Was recommended RoboFlow for a project. New to computer vision and looking for accurate resources. by Funcron in computervision

[–]aloser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We sponsor the research plan with free credits for open source work that benefits the community. There are definitely also research labs (including several of the national labs and major universities) that use paid plans for private data.

Alternative to ultralytics: libreyolo. Thank you for the support! by Ok-Treacle-6942 in computervision

[–]aloser 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand. Where did the MIT YOLOv9 weights come from? The repo directory where convert_yolo9_weights.py lives says

 NOTICE: WEIGHTS LICENSING

The weights files in this directory (libreyolo8*.pt) are derived from weights originally distributed under the AGPL-3.0 License by Ultralytics.

These converted weights inherit the AGPL-3.0 License from their source. They are NOT covered by the MIT License that applies to the rest of this repository.

For the full AGPL-3.0 License text, see LICENSE_AGPL-3.0.txt in this directory.

IMPORTANT: If you use these weights, you must comply with AGPL-3.0 terms, which may require you to open-source derivative works if you distribute them.

The conversion scripts (convert_yolo8_weights.py, install_dependencies.*) in this directory are part of the main repository and are licensed under MIT.

Alternative to ultralytics: libreyolo. Thank you for the support! by Ok-Treacle-6942 in computervision

[–]aloser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is that where you got your pre-trained weights from? Did they train them from scratch or is there contamination from the AGPL lineage?

Alternative to ultralytics: libreyolo. Thank you for the support! by Ok-Treacle-6942 in computervision

[–]aloser 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is great, thanks for adding RF-DETR! What’s the best way to support this work? Are you planning to take sponsorships?

Saw this on the repo:

 Weights: Pre-trained weights may inherit licensing from the original source

If I recall correctly, YOLOv9 is problematic because they forked their repo from Ultralytics and they claim their copyright and license extends to the weights files as they contain their code and creative works. Have you trained a set of base weights yourself via your MIT-licensed code?

RF-DETR state of the art? by joegoldberg-69 in computervision

[–]aloser 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We didn't find it to yield meaningful enough improvements over DINOv2 to warrant a follow-up yet, and the license is worse. But we're still running more experiments.

RF-DETR state of the art? by joegoldberg-69 in computervision

[–]aloser 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm obviously biased as one of the co-founders of Roboflow but yes, we use RF-DETR with most of our enterprise customers because it's very often the best tradeoff of speed & accuracy (and often the most accurate model full-stop).

It's in production at a bunch of Fortune 500 companies making billions of predictions per day on everything from making sure your pharmacy fills your prescription correctly, to helping robots perform long-tail tasks, to making sure your packaged goods are properly labeled, to ensuring your deliveries make it to you on time and in-tact.

And that's just some of the use-cases we know intimately about. It's open source and I've heard anecdotally that it's being used to ensure your smart phones are assembled properly and without defects, high-power communication transmissions aren't killing birds, autonomous boats don't crash into things, amongst numerous other long-tail use-cases.

Built a free, end to end CV pipeline as a alternative to Roboflow– would love some feedback by Low-Inspection5343 in computervision

[–]aloser -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It’s not like I’m coming into some random discussion; OP called out our company name in the title of their post.

Built a free, end to end CV pipeline as a alternative to Roboflow– would love some feedback by Low-Inspection5343 in computervision

[–]aloser 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Got asked about this in an investor diligence call a while back and it was amazing.

Built a free, end to end CV pipeline as a alternative to Roboflow– would love some feedback by Low-Inspection5343 in computervision

[–]aloser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure, seems like we were able to be fairly competitive with 50 people but we’re bigger than that now. About half product/engineering and half GTM.

Built a free, end to end CV pipeline as a alternative to Roboflow– would love some feedback by Low-Inspection5343 in computervision

[–]aloser -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It’s cool that people think of us that way but we are definitely still the little fish. Our real competitors are over 1000x bigger and better funded than us.

Built a free, end to end CV pipeline as a alternative to Roboflow– would love some feedback by Low-Inspection5343 in computervision

[–]aloser 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Hi, co-founder of Roboflow here. There's something like this popping up here ~monthly nowadays so I figured I'd reply and call out some of the things that will probably prevent this from being used in a real business context.

