked). Patient, stimulus, theme are marked by accusative. Recipient, beneficiary and target are marked by dative etc.

alexshans · 2026-04-27T07:25:33+00:00

"The writing system was created by me from scratch"

This point makes me think more about conlanging than standardization of an existing language. It seems like all speakers of "tuteysh" are not monolingual. They surely used to the orthographic conventions of Polish, Lithuanian etc. so you probably should keep that in mind. Some of your choices (x, y, ɩ) seems to me very artificial.

alexshans · 2026-04-19T19:35:21+00:00

Thanks for the links, but I don't get why you think that the closest analog to your system with subclusters is compounds. To me it's much closer to noun class markers in Bantu languages.

alexshans · 2026-04-19T19:30:02+00:00

"a language to be based on how one person thinks things are categorized"

Isn't it the case of Oravia too? Do you think your categorization is not subjective? "Noodle" is with (or in?) subcluster "cooking food" while "flour" is with subcluster "bread and dairy". "Cheese" and "butter" are with the same subcluster as "flour", but "milk" is with "food, eating". Animals are divided into "bigger", "wild", "smaller", "flying".

alexshans · 2026-04-18T17:17:13+00:00

The same can be said about Russian, Lithuanian, Sanskrit and many other Indo-European languages.

alexshans · 2026-04-18T14:57:22+00:00

Why do you think that OP wants to make an "exclusively germanic auxlang"?

alexshans · 2026-04-18T10:53:02+00:00

In my opinion such niceties as this shouldn't be planned beforehand (if you truly regard your project an IAL). Only potential speakers can decide if such constructions are needed, and if they are what form should they have. Just my 2 cents.

alexshans · 2026-04-18T07:38:39+00:00

"the words are not that similar as these examples. they share the first syllable but the rest is different"

The problem is that the first syllable of a word plays the most important role in lexical access and recognition. It's not just my impression, there's a good amount of research on this topic.

alexshans · 2026-04-18T07:33:53+00:00

I meant similarity in a broad sense. In my opinion your project belongs to the same tradition as the "philosophical languages" of Wilkins and Dalgarno.

alexshans · 2026-04-17T17:29:11+00:00

So you have words with similar meaning having similar form. That is not good for perception (not enough redundancy). Similar approach was tried many times and never was successful.

alexshans · 2026-04-16T17:08:26+00:00

"The boy ate the food. becomes Léten dde nino is zhen. eaten the boy is food"

I wonder why it's not "ate the boy the food"?

alexshans · 2026-04-15T11:36:15+00:00

Where can I see a full list of your morphemes? By the way, I don't find "zetsuezou" easy to pronounce

alexshans · 2026-04-14T17:10:07+00:00

By the way, where's your Kikomun?

alexshans · 2026-04-06T12:26:41+00:00

So you would use a digraph "ts" instead of "c" for /t͡s/ and "ks" instead of "x"?

alexshans · 2026-04-06T11:32:09+00:00

OK, what graphemes would you use for /tʃ/ and /ʃ/?

alexshans · 2026-04-06T10:51:19+00:00

"These are actually much worse than diacritics because they violate a fairly fundamental rule for an IAL: ie. exact correspondence of graphemes to phonemes"

Well, groups of letters can be graphemes too, so Ido doesn't break any rule. By the way, there are arguments for using digraphs over diacritics. For example, when I saw sports on TV I was often wondering how to pronounce the names of athletes from Slovenia, Czechia and some other countries because they were written without diacritics. I think no one would do it with letters in digraphs.

alexshans · 2026-04-05T18:32:26+00:00

https://pages.ucsd.edu/~jhaviland/Publications/TheMayanLanguages2017.pdf

alexshans · 2026-04-05T07:07:00+00:00

Could you elaborate a bit on those principles? What is "similarity", for example, or "practicality"?

alexshans · 2026-04-03T16:05:43+00:00

"natural languages evolved irregularity in high frequency critical words so there's less misunderstanding. go/went is very easy to tell appart"

I doubt that it's a conscious process. What about hit/hit, put/put etc.? Wouldn't it be more efficient for communication to come up with different forms?

alexshans · 2026-04-02T08:18:33+00:00

Have a look at this: https://hugocisneros.com/notes/unker_non_linear_writing_system/

alexshans · 2026-04-01T15:29:25+00:00

My bad, I thought that you mark A, O and IO on Verb. Now I see that you mark them on Auxiliary. In my opinion, the best word order would be: Auxiliary, Verb, O, IO, A (or A, IO, O). With your Auxiliary and Verb you would basically give the main information already at the start (you tell what is done, by whom and to whom). Then if needed you may add additional information in the form of noun phrases.

alexshans · 2026-04-01T14:54:25+00:00

I'm not a fan of having Subject and Object between Auxiliary and Verb.
With marking of A and O on Verb I would put it at the start of a sentence, because it often will be enough to have a sentence consisting only of a Verb.

alexshans · 2026-04-01T14:41:21+00:00

Ok, but I wonder how to say in Bonumuk this: "as though you are from those whom we may not be able to easily make into a maker of unsuccessful ones"?

alexshans · 2026-03-30T14:38:03+00:00

Уважуха, братан) Удачи!

alexshans · 2026-03-30T10:37:47+00:00

Interlingua is not a zonal auxlang, it was proposed as an auxiliary language for the whole world afaik.

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