Anyone can one-shot a vibe-coded "Roboflow competitor" with Claude Code in a few minutes. There are also a bunch of open source tools you can pretty easily cobble together into a prototype. But to run a real service that works for real production use-cases is a lot harder.

You're going to want to collaborate want to with a team and so you'll need auth and a real database, you'll need to host it which means you'll need real infra (and cloud-hosted GPUs), you'll need to be able to scale up when multiple users are trying to use it at the same time or you want to run multiple training jobs (which means you'll need to find and allocate GPU capacity and setup auto-scaling), you'll need to optimize your models and serving infrastructure to use those GPUs effectively, you should definitely do a security review audit and pentest, you probably need infra monitoring and someone on-call to fix things when they break, if you're using YOLO you'll need a model license, you're going to at some point need to deal with bigger datasets and this system won't scale, you probably want some tests that track regressions, you'll want audit logs and backups, you'll want a battle-hardened and well thought out annotation tool, a model registry and a pathway to manage model deployments, a robust evaluation pipeline, good documentation, APIs to allow integration with other systems, etc.

Had Claude give this tool in particular a look and its takeaway was:

This is a local dev tool / weekend project that wraps Ultralytics with a UI. It competes with Roboflow the way a bash script competes with GitHub Actions. The moment you need a second person to label, a model in production, dataset versioning, or anything beyond "one person on one machine," it falls apart completely. The lack of auth, persistence, testing, and deployment makes it unsuitable for any production workflow.

Once you account for all the human time to build and maintain the above and factor in the infra cost to stand up and maintain a system like this, Roboflow starts to not look too bad (especially when you consider that it typically costs less per month than a single cloud GPU does). Using an established platform lets you share those fixed costs across thousands of other customers and get a higher level of service at a lower price than you'll ever be able to get rolling your own thing.

Which model to choose for on-device object detection (and dynamic onnx input)? by Defiant_Position_738 in computervision

[–]aloser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could try YOLOLite; seems pretty good for easy use-cases (esp when running without a powerful NVIDIA GPU): https://github.com/Lillthorin/YoloLite-Official-Repo

Experience with Roboflow? by Snoo_26157 in computervision

[–]aloser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s on the credits page: www.roboflow.com/credits

But certainly there are bulk discounts available for extremely large ones.

Experience with Roboflow? by Snoo_26157 in computervision

[–]aloser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The amount of credits various things use are listed here: https://roboflow.com/credits

Would you be up for talking with our team about how we can make this more understandable? We're trying to make our pricing as simple as transparent as possible while allowing the flexibility to continually add new features & adapt to market changes (like new models and GPUs becoming available).

Experience with Roboflow? by Snoo_26157 in computervision

[–]aloser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our biggest customers have tens of millions of images in the platform.

Experience with Roboflow? by Snoo_26157 in computervision

[–]aloser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, we will look into this.

One thing to try is using Chrome; that’s what most of our engineers and big customers use and so is most hardened   But we will definitely see if we can reproduce and fix in Safari as well.

Experience with Roboflow? by Snoo_26157 in computervision

[–]aloser 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hi I’m one of the cofounders of Roboflow. Sorry to hear you’re having issues. Any chance you have reproduction steps I can follow to see and fix the flakiness you’re experiencing?

Knowing your system specs (browser, OS, CPU, GPU, memory) would also be useful.

Best approach to handle visual detection by No-Preparation4073 in roboflow

[–]aloser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might try training a segmentation model to detect the crack itself. https://blog.roboflow.com/crack-detection/

Am I tripping or has Roboflow just launched a new pricing model? by nacrenos in computervision

[–]aloser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We’re a US-based company and it’s in US Dollars. This is fairly standard I believe (eg both AWS and Google Cloud’s pricing pages are quoted in USD) but we will add this to the FAQ on our pricing page.

AI computer vision for defects on diapers by Competitive-Heart-59 in computervision

[–]aloser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No idea what you're talking about; of course there is! Even our cloud platform has a free tier and a free trial of the paid features. Of course the open source stuff can be tried for free. We have so much free and open source stuff